Virgil Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 The only defenses that seems to slow down the pats are with physical man coverage and front 4 pressure. Our defense is mainly going to be cover 3 with zone. It's a pressure based, let them beat you in spots kind of defense. Doesn't that fall right into the Patriots hands. They want the short, quick routes. They want to find space. They want to run free off the line. I know the Pats tear up pretty much all defenses, but I feel like we are just starting with a losing plan against a team that needs to be overcome to get us over the hump. Yes, we can adjust our defense in the moment and it's only one team. I get it. The sky isn't falling. This is just a conversation that I'm surprised hasn't been talked about much yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill_with_it Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 The only defenses that seems to slow down the pats are with physical man coverage and front 4 pressure. Our defense is mainly going to be cover 3 with zone. It's a pressure based, let them beat you in spots kind of defense. Doesn't that fall right into the Patriots hands. They want the short, quick routes. They want to find space. They want to run free off the line. I know the Pats tear up pretty much all defenses, but I feel like we are just starting with a losing plan against a team that needs to be overcome to get us over the hump. Yes, we can adjust our defense in the moment and it's only one team. I get it. The sky isn't falling. This is just a conversation that I'm surprised hasn't been talked about much yet. The patriots are yearly favorites gor the superbowl. You expect s first year hc, with a brand new defensive scheme, with brand new players, to coming and stop the patriots twice the first year? Look I would be happy for that just as snyone would be, but first let him get the team through otas, tc, finsl roster, preseason, along with tweaking the scheme before we worry about anyone let alone the Super Boel odds on favs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mead107 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I think we need to see a few games before we get are panties in a not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I'm sure the Pats will stop shaking in their cleats and prep for whatever big scheme that gets put out there against them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I hope the Bills don't share the same whipped puppy attitude their fans seem to have. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpberr Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I expect early success, yes. The Pats have very little business intelligence on McDermott at this point and that's their bread and butter. If you want to know just how good they are at it, the second half of the last Super Bowl tells you. They had years of experience playing Rex Ryan. Rex never changed his scheme so it wasn't too hard to figure out. McDermott will be more of a challenge, at least at the outset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
klos63 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Haven't given it a thought at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kota Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 What defense don't the Patriots score on? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I hope the Bills don't share the same whipped puppy attitude their fans seem to have. 👆 💯📢 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KOKBILLS Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Nervous? No... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I guess we'll find out how smart McD is. No one has yet shown any consistency in outsmarting Belichick, Brady and the Pats. It'll be interesting to see what approach McD tries. Nervous? No. Healthy respect for the Pats? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ajmac Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) I get your concern. I am guessing from what he has done in the past, he will design a defense to bend but not break and look to attack certain matchups with over under coverage hoping to create turnovers. There is no stopping the Pats, but making a turn over and then doing our best to not just keep the ball away from them with our run offense, but make sure we punch the ball in the end zone when we get the opportunity will be the winning formula. Reeally, that will be the formula for all teams though! I am looking forward to see how McD coaches up this team and his in game adjustments. That will be key to having success moving forward and competing with elite teams in the league. Players give you a chance to win, but coaching can make the difference in the win and loss column in the end. Edited April 3, 2017 by ajmac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 No one is going to slow down the patties if and when they get AP. Maybe the seahawks might. since they have history of doing so. they are going to run over everyone. they are blitzkrieg. a war machine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan4 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 No, I'm not nervous. I am actually hopeful, more than anything. We've seen Brady pick apart the Bills D on many occasions. Brady put up what, like 5 or 600 passing yards(?) in a single game on Rex Ryan's defensive scheme. I figure it can't get all that much worse than that, right...? (knock on wood). Hopefully McDermott will be able to do better, even if it doesn't happen immediately. I know he will put everything he has into getting it figured out, and I can't ask for much more than that at this point. I also think/hope that he's the type of coach who will learn from his mistakes and adjust. So I'm willing to give him some time to get it figured out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jr1 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 pull the hotel fire alarm if you're nervous Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilcoam Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Not nervous in the least about HC Sean's scheme My biggest concern is do have the talent on the field jc Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 No more nervous than with any of the other 15 or so different schemes that they've tried and failed with vs Pats They need to worry about scoring more points instead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 pull the hotel fire alarm if you're nervous at this rate, you would have to pull it at the top of every morning hour. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r00tabaga Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 The Patriots* are gonna make everyone nervous this year. Good post though. I'm sure that the Giants had a script similar to what we have now, and it worked well for them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo Barbarian Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 The only defenses that seems to slow down the pats are with physical man coverage and front 4 pressure. Our defense is mainly going to be cover 3 with zone. It's a pressure based, let them beat you in spots kind of defense. Doesn't that fall right into the Patriots hands. They want the short, quick routes. They want to find space. They want to run free off the line. I know the Pats tear up pretty much all defenses, but I feel like we are just starting with a losing plan against a team that needs to be overcome to get us over the hump. Yes, we can adjust our defense in the moment and it's only one team. I get it. The sky isn't falling. This is just a conversation that I'm surprised hasn't been talked about much yet. I'm concerned because Brady does kill zones but hopefully we can find a way to beat them. It's not like any other defense has worked against him either. This is why I think we go front four because we have to get pressure up front or otherwise we are in for a long season regardless of philosophy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TPS Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I believe McDermott is 1-0 vs the Pats as a D coordinator, so he obviously has Brady and Belichick's numbers... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
