Do You Like What Beane Did in the First Round?

[amprov56]

1 hour ago, NoName said:

Sounds like someone needs to loosen their girdle.

Or have a desire for adult conversation

[518Buffalo]

I was generally in favor of a trade back before the draft began, and I liked the first trade to move down and get back in the 3rd round. From there I wish we had stayed put and drafted Legette, but I also feel pretty good about where we're at. I'm glad Beane didn't give away next year's draft to trade up

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

I don't think it is a fact they would have got him regardless. Who knows where San Fran ranked him and equally I think KC was a bit defending themselves against that slew of early 2nd round teams who might have wanted to jump up and possibly they thought Dallas too (although as you know I always thought they were OL no matter what). 

 

But I do think more likely than not they'd have got him anyway at #32. Let's see what happens next. 

 

Don't forget, KC could have made the same trade offer with one of the teams behind us too and not just wait until pick 32.  I would say the odds of them getting him were pretty strong.  

 

But yes, as you know, I thought Dallas could be a place Worthy could go, but I also stated they should go OL, that was the smarter and better pick for them.  So with Guyton being there still, I think they would have likely stayed the course and taken Guyton because if they wanted Worthy they wouldn't have risked missing out on him trading back behind our pick IMO.  And they still could have taken Mitchell there too which would have added a lot of speed and explosion to the offense still as well.  

 

Personally, I don't think SF takes Worthy, he is not their style of player at all and they loved Pearsall from what I heard after the draft.  Its possible, but I doubt he was going to go to SF.  

[Dillenger4]

Or Ayouk.

[Eastport bills]

To me it’s a no brainer. You start out with #28 and no 3rd round pick. Your board shows the 3 guys projected to be available at receiver are still available. You get offers to trade down a few spots for a 3rd and a 5th and still can get a quality receiver ( Mitchell, McConkey or Franklin) plus enough draft capital to trade for Ayuk. What’s the problem with that reasoning?

[NoSaint]

Ultimately trading back is fine it’s just 

 

1) what do we do now drastically impacts the evaluation of whether the strategy was smart 

 

2) like it or not, if worthy blossoms it could really tattoo this regime/era in a different way than the Carolina trade which was also for a wr. The risk/reward equation is wildly different on a human psych level based on it being the chiefs taking a guy at a position of need for us to use against us in the biggest moments 

[stuvian]

If we get both Dejean and Mitchell or their equivalent then yes I do.

 

Given the increases in salary cap, I can't help but wonder just how much all this jockeying around the draft board is worth it.

 

I guess, in theory, every dollar saved means more room to bring in a star player that will supposedly put you over the top

[Captain_Quint]

2 hours ago, YoloinOhio said:

I’ll see who we get with their 3rd rd pick and then decide. Gunner didn’t even have a 1st rd grade on Xavier worthy. Neither did Joe Marino. Chiefs would likely have taken him at 32 regardless. Bills clearly didn’t want him at 28. His nfl.com draft profile grade says “might eventually become an average starter” …

 

That's high praise. 

 

[Freak-O]

3 hours ago, NoName said:

How do you trade with KC?  The team that kicked your ass every year.  What a moron.

Maybe we knew they weren’t after a player we wanted and felt we would be the winner of the deal? 

[DCOrange]

27 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

My biggest concern about Coleman is his 57% catch percentage. Not that worried about the long speed, as his first 10 yards is quicker than the likes of Jefferson and Chase...

 

But I want a wr that can catch the ball! That's why I'm kind of thinking Beane has Franklin in his sights... I think Franklin can add upper body strength and weight and get to 190lbs... 

 

I've also been higher on AD Mitchell than you have all along, but have some recent concerns about his attitude and the way he doesn't always take care of the diabetes. (Of course that could be a smoke screen).

Coleman has some of the best hands in the class IMO (not THE best, but he's up there) and certainly much better hands than Franklin. The separation is the big concern with Coleman. As I said, very young and inexperienced; you have to hope you can teach him how to generate separation much more consistently than he did in college. He's still figuring things out but could help us immediately in terms of giving you someone to throw to where he's "open when he's covered".

[BillsFan130]

35 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

Quoting this, not to pick on you or argue directly, but since these are kind of the consensus guys the board is in mourning over…

 

The problem with us fans falling in love with specific players, is we’re basing that on maybe 30% of the overall process. What we get — limited angles of college football games and the now largely for show combine, just don’t factor in as much as the things we don’t get access to: medicals (Thomas reportedly had concerns); psych. evaluations (Leggette reportedly not too bright); interviews both with the player, their teammates, coaches, other staff and support folks (AD Mitchell purportedly has attitude and effort issues); scheme fit and internal staff considerations; other priorities (comfort in cold weather? Willingness to block? Etc.)

 

I get why folks are annoyed by being told to “trust the process”, but it’s also the most logical option, given how little info we really have available. 

 

 

Everyone at 28 has some sort of red flag or a concern/limitation. That's why they aren't top 10 picks.

[FireChans]

4 minutes ago, Freak-O said:

Maybe we knew they weren’t after a player we wanted and felt we would be the winner of the deal? 

Just like we won the Tre White for Patrick Mahomes trade.

[ngbills]

Well if Worthy or Legette are hits then this is a fireable offense. 
Based on what we saw the Bills could have moved up to jump for Thomas. So that would be some egg on the face. 
In what the consensus says is the best WR draft in years. When the Bills need a WR and you end the first without one. I don’t know how that is a good thing. 
I only feel better if Mitchell is their guy and they grab him at 33.  

Edited April 26 by ngbills

[Logic]

I hated it. 

Put simply, and to steal a line from Twitter:

When the Chiefs call, you simply answer "new phone, who dis?" and hang up.

It doesn't matter to me that we weren't gonna pick Worthy or whatever. It's possible another team would've beaten the Chiefs to the punch on drafting him, but we helped ensure that couldn't happen.

You don't help your biggest enemy get the guy they covet. You don't hand a 4.21 guy to your arch rivals. You just don't. 

Hope Beane is thrilled with his extra mid to late picks in a shallow draft, though.

[glazeduck]

1 minute ago, BillsFan130 said:

Everyone at 28 has some sort of red flag or a concern/limitation. That's why they aren't top 10 picks.

100% right, but also wasn’t my point. All of these ranking sites and message boards are being populated by fans with extremely limited information. When even the pros with all of the info get it wrong as often as they do, it’s just not worth the hysteria that some folks are bringing. 

[Virgil]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

The purpose of this poll is to get an idea of how the TBD community feels about Beane’s strategy on night one before the rest of the draft plays out. 
 

There is no “wait and see” option for a reason. 
 

I personally like what