Worst off-season ever

[The Big Cat]

 

I was thinking about it, but didn't want to be comical. They waived him the other day, so no big loss.

 

 

Best defensive player on the team with a 100M contract who was arrested in 2014 for possession, now on his second suspension, has crashed his car into a restaurant, and benched by a previous HC. Nice attempt at deflection.

 

The guy's had a myriad of personal tragedies and for that he should be commended on handling it in stride. He's just not improving off the field, which hampers his on the field production.

 

zero attempt at deflection

 

you're the one that listed the man's transgressions. a pattern of behavior that predates rex significantly. you also failed to mention the suspicious party he attended when he was a senior in college, six years before rex took over as head coach of the bills.

 

so, while i may have whiffed at injecting some levity into this (cosmically) meaningless situation, the attempts at pinning marcel's history of poor decisions on the current head coach is !@#$ing laughable.

 

i doubt more than two or three members of to this board can begin to fathom what the man has been through in his life. he has experienced repeated trauma and as a predictable consequence he struggles with maturity and decision making.

 

it has virtually nothing to do with rex !@#$ing ryan

[BuffaloBillsMagic1]

Rex assembles questionable character guys the wonders why his team's self destruct every year. Any surprise we get a thousand penslties in our opening pre-season game?Rex never learns.

[The Big Cat]

Rex assembles questionable character guys the wonders why his team's self destruct every year. Any surprise we get a thousand penslties in our opening pre-season game?Rex never learns.

 

um.

 

rex wasn't the coach when they drafted dareus nor when they signed manny lawson.

[johnwalter]

nah that niners offseason 2 or 3 years ago was insane.

[Peter]

Rex assembles questionable character guys the wonders why his team's self destruct every year. Any surprise we get a thousand penslties in our opening pre-season game?Rex never learns.

You do realize that Marcell was drafter years before Rex even became the Bills HC?!?

 

Don't let that stop the crusade though.

[White Linen]

 

 

Although we disagree on pot, which ruins many a life, I agree that domestic violence needs focus by the NFL.

 

I think head coaches should prevent domestic violence.

[Mike in Horseheads]

 

um.

 

rex wasn't the coach when they drafted dareus nor when they signed manny lawson.

I'm with you, SMFH at some of these people, unreal.

[White Linen]

 

zero attempt at deflection

 

you're the one that listed the man's transgressions. a pattern of behavior that predates rex significantly. you also failed to mention the suspicious party he attended when he was a senior in college, six years before rex took over as head coach of the bills.

 

so, while i may have whiffed at injecting some levity into this (cosmically) meaningless situation, the attempts at pinning marcel's history of poor decisions on the current head coach is !@#$ing laughable.

 

i doubt more than two or three members of to this board can begin to fathom what the man has been through in his life. he has experienced repeated trauma and as a predictable consequence he struggles with maturity and decision making.

 

it has virtually nothing to do with rex !@#$ing ryan

 

You sir, are on your game tonight. Excellent post.

[BuffaloBillsForever]

In the span of 3 months, this happened:

 

1. May: 1st round pick Shaq Lawson, whose shoulder removed him from other teams' boards suffers a shoulder injury during a non-contact drill. He undergoes surgery and will not be able to play until Week 8.

 

2. May: The same day Lawson's injury is announced, it is revealed Sammy Watkins had foot surgery a month previous and is uncertain for training camp.

 

3. May: The Bills media policy is made known and widely panned for preventing any record of what players do in practice. Later, the policy is walked back.

 

4. May: GM Doug Whaley tells WGR 550 radio that football is "a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play." The team is forced to issue a clarification the following day.

 

5. July: Karlos Williams shows up 20+ pounds overweight and later is suspended 4 games for a violation of the league's substance abuse policy.

 

6. July: Jonathan Williams, a 2016 5th round pick is arrested for DWI in Arkansas.

 

7. July: Manny Lawson is injured while working out and misses the beginning of training camp.

 

8. August: Reggie Ragland, a 2nd round pick the team depended on as an immediate starter, suffers a knee injury and will miss the 2016 season.

 

9. August: Cordy Glenn suffers a high ankle sprain and will miss the entire pre-season. Expected to be available for week 1.

 

10. August: Manny Lawson is suspended 1 game for a violation of the league's domestic violence policy.

 

11. August: Marcell Dareus suspended 4 games for a violation of the league's substance abuse policy.

 

 

I didn't include McCoy's fight with off-duty cops in Philadelphia, but considered it (EDIT:) because he was not charged.

 

Whaley is a top 5 GM.

 

Pegula is one of the best owners in football.

 

and

 

Russ Brandon is a genius.

[Mike in Horseheads]

 

I think head coaches should prevent domestic violence.

