Who agrees with me that this should be the 2018 OL?

[njbuff]

It should be..................

 

LT Glenn

LG Incognito

 C Groy

RG 2018 draft pick (anywhere from rounds 2-5)

RT Dawkins

 

This sounds so simple that even a caveman can do it.

 

Wood isn't the same player any more and Groy deserves his shot to be a starter as he filled admirably for Wood at the end of 2016 when would was injured.

 

Vlad and Mills could be viable backups. They are not starter material and with them on the right side, it really derails what the team can do offensively.

 

Dawkins is one of the 5 best OLmen on the team easily and should be out there.

 

Glenn is a premier LT when healthy and this team should give him a chance to get healthy for 2018 to show what he can before trading him off.

 

There are some good G prospects in this draft and the Bills should/could be able to get a solid starter anywhere from rounds 2-5.

 

FA can help bring in a back up C. Wood needs to be released, as it saves the team a little cap room in the process with Wood's declining play.

 

What do you think?

[ndirish1978]

I'd prefer to draft a T early. Go with Dawkins and rookie at RT.

[Solomon Grundy]

6 minutes ago, njbuff said:

It should be..................

 

LT Glenn

LG Incognito

 C Groy

RG 2018 draft pick (anywhere from rounds 2-5)

RT Dawkins

 

This sounds so simple that even a caveman can do it.

 

Wood isn't the same player any more and Groy deserves his shot to be a starter as he filled admirably for Wood at the end of 2016 when would was injured.

 

Vlad and Mills could be viable backups. They are not starter material and with them on the right side, it really derails what the team can do offensively.

 

Dawkins is one of the 5 best OLmen on the team easily and should be out there.

 

Glenn is a premier LT when healthy and this team should give him a chance to get healthy for 2018 to show what he can before trading him off.

 

There are some good G prospects in this draft and the Bills should/could be able to get a solid starter anywhere from rounds 2-5.

 

FA can help bring in a back up C. Wood needs to be released, as it saves the team a little cap room in the process with Wood's declining play.

 

What do you think?

Why not John Miller at RG? I like everything else though. Should be starting line NOW.

[Rc2catch]

I agree Groy needs some playing time. I’m not the biggest Wood fan but the guy has the respect of the locker room and they just extended him didn’t they? I can maybe see someone taking his job but can’t see them releasing him outright for nothing 

[JimKellyTryouts]

Wood getting extended (Har Har) just throws a wrench in these plans.

 

I just don't get why we don't - at least - rotate Groy with Ducasse if Miller really is that bad now. 

[NewEra]

7 minutes ago, the skycap said:

Why not John Miller at RG? I like everything else though. Should be starting line NOW.

Why not?  Easy answer:  He is Vlad Ducasses backup.  

[Bangarang]

I don’t agree just yet. It’s far too early to talk specifics like this. A lot can happen in the off-season 

[NewEra]

I believe the reason Groy isn’t starting at guard is because he is the backup C.  If he and wood both go down, we don’t have a center.  Maybe that can change next year if we sign another center.  I’m happy with 3 starters, Glenn, Ritchie and Dawkins. Center play and RG need massive uprgrades.  What are the chances we take a tackle in the draft and kick Dawkins inside?  Didn’t he project as a guard?  Hopefully groy isn’t butthurt about never playing and wants to stick around after next season.  Ritchie will also be a FA.  Should be drafting 2 interior lineman and sign 1. 

[White Linen]

It's amazing to me how undervalued Wood is.  He's just barely over 300lbs and takes on monsters in the middle.  He's been relatively healthy playing in 117 games out of 141 including breaking his leg in his rookie year.  He's blocked for some atrocious QB play and been a part of many solid running teams often when running was what the defenses knew we had to do.

[BuffaloHokie13]

Dawkins, Incognito, Wood, Groy/Draft Pick, Draft Pick/FA/Connor McDermott

Edited December 13, 2017 by BuffaloHokie13

[hemma]

Miller has as ankle problem. 

Not sure if it is the same one as last year, but I doubt he'll be on the roster next year, let alone starting.  When you are the starter and then get set aside by a journeyman, your long term outlook with the team is not very good.

