Ramza86 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 If we currently have the space...I wouldnt mind paying top dollar for a quality QB. It allows us to use our stockpiled draft picks on players. If you could have an Eli Manning/Kirk Cousins for 3 years at a premium and keep our high picks (Rookie wages to keep cap in good shape.) Or do you give up your draft for a QB and look for FA finds? What say you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I really want Mayfield but don’t want to trade up to get him. So I’d be ok with getting an Eli Manning, Alex Smith type vet and keeping our picks and hopefully getting Mayfield. But if he falls is the question. Even still, they probably have a QB in mind that would be there where they draft. Do that if you like a guy there. If not, use the picks on getting the O and D Lines right. Another WR. And some nfl caliber LBs. Have Eli or Smith for 1-2 years and groom your rookie. If one starts to decline or gets hurt, it’s time for the Rook. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Cousins has a career record of 24-29-1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Both wasn't an option, but thats the route i would go. Bring in a Bradford, McCown, Keenum, Smith (probably not a Cousins, that pricetags very high) - and then draft a guy. Philly basically already did this with bradford, because you have to sign a free agent first since the draft is so much later. They ended up recouping a 1st for Bradford, which I don't think we would be able to do - but it'd be a much better QB room than we've had in a very long time. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 6 minutes ago, jr1 said: Cousins has a career record of 24-29-1 what is brees record over the last few years? need a team around the guy to succeed. if we can get him for nothing or very little. then surround with a draft class like last year we will be on our way to long success Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ramza86 said: If we currently have the space...I wouldnt mind paying top dollar for a quality QB. It allows us to use our stockpiled draft picks on players. If you could have an Eli Manning/Kirk Cousins for 3 years at a premium and keep our high picks (Rookie wages to keep cap in good shape.) Or do you give up your draft for a QB and look for FA finds? What say you I don’t believe that Eli has 3 years left in him , I like Kirk Cousins but let me ask you this - if you had to pick the top 10 QB’s would he make that list ? What we do know is that who ever will consider to sign him will have to make him the highest paid QB in the league , i think drafting a QB is the way to go , now are we willing to move up and give up the farm for a top 5 pick ? Or maybe we can still get one in the middle of the first round , 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Woodman19 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I don't care how, I just want a good QB. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 16 minutes ago, aristocrat said: what is brees record over the last few years? need a team around the guy to succeed. if we can get him for nothing or very little. then surround with a draft class like last year we will be on our way to long success Nothing or very little ??? He will be asking for anywhere between 25-30 million a year , Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 minute ago, Putin said: Nothing or very little ??? He will be asking for anywhere between 25-30 million a year , i mean trading for his rights. he's a ufa but if they tag him we'd have to trade for him i believe. i'd absolutely make a move for him. the problem we have is that the draft is after free agency so we need to sign a qb in free agency if we aren't able to get a guy for next year in the draft. if we sign cousins we have a whole bunch of picks to fill out the roster Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 We draft a QB.... and we move up to do so. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Trade up for Sam Darnold. If we can somehow trade our 2 first round picks for a top 6 pick and get Sam Darnold that would be perfect. I hope this happens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Personally, if we could land Cousins, I'd sign him and keep the picks especially if both Buffalo and Kansas City end up with picks in the lower half of the 1st round. The cost of moving up would be steep and personally I would rather have a QB (I consider Cousins a franchise QB watching him here in VA all the time) and 4 (4 picks in the 1st 2 rounds) more players. Given Buffalo's current picks, they could package their 2 -1sts and 2 2nds to move up (using the trade value chart) to the 3rd pick w/SF, and their would likely be 2 QB's off the board already, so they would be getting their 3rd choice likely... IMO: Cousins + 4 picks in the top 64 > 3rd Choice of QB in draft. or Cousins + 4 picks in the top 64 > 4/5/6th QB choice at 18 and 3 more picks in the top 64 or any other combination or moving up and losing picks. However, I dont see us landing Cousins so.... Edited December 12, 2017 by P51 (4 picks in the 1st 2 rounds) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Gal Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 37 minutes ago, dneveu said: Both wasn't an option, but thats the route i would go. Bring in a Bradford, McCown, Keenum, Smith (probably not a Cousins, that pricetags very high) - and then draft a guy. Philly basically already did this with bradford, because you have to sign a free agent first since the draft is so much later. They ended up recouping a 1st for Bradford, which I don't think we would be able to do - but it'd be a much better QB room than we've had in a very long time. Yeah, both would have been my vote too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTheTrust Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) Trade for the better draft pick to get one. Yes, it would be wonderful to have all our picks to fill holes immediately. However, the Rams and Eagles both show that if you have a little patience, you can get your guy by seemingly trading too much, and still build your pieces and contend very quickly. 