I hope your not serious because if you are thats absolutely ridiculous. Does your boss come home with you and make sure your not smoked up, drunk and throwing your women around? If not Shhhsh

[The Big Cat]

 

You sir, are on your game tonight. Excellent post.

 

the outrageous lack of perspective of some people here is borderline terrifying

[Nihilarian]

I'm not sure this is the worst offseason, even in recent memory. You have to consider 2009, when we fired our OC a week before the season, or who could forget 2014, when the brass finally realized we had no QB a few days before the first game.

yea, 2009 when Jauron fired Turk Schonert and then promoted AVP from QB coach to OC. It was like the blind leading the blind leading the blind....all towards a cliff in running that Mike Martz deep passing attack with a WC QB.

 

Let's not forget that Jauron had decided the team would run the "hurry up" / no huddle offense in the offseason and when the RT couldn't get to the line fast enough during pre-season to run it effectively. Jauron then outright cut the starting RT with the season about to start. Not to mention that the team scrapped that "hurry up" / no huddle offense after two weeks in the regular season. This was the same year the team thought Demetress Bell would be an adequate LT (a 7th round pick) and Kirk Chambers would be good at RT (a Cleveland Brown 6th round pick)!

 

If I didn't know better it sure looked like Dick Jauron submarined his own team in order to get fired in Buffalo. Is it any wonder why JP and Trent Edwards failed after being coached by jamokes year after year.

 

 

 

The good news is at least now the Bills have a legit NFL OC to coach the offense and young QB's.

Edited August 16, 2016 by Nihilarian

[Mike in Horseheads]

yea, 2009 when Jauron fired Turk Schonert and then promoted AVP from QB coach to OC. It was like the blind leading the blind leading the blind....all towards a cliff in running that Mike Martz deep passing attack with a WC QB.

 

Let's not forget that Jauron had decided the team would run the "hurry up" / no huddle offense in the offseason and when the RT couldn't get to the line fast enough during pre-season to run it effectively. Jauron then outright cut the starting RT with the season about to start. Not to mention that the team scrapped that "hurry up" / no huddle offense after two weeks in the regular season. This was the same year the team thought Demetress Bell would be an adequate LT (a 7th round pick) and Kirk Chambers would be good at RT.

 

If I didn't know better it sure looked like Dick Jauron submarined his own team in order to get fired in Buffalo. Is it any wonder why JP and Trent Edwards failed after being coached by jamokes year after year.

 

 

 

The good news is at least now the Bills have a legit NFL OC to coach the offense and young QB's.

I forgot some of that glorious season on purpose LOL! In a way Jauron pulled a painful Marrone on us.

[Rocky Landing]

This will be the year we make the playoffs.

[C.Biscuit97]

yea, 2009 when Jauron fired Turk Schonert and then promoted AVP from QB coach to OC. It was like the blind leading the blind leading the blind....all towards a cliff in running that Mike Martz deep passing attack with a WC QB.

 

Let's not forget that Jauron had decided the team would run the "hurry up" / no huddle offense in the offseason and when the RT couldn't get to the line fast enough during pre-season to run it effectively. Jauron then outright cut the starting RT with the season about to start. Not to mention that the team scrapped that "hurry up" / no huddle offense after two weeks in the regular season. This was the same year the team thought Demetress Bell would be an adequate LT (a 7th round pick) and Kirk Chambers would be good at RT (a Cleveland Brown 6th round pick)!

 

If I didn't know better it sure looked like Dick Jauron submarined his own team in order to get fired in Buffalo. Is it any wonder why JP and Trent Edwards failed after being coached by jamokes year after year.

 

 

 

The good news is at least now the Bills have a legit NFL OC to coach the offense and young QB's.

And even after all that, they should have beat NE on the road on MNF.

[Virgil]

You know that all of this will be used as an excuse to give Rex one more chance after a mediocre season

[Boatdrinks]

You know that all of this will be used as an excuse to give Rex one more chance after a mediocre season

Why would Pegs need an excuse to retain Rex Ryan for another season? I believe he is the owner of the team.

[Jauronimo]

yea, 2009 when Jauron fired Turk Schonert and then promoted AVP from QB coach to OC. It was like the blind leading the blind leading the blind....all towards a cliff in running that Mike Martz deep passing attack with a WC QB.

 

Let's not forget that Jauron had decided the team would run the "hurry up" / no huddle offense in the offseason and when the RT couldn't get to the line fast enough during pre-season to run it effectively. Jauron then outright cut the starting RT with the season about to start. Not to mention that the team scrapped that "hurry up" / no huddle offense after two weeks in the regular season. This was the same year the team thought Demetress Bell would be an adequate LT (a 7th round pick) and Kirk Chambers would be good at RT (a Cleveland Brown 6th round pick)!