 

Glenn has now become a player you can't count on and I really don't see him being on the team next year.  Too much money for too little production.

 

As for Wood, it's hard to focus on one player very much, but I'm not sure why he is a persistent whipping boy. 

Of course, he'll get pounded this week as will about anyone that lines up across from Suh.

https://www.profootballfocus.com/nfl/players/eric-wood/4951

[SoTier]

32 minutes ago, Rc2catch said:

I agree Groy needs some playing time. I’m not the biggest Wood fan but the guy has the respect of the locker room and they just extended him didn’t they? I can maybe see someone taking his job but can’t see them releasing him outright for nothing 

 

Agree.     

 

Wood is a decent C so I wouldn't send him packing until the Bills have somebody better to replace him.  I'm not sure that's Groy, but they have bigger trouble spots on the OL than C. 

 

OT isn't a trouble spot at present either -- unless the Bills decide to listen to the ignorant fans who want Glenn traded because he was injured this season.  The Bills need to keep Glenn because there's no guarantee that Dawkins will continue to develop as a LT.  I believe he was drafted with the intention of playing him at RT anyways.  Most collegiate LTs don't have the quickness and agility to play LT in the pros, but they can make excellent RTs.

 

I think that the main focus on OL should G because that's where the Bills need an upgrade.  Incognito is 34, so a kid to replace him in the near future -- 2018 or 2019 -- seems almost a necessity ... except that the Bills need an upgrade at RG desperately.  At least one of the Bills picks in the first rounds needs to be used on somebody to put Vlad Ducasse on the bench permanently.  If Dennison were given his walking papers (along with his OL coach), then John Mills might become a useful RG again, but it doesn't look like he has a future with Dennison/Castro.

 

The Bills should probably take 2 OLers in 2018 ... definitely a prospect for RG within the first three rounds and either another G or a C prospect later in the draft.  Bringing in some UDFAs wouldn't be a bad idea either.  A new QB isn't going to have much success if he's running for his life instead of throwing the ball.

[RyanC883]

1 hour ago, Rc2catch said:

I agree Groy needs some playing time. I’m not the biggest Wood fan but the guy has the respect of the locker room and they just extended him didn’t they? I can maybe see someone taking his job but can’t see them releasing him outright for nothing 

 

any chance Wood would get moved to G?  I agree with you.  Releasing him could be a locker room issue.   I like an OT with one of our first picks if we don't grab a QB.  OT and DT

[OldTimeAFLGuy]

1 hour ago, njbuff said:

It should be..................

 

LT Glenn

LG Incognito

 C Groy

RG 2018 draft pick (anywhere from rounds 2-5)

RT Dawkins

 

This sounds so simple that even a caveman can do it.

 

Wood isn't the same player any more and Groy deserves his shot to be a starter as he filled admirably for Wood at the end of 2016 when would was injured.

 

Vlad and Mills could be viable backups. They are not starter material and with them on the right side, it really derails what the team can do offensively.

 

Dawkins is one of the 5 best OLmen on the team easily and should be out there.

 

Glenn is a premier LT when healthy and this team should give him a chance to get healthy for 2018 to show what he can before trading him off.

 

There are some good G prospects in this draft and the Bills should/could be able to get a solid starter anywhere from rounds 2-5.

 

FA can help bring in a back up C. Wood needs to be released, as it saves the team a little cap room in the process with Wood's declining play.

 

What do you think?

 

 

...pretty good core group....Wood would be a viable backup to Groy, but will be around 6 mil to do so....don't see Vlad on the roster......Mills needs work......go back to two veteran adages I've quoted numerous times, but I think they're still accurate....GM Marv went with the "older than dirt" philosophy of "building from the ball out"........only problem was he had "spoiled beef" with Dockery, Langston, etc.......Cowher said, "THE most important UNIT on a football team is the OL......if they break down, all else fails"......these guys become a UNIT by continuity and cohesiveness.....multiple changes bump you back to square one....a TOP priority is an OL Coach.....9-Juan-Juan Castillo needs to be on the next Greyhound out...