D. L. Hot-Flamethrower Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 IMO they should draft the best weapons they can (Davis, Howard, Williams, Z. Jones etc.), get 2 more receiving weapons. And, shore up the offensive line (RT). You need to be able to possess the ball and finish drives to have a chance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChan Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) No more nervous than with any of the other 15 or so different schemes that they've tried and failed with vs Pats They need to worry about scoring more points instead This. The only way to beat Brady is to get a lead and keep the ball out of his hands. Long drives that end in points, with a strong D that makes key stops. Brady is still gonna get his 270 and 2 TD's no matter what. But bottom line is that it's too much to expect the Bills to be responsible for 2 of the 2-3 losses they have all year. We just have to go 10-4 against the rest of the the schedule to get to the dance. Period. Edited April 3, 2017 by FireChan Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 No more nervous than with any of the other 15 or so different schemes that they've tried and failed with vs Pats They need to worry about scoring more points instead pretty much this. do their best to slow the pats down, maybe get lucky on a dropped pass or two, keep the pressure up on the other side of the ball, long drives, and try to take the game into the 4th quarter. I think McD is going to play generally conservative ball but use the talent we have, and like someone else said, cant make any worse a show than sexy rexy did against the pats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elite Poster Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 His defense didn't stop much of anyone last year because he didn't have all pros at all 3 levels anymore, only 2. I believe McDermott is 1-0 vs the Pats as a D coordinator, so he obviously has Brady and Belichick's numbers... Did Cam Newton come with the hire? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
row_33 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Half the fanbase can tell us the D that ruins the Pats easypeasy. I'm in the other half that believes they will adjust to whatever the other team is using, usually with an audible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 McDermott's not here to kiss Belichicks rings...or is he? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I do expect 1 S and 1-2 CBs in the draft, so that could help. If we came away with Lattimore, Melifonwu, and Langley, then I'd be pretty pumped about our secondary and D in general. No more out-scheming BB. 11 across from 11 and play ball. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 It's how you execute the scheme and not about what scheme is being run. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffismagic Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Not worried at all. Leslie Frazier is calling the defense. I am sure he has never done worse than Rex... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aristocrat Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Still have the big pass rush. Get after Brady and use the run game to keep him off the field and keep total points under about 45 to have a shot. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quinnearlysghost88 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Contrary to what every Bills fan assumes, next season's schedule isn't:@Patriots vs Patriots vs Patriots @Patriots @Patriots@Patriots vs Patriots vs Patriots vs Patriots @Patriots vs Patriots vs Patriots @ Patriots vs Patriots @ Patriots @ Patriots Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I'm concerned because Brady does kill zones but hopefully we can find a way to beat them. It's not like any other defense has worked against him either. This is why I think we go front four because we have to get pressure up front or otherwise we are in for a long season regardless of philosophy. Our defense is we line up on the line of scrimmage and wipe out every Patriot receiver. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Original Byrd Man Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 The thought did cross my mind, but I will take a wait and see attitude. It will be interesting to see how things evolve. Looking forward to the draft and the season opener. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 (edited) I think that Virgil's concerns are warranted. Maybe it won't come into play too much this year but if the Bills start to close the gap or are competing for a WC spot it may be a factor. We probably need to split with the Pats to have a shot at a WC berth. This isn't necessarily about the Bills surpassing the Pats but more about trying to steal a game from them. Edited April 3, 2017 by Kirby Jackson Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BmarvB Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 Not worried. Front line will bring enough pressure to slow down (but not stop) Brady & Co. That's all you can ask from them. Coverage should hold up well enough with the heat coming from up front. I wouldn't go into worry mode this early. Let's see what we're working with after 8 games first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 No. The Bills haven't managed to slow down the Pats with any of their schemes in the last 15 years. The Pats only lose to top Defenses. The Bills don't have elite personnel to run any scheme right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebandit27 Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 It's a concern, but remember that just because it's a cover-3 zone (or any other kind of zone) doesn't mean that it's off-coverage all the time. In fact, C-3 and other zone schemes often require their corners to play press/trail technique against shiftier guys. My guess is that--against teams like NE, the plan for McDermott's D will be to bump as much as possible in the short zones to disrupt timing and generate pressure up the middle with Dareus/Kyle/Shaq (who will probably play a decent amount of 3/4i those games). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 You're not going to beat Brady with scheme, anyhow. The key to beating the Patriots is winning individual battles, particularly along the defensive line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhoTom Posted April 3, 2017 Share Posted April 3, 2017 I was more concerned about what Rex would change on our defensive scheme. As it turned out, my concerns were valid. With that said, I feel more optimistic this year. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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