 

If I didn't know better it sure looked like Dick Jauron submarined his own team in order to get fired in Buffalo. Is it any wonder why JP and Trent Edwards failed after being coached by jamokes year after year.

 

 

 

The good news is at least now the Bills have a legit NFL OC to coach the offense and young QB's.

Partially correct. The Bills offensive line shuffling started with releasing Dockery who had signed the richest OG contract in the NFL just 2 years before. One Bills Drive filed the paperwork late and wound up owing Dockery a multi-million dollar bonus before cutting him in a rare instance of severance pay in the NFL. Then they traded LT Jason Peters to the Eagles, who I understand went on to have a nice little career for himself. They moved starting RT Langston Walker from right to the left side to fill the hole left by Peters. Then they cut Walker and promoted Demetrius Bell to play LT who would later find out his name is actually Demetress. It was an offseason to remember.

[Protocal69]

I remember recently where Darius was talking about preferring to face Brady because he wanted to play against the best. He probability knew then that he had no choice but not to play against Brady in the 1st game since he had to know the suspension was coming and he wasnt going to be playing anyway

[Reed83HOF]

Partially correct. The Bills offensive line shuffling started with releasing Dockery who had signed the richest OG contract in the NFL just 2 years before. One Bills Drive filed the paperwork late and wound up owing Dockery a multi-million dollar bonus before cutting him in a rare instance of severance pay in the NFL. Then they traded LT Jason Peters to the Eagles, who I understand went on to have a nice little career for himself. They moved starting RT Langston Walker from right to the left side to fill the hole left by Peters. Then they cut Walker and promoted Demetrius Bell to play LT who would later find out his name is actually Demetress. It was an offseason to remember.

[Mike in Horseheads]

Partially correct. The Bills offensive line shuffling started with releasing Dockery who had signed the richest OG contract in the NFL just 2 years before. One Bills Drive filed the paperwork late and wound up owing Dockery a multi-million dollar bonus before cutting him in a rare instance of severance pay in the NFL. Then they traded LT Jason Peters to the Eagles, who I understand went on to have a nice little career for himself. They moved starting RT Langston Walker from right to the left side to fill the hole left by Peters. Then they cut Walker and promoted Demetrius Bell to play LT who would later find out his name is actually Demetress. It was an offseason to remember.

But he was Karl Malones kid so he had to be good.

[snafu]

Who's talking about being done with the team? Or joining a Jets board? Only you are.

 

This is what's happened in the last 3 months...for a team which stumbled to an 8-8 record in 2015 despite going on a huge spending spree.

 

It was sarcasm. You're overreacting. Did you expect things to go perfectly? Most of your list is completely irrelevant. Do you think the Bills are the only team with issues and setbacks?

[RussellDopeland]

NO,the 1993-94 off-season was the worst in Bills' history:

 

The team was coming off a fourth consecutive Super Bowl loss.

 

They lost long-time starters like Jim Ritcher, Howard Ballard, Nate Odomes, and Mark Kelso.

 

They replaced those players with the likes of Corbin Lacina, Jerry Crafts, Mickey Washington, and Matt Darby.

 

Their top three draft choices were Jeff Burris, Bucky Brooks, and Lonnie Johnson.

 

And to top it off, the greatest player in franchise history was arrested on double-homicide charges.

[KD in CA]

In the span of 3 months, this happened:

 

1. May: 1st round pick Shaq Lawson, whose shoulder removed him from other teams' boards suffers a shoulder injury during a non-contact drill. He undergoes surgery and will not be able to play until Week 8.

 

2. May: The same day Lawson's injury is announced, it is revealed Sammy Watkins had foot surgery a month previous and is uncertain for training camp.

 

3. May: The Bills media policy is made known and widely panned for preventing any record of what players do in practice. Later, the policy is walked back.

 

4. May: GM Doug Whaley tells WGR 550 radio that football is "a violent game that I personally don't think humans are supposed to play." The team is forced to issue a clarification the following day.

 

5. July: Karlos Williams shows up 20+ pounds overweight and later is suspended 4 games for a violation of the league's substance abuse policy.

 

6. July: Jonathan Williams, a 2016 5th round pick is arrested for DWI in Arkansas.

 

7. July: Manny Lawson is injured while working out and misses the beginning of training camp.

 

8. August: Reggie Ragland, a 2nd round pick the team depended on as an immediate starter, suffers a knee injury and will miss the 2016 season.

 

9. August: Cordy Glenn suffers a high ankle sprain and will miss the entire pre-season. Expected to be available for week 1.

 

10. August: Manny Lawson is suspended 1 game for a violation of the league's domestic violence policy.

 

11. August: Marcell Dareus suspended 4 games for a violation of the league's substance abuse policy.

 

 

I didn't include McCoy's fight with off-duty cops in Philadelphia, but considered it (EDIT:) because he was not charged.