2 examples slapping us in the face head to head this past week. It's a no brainer. Couple that with Beane's quote about the first thing a GM needs to do is get his QB to build upon, and it's not a mystery. Edited December 12, 2017 by ProcessTheTrust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FearLess Price Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Draft one to be the franchise qb. Since FA comes 1st youre gonna have to sign a qb to bridge to the rookie anyway. Just dont wanna use cap room to bring in a cousins type qb. There cheaper options with similar win loss records Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Draft if you want to address the issue once and for all. You can get "good" with Cousins but you can possibly be great with your draft pick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Real McClappy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) We should not throw a rookie QB to the wolves as a day1 starter IMO and break him if we go this route. If not Tyrod, who is the best bridge QB for a year that the rookie can learn or develop behind? Tyrod McCarron Bradford Bridgewater Cutler Smith other? I'd be tempted to go Bradford personally if the dude could stay healthy. Just not sure that is possible? Edited December 12, 2017 by Real McCoy 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yungmack Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, Ramza86 said: If we currently have the space...I wouldnt mind paying top dollar for a quality QB. It allows us to use our stockpiled draft picks on players. If you could have an Eli Manning/Kirk Cousins for 3 years at a premium and keep our high picks (Rookie wages to keep cap in good shape.) Or do you give up your draft for a QB and look for FA finds? What say you I would support adding a legit franchise QB. Unfortunately, your 2 examples aren't. Eli is a declining mediocrity and Cousins is a "never will be" tease like Cutler. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodneykm Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Real McCoy said: We should not throw a rookie QB to the wolves as a day1 starter IMO and break him if we go this route. If not Tyrod, who is the best bridge QB for a year that the rookie can learn or develop behind? Tyrod McCarron Bradford Bridgewater Cutler other? I'd be tempted to go Bradford personally if the dude could stay healthy. Just not sure that is possible? Tyrod will want to get out of here as fast as he can. Bradford worries me with injuries, but he's very good when healthy. I'd take a chance if he'd come here. AJ McCarron would be interesting. I have always been a fan and think he'd be a decent stop gap guy. No thanks on Teddy. I am not sold he'll ever fully recover...and even if he did I do not think he was ever a top level guy. Cutler will retire. Alex Smith / Kirk Cousins for me. Draft your replacement to sit on the bench and LEARN for at least 1 year. Edited December 12, 2017 by rodneykm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDIGGZ Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 YES and YES. add a veteran and draft a 1st round QB 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lfod Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 (edited) I'm all for whatever would work. It is my opinion that we need to be able to develop our own QB. I'm open minded and will give the benefit of the doubt until it doesn't work. I want this organization to learn how to draft and develop a QB. I'm skeptical of taking some one else's cast off and making it a success. In the end I am neutral and just say do whatever it takes. Edited December 12, 2017 by Lfod Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nihilarian Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 If you spend the draft picks to get one of the top QB's you had better have someone who can develop him into an elite franchise QB and also upgrade the line to protect him. Jim Kelly had Ted Marchibroda who taught him the playbook and also taught him to call all his own plays. Over the years the Bills haven't had either the QB or a man to develop him properly. Much less a decent Oline to help them develop as JP was always seeing/hearing phantom sackers after getting pounded on so often and Trent was concussed out of the NFL. Then considering this team passed on Deshawn Watson, I'm not so sure they can even properly evaluate a college QB as to who to select. It's for certain this team needs more than a game manager like Tyrod or even a more advanced version much like Alex Smith. Jim Kelly was a gunslinger but he also had a very solid team around him, line, receivers, coaches. He also had Thurman Thomas to hand the ball off to who was 60-70% of the offense. Be nice to see this team finally find the next Kelly. They already have the RB in Shady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Draft. Real legit QBs almost never change teams, so if you go FA you get a midrange starter at best, but pay him like the best ever (literally, any decent qb hits the market will be highest paid ever). Draft a guy, he may bust... But will be cheap, and there is a chance at him being a true "franchise QB", meaning an elite, 10 year starter that is capable of getting you a ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I think we draft the QB we want and also bring in a veteran bridge QB for a couple of years while the rookie is developing. Doubt McDermott wants another 5 pick game next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