[Bills Fan of St Augustine]

I have been very critical of Wood for quite a while, since he and Levitre were brought in together. They both were manhandled by bigger stronger DTs which are what we've played against in the AFC East for a decade. For that reason, I was fine with letting Levitre go in FA. Recently, I started asking myself why I am so negative about Wood. I've concluded that as a LG in HS, I was always over matched playing at 185lbs and against guys 250 - 280. I couldn't move guys either but relied on quickness and leverage (low guys wins) to often fight to a stand still. When I got beat, usually from a bull rush, I would cut their legs out and jump up looking for them or another guy asap. I would never get pushed back into the QB! Cutting the legs in the NFL seems to be taboo unless you are a Patriot or Bronco OL. I wonder why that is? It can be very effective and slows down the rush on the next play. Anyway, I need to give the guy some slack and seeing him push cars after a game swings me over to keeping him around. I guess we need another center so Groy can play too but I find it unlikely they both get hurt on the same play. I like Glenn if he is healthy after the off season. Miller is a mystery but could rebound. Ducasse and Mills are awful and I fear RI is heading for the cliff.  I'd like to see two OL either in rounds 1-3 or a FA and one drafted.  Line play is critical to success at any level of football. 1st pick QB. No trade up, use our pick at 15-18 to take the best QB on the board. I think there will still be a top 5 QB and that the first 5 are all potentially franchise worthy. Time will tell!

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 hours ago, the skycap said:

Why not John Miller at RG? I like everything else though. Should be starting line NOW.

 

Problem: Glenn is milking a contract surfing the training table 

[Augie]

Counting on Cordy to be healthy seems like a bad plan at this point. His mysterious foot/ankle situation is mind boggling. It seems like he’s been day to day, week to week all season. Dawkins is encouraging, and much cheaper...not to mention available to actually play. I’m not a hater, but I’m frustrated for sure. 

[Magox]

2 hours ago, the skycap said:

Why not John Miller at RG? I like everything else though. Should be starting line NOW.

 

We started John Miller for a few games, and he has been much worse than Ducasse.  That's why

[hemma]

Glenn missed all of 5 games and most of a 6th last year.

This year, he's only played 275 (32.2%) of offensive snaps.

 

His cap hit next year will be $14.45 mill which will put him 3rd in the league (he's 2nd this year).

 

I was elated when he was drafted, but I can't see him being around another year.  Two bad feet sounds like it is more than a sprain.  Could even be gout (1 kidney/uric acid).

I guess even an injury settlement is possible, but one way or the other his production is not keeping up with his compensation.

 

Realistically, I think we are looking at Dawkins | Incognito | Wood | FA | Mills

[jrober38]

I don't see Cordy Glenn as a part of this team next year. 

[baskingridgebillsfan]

wood isn't going anywhere.  They will draft another tackle unless they think McDermott can handle it.  They kept him all season so they must like his upside 

[Da webster guy]

1 hour ago, Augie said:

Counting on Cordy to be healthy seems like a bad plan at this point. His mysterious foot/ankle situation is mind boggling. It seems like he’s been day to day, week to week all season. Dawkins is encouraging, and much cheaper...not to mention available to actually play. I’m not a hater, but I’m frustrated for sure. 

 

Yeah, Cordy's had some great games for us, and locking him up with a new deal made sense to me at the time, but he needs to show some serious offseason rehab and come back strong in training camp or he's a goner.   Hope we can find another Dawkins type talent in the next draft, he's going to be a pro bowler every year starting 2018 season.

[atlbillsfan1975]

For some reason the Bills can not find a RT. They need to draft a RT out of college to play RT.

i also think they need an Incognito replacement. Richie started to show his age this year. I don’t think he has a lot left. 

 

Trade Glenn for a second rounder . I hate saying this but if Glenn doesn’t want to be with the Bills get what you can for him. He is a UGA guy and I am a UGA fan. I loved it when he was drafter and think he is a very solid LT. This season has been so strange in regards to his injuries. I almost feel as if we don’t know he entire story. 