 

So you're saying the Bills had a great June!

[BuffaloBillsForever]

Things will only change when the owner is able to identify people to properly evaulate the franchise and player personnel.

 

When Ralph's garbage still runs the show (Brandon and Whaley), the more things change around the Bills (ownership, coaches etc) the dysfunction to no surprise still stays the same!

Edited August 16, 2016 by BuffaloBillsForever

[Mike in Horseheads]

NO,the 1993-94 off-season was the worst in Bills' history:

 

The team was coming off a fourth consecutive Super Bowl loss.

 

They lost long-time starters like Jim Ritcher, Howard Ballard, Nate Odomes, and Mark Kelso.

 

They replaced those players with the likes of Corbin Lacina, Jerry Crafts, Mickey Washington, and Matt Darby.

 

Their top three draft choices were Jeff Burris, Bucky Brooks, and Lonnie Johnson.

 

And to top it off, the greatest player in franchise history was arrested on double-homicide charges.

I liked Bucky Brooks. :}

[Malazan]

 

 

And the ones before. So basically every team but us.

 

Reading comprehension. Try it. You might like it.

[clearwater cadet]

I'm ready for greg hardy

Edited August 16, 2016 by clearwater cadet

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

Tyrod Taylor babyyyyyy

[Rico]

 

I think they can slide a LOT farther. Like if Tyrod doesn't perform this year. Then, maybe THEN all the ralph-era cancer will be cut out and replaced.

Look for the cloud with the silver lining.

[Dr.Sack]

I can fly a plane. I'm a pilot.

[Nihilarian]

I look at things this way.

 

Back in 1979, the team was working their way out of a decade in which they hadn't beaten the Miami Dolphins in 20 plus games. The team finished that year 7-9 under Chuck Knox and the only real bright spot was a journeyman WR the Bills had gotten from Pittsburgh had 1000 yards receiving with 2 TD's.The last half of the 70's the team had gone 2-12, 3-11 and 5-11.

 

The team just traded away their pro bowl RB in OJ to the 49ers for some picks. If you looked at the roster it was filled with a bunch of nobody's save RG Joe D who was a pro bowler and QB Joe Ferguson who was constantly throwing more INT's than TD's every year.

 

Then, all of a sudden in 1980 all that good Chuck Knox coaching kicked in along with some good drafting and the team went 11-5 while making the playoffs.

 

 

If Rex Ryan is worth a damn he should be able to coach up the players he does have and still win games. The team beat the Colts last year without Dareus and almost beat the Patriots in that second game without Kyle Williams, Aaron Williams and Mario Williams.

[KDIGGZ]

Rock bottom would be a year suspension for Marcel.....which is actually the much bigger problem

 

Its not that far off

Hes the next Josh Gordon if he gets caught again. Hes either immature or addicted at this point. Bills need to intervene or hes going to smoke himself out of football

[vincec]

NO,the 1993-94 off-season was the worst in Bills' history:

 

The team was coming off a fourth consecutive Super Bowl loss.

 

They lost long-time starters like Jim Ritcher, Howard Ballard, Nate Odomes, and Mark Kelso.

 

They replaced those players with the likes of Corbin Lacina, Jerry Crafts, Mickey Washington, and Matt Darby.

 

Their top three draft choices were Jeff Burris, Bucky Brooks, and Lonnie Johnson.

 

And to top it off, the greatest player in franchise history was arrested on double-homicide charges.

Pretty bad. But hey there was a pretty entertaining slow speed car chase to follow.

Edited August 17, 2016 by vincec

[Nick the Greek]

I remember during the Jauron years we cut 2 starters on the o-line a couple days before the season started (Walker and Dockery IIRC). I was pretty pissed about that.

[Nitro]

Injuries and suspensions make for a nervous fan base. If they start 0-4 Rex is done and it will not be for anything he had control of. Character counts. I still say 9-7 will be a good season with this crew. This is not the worst off season by any measure. As a fan of over 50 years, they have had some real clunkers.

Edited August 17, 2016 by Nitro

[Uffalo Ills]

Good thing we've already won it.

[3rdand12]

 

Who's talking about being done with the team? Or joining a Jets board? Only you are.

 

This is what's happened in the last 3 months...for a team which stumbled to an 8-8 record in 2015 despite going on a huge spending spree.

almost all of what you said is true.

Been brutal honestly. The reasoning is not quite spot on. But wow. I thought the curse was removed. Seems some minor demon is vewwy vewwy angwy with the Bills trying to do good

[BaaadThingsMan]

Could be worse

[Heitz]

Ever. Love that the media policy is on the list!