corta765 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 DRAFT by a mile. If you hit on a QB drafted you get a nice period where they are paid far below market value which you can use to build quickly a strong roster. Second a young QB is far more moldable then a guy who has seasoning already. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay_Fixit Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, jr1 said: Cousins has a career record of 24-29-1 The Redskins have a record of 24-29-1 in Cousins starts. QB winz. Lol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrober38 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Good QBs don't come from the Free Agent Market. We need to draft and develop our own guy. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 1 hour ago, ddaryl said: We draft a QB.... and we move up to do so. I think this is what will happen -- and what should happen. I'd like to have a shot at Rosen or Darnold, but I think we'll be aiming for third choice. Mayfield, Jackson, Allen, Rudolph is my current order 3 - 6. I see more Brees than Manziel in Mayfield, despite the immaturity which I think he'll grow out of. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KGun12TD Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Give all of our picks (A La Ditka) to Green Bay for Rodgers and call it a day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Gimme Cousins and ALL dose picks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerJ Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I'm leery of the cap commitment it would take to land Cousins if he hits free agency. If Washington attempts a tag and trade, it's even worse. I'd tend to go the draft route. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 2 hours ago, jr1 said: Cousins has a career record of 24-29-1 What team did he pitch for again? Could have sworn football is a team sport. Pinning wins/loses solely on a QB is beyond the most useless stat in sports. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastcoastlegacy Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 These are estimates. Right now, looking at standings our 1st from KC is 16 (1000pts), our pick is 20 (850pts). Our second round picks will be worth about 420 and 380. The list of teams ahead of us: 1. (3000pts) Browns: QB is very likely (new GM, Kizer underwhelming) 2. (2600pts) Giants: QB is very likely 3. (2200pts) 49ers: QB is possible (but less likely due to Jimmy) 5. (1700pts) Broncos: QB is possible (no sign they are sold on Lynch) 9. (1350pts) Redskins: QB is necessary if they lose Cousins 10. (1300) Jets: quite probable 11. (1250) Bengals: possible A move up to 3rd or 4th pick would require both firsts, and a second. and that gets you the third QB off the board. Is anyone here sold on the idea that the third selected QB in the draft is worth 2 first round picks and 1 or 2 second round picks? Is one first and one second round pick worth trading for the 4th choice of QB in the draft? 2017: 3rd qb: Mahomes, 4th QB: kizer 2016: 3rd qb: Paxton Lynch, 4th: Connor Cook 2015: 3rd qb: Bryce Petty, 4th: Garret Grayson And yes, I know there are better QBs in the 2017, 16, 15 drafts than those listed above, but they were taken later and wouldn't need to be acquired by a trade-up. I'm not sure selling the farm for 3rd choice is the way to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 Draft. No question. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P51 Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 40 minutes ago, Eastcoastlegacy said: I'm not sure selling the farm for 3rd choice is the way to go. I agree, the only way it is if the 3rd QB in Big Ben elite level. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ol Dirty B Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, aristocrat said: what is brees record over the last few years? need a team around the guy to succeed. if we can get him for nothing or very little. then surround with a draft class like last year we will be on our way to long success He's not as good as Brees, never was. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 9 minutes ago, Ol Dirty B said: He's not as good as Brees, never was. so? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 4 hours ago, jr1 said: Cousins has a career record of 24-29-1 Do you consider W-L record a fair yardstick for QB talent? Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I absolutely would draft one.....we can also sign free agents to fill holes as well with the money that we are NOT paying at the QB position. This is the yar to draft a qb 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hapless Bills Fan Posted December 12, 2017 Share Posted December 12, 2017 I'd like to put it out there as "crazy talk" that the best answer might be....do both! I thought the Eagles were pretty nuts when they traded for Sam Bradford while they had Nick Foles. I thought StL got the better end of that swap. I thought they were even nuttier when, having traded for Sam Bradford, they signed him to an extension - THEN traded up for Wentz. But how do they look now? They got a 1st and 4th round pick for Bradford. Wentz has been playing well. And they were able to resign Foles as a capable backup. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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