[keepthefaith]

I don't think the OP looked at the Carolina roster to see who we might get from them. 

[Formerly Allan in MD]

3 hours ago, OldTimeAFLGuy said:

 

 

...pretty good core group....Wood would be a viable backup to Groy, but will be around 6 mil to do so....don't see Vlad on the roster......Mills needs work......go back to two veteran adages I've quoted numerous times, but I think they're still accurate....GM Marv went with the "older than dirt" philosophy of "building from the ball out"........only problem was he had "spoiled beef" with Dockery, Langston, etc.......Cowher said, "THE most important UNIT on a football team is the OL......if they break down, all else fails"......these guys become a UNIT by continuity and cohesiveness.....multiple changes bump you back to square one....a TOP priority is an OL Coach.....9-Juan-Juan Castillo needs to be on the next Greyhound out...

Mills needs work?  Hopefully in another city that values turnstiles.

[Dadonkadonk]

Just curious why Richie is on everyone's list as an absolute.  He has been average this year.  Would be difficult to replace both guards but I would not be shocked if Richie is a salary cap cut. 

A new RG will make Wood look much better.  

I hope there is a way Glenn can get and stay healthy.  We have no idea if Dawkins can play RT as he could not beat out Mills.  

 

If they keep Incognito then I would approach the off-season like this

If Glenn is healthy, then sign a FA RG , add a late round C/G, and use most early draft picks on QB, DL and LB

If Glenn is cut, then take a first round OT, sign a middle of the road RG(still an upgrade over Ducasse), and use the remaining picks on DL, QB, and LB.

 

All that said, I agree the most likely scenario for 2018: Glenn, Incognito, Wood, FA, Dawkins

 

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

At this point, might as well just let Dawkins be the LT. See if you can’t get a 3rd or 2nd for Glenn around draft day. Lots of teams would love to have a solid, proven LT.

[billsfan89]

I would consider Groy at RG or Eric Wood at RG and then drafting a guard in rounds 3-5 to understudy for a year or two to take over for IcCog or at RG. I think it is a lot to ask for a rookie to start at guard. It's one thing if a veteran underperforms and a rookie performs well and takes over a position. But it is a bad idea to burn a high draft choice at a position that has been a bit of a crap shoot in the draft lately. I would rather shuffle around the veterans that already exist on the roster. Then draft younger players behind them as immediate depth and to take over for veterans after riding the bench for a year or two where they can polish up their skills a bit before being asked to start. 

 

I also think that the draft picks in the first two rounds would be better served at other positions along the roster. CB, DT, LB, WR, TE, and DE are all possible pressing needs along the roster that the team's premium picks could be better served filling. 

31 minutes ago, Dadonkadonk said:

Just curious why Richie is on everyone's list as an absolute.  He has been average this year.  Would be difficult to replace both guards but I would not be shocked if Richie is a salary cap cut. 

A new RG will make Wood look much better.  

I hope there is a way Glenn can get and stay healthy.  We have no idea if Dawkins can play RT as he could not beat out Mills.  

 

If they keep Incognito then I would approach the off-season like this

If Glenn is healthy, then sign a FA RG , add a late round C/G, and use most early draft picks on QB, DL and LB

If Glenn is cut, then take a first round OT, sign a middle of the road RG(still an upgrade over Ducasse), and use the remaining picks on DL, QB, and LB.

 

All that said, I agree the most likely scenario for 2018: Glenn, Incognito, Wood, FA, Dawkins

 

 

I think InCog is not the pro-bowl level player he has been the past two seasons. But he certainly still is a capable player and I think that his positive influence in the locker room is also a plus. I think fans feel as though InCog could have one more capable year in him and hold down that positon while a player is drafted in the mid to late rounds behind him. 

[Thurman#1]

8 hours ago, njbuff said:

It should be..................

 

LT Glenn

LG Incognito

 C Groy

RG 2018 draft pick (anywhere from rounds 2-5)

RT Dawkins

 

This sounds so simple that even a caveman can do it.

 

Wood isn't the same player any more and Groy deserves his shot to be a starter as he filled admirably for Wood at the end of 2016 when would was injured.

 

Vlad and Mills could be viable backups. They are not starter material and with them on the right side, it really derails what the team can do offensively.

 

Dawkins is one of the 5 best OLmen on the team easily and should be out there.

 

Glenn is a premier LT when healthy and this team should give him a chance to get healthy for 2018 to show what he can before trading him off.

 

There are some good G prospects in this draft and the Bills should/could be able to get a solid starter anywhere from rounds 2-5.

 

FA can help bring in a back up C. Wood needs to be released, as it saves the team a little cap room in the process with Wood's declining play.

 

What do you think?

 

 

 

Like it except your problems with Wood. He's still playing very well, IMHO. I keep hoping they put Groy at RG but for some reason they're resisting that. Maybe he doesn't resemble their vision for an RG?

 

I agree that I hope they keep Cordy and that Dawkins will play as well at RT as he has at LT.

[Victory Formation]

I'd like Glenn, Dawkins and Groy to start. All this nonsense about getting rid of Glenn needs to stop. When we draft a QB next year, Glenn and Dawkins will stop our QB from getting killed.

[GunnerBill]

Depends what they think of Glenn's health.  For me Dawkins is NOT a right tackle.  He is naturally much more comfortable with left sided movements.  I think he has much more T/G versatility than L/R versatility. So slide him in at LG as Richie's long term successor and move Richie to the right (where he has played before) for his final season here.  So for me If Glenn is healthy I'd go:

 

LT - Glenn

LG - Dawkins

C - Groy

RG - Incognito

RT - ??

[sjjr]

A guy like Braden Smith (Auburn) or Tyrell Crosby (Oregon) would fit in great as starters right away.

Other guys like A.Corbett (Nevada), C.Gossett (App St) and S.Welsh (Iowa) would be other guys who could add depth and develop on the interior line too.

Incognito is not young, Wood is average and Ducasse/Mills is not working.

Dawkins is the LT of the future.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

If you MUST keep Glenn move him to rt. Keep dion at lt 

[Victory Formation]

1 hour ago, GunnerBill said:

Depends what they think of Glenn's health.  For me Dawkins is NOT a right tackle.  He is naturally much more comfortable with left sided movements.  I think he has much more T/G versatility than L/R versatility. So slide him in at LG as Richie's long term successor and move Richie to the right (where he has played before) for his final season here.  So for me If Glenn is healthy I'd go:

 

LT - Glenn

LG - Dawkins

C - Groy

RG - Incognito

RT - ??

Interesting perspective.

[Nuncha]

I don't see a spot for Henderson...lol 

 

Why the hell is he on this team still?  

 

I think they need to move on from Glenn.  He is out way too much.  Dawkins is the future LT.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Azucho98

[H2o]

We'll have to see what Richie is gonna do, but I would flip Dawkins and Glenn. Dawkins at LT and Glenn at RT. After that we definitely need a RG to replace Ducasse. 

[GunnerBill]

I am not willing to anoint Dawkins as the LT of the future yet. He has improved on a good curve for a first year player.... but at the moment I still think Glenn when healthy is a top 3 player on this team.  

[Royale with Cheese]

If Groy is our starting center, then Wood is our starting RG.  Wood was just extended.

[BuffaloHokie13]

4 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Depends what they think of Glenn's health.  For me Dawkins is NOT a right tackle.  He is naturally much more comfortable with left sided movements.  I think he has much more T/G versatility than L/R versatility. So slide him in at LG as Richie's long term successor and move Richie to the right (where he has played before) for his final season here.  So for me If Glenn is healthy I'd go:

 

LT - Glenn

LG - Dawkins

C - Groy

RG - Incognito

RT - Connor McDermott

They're holding onto him for a reason. Give him a full offseason with us and I think he takes it.

[GunnerBill]

13 minutes ago, BuffaloHokie13 said:

They're holding onto him for a reason. Give him a full offseason with us and I think he takes it.

 

I can absolutely see that Hokie.  I think he fits the mould of what they want. His feet concerned me coming out but he has some of the physical tools, no doubt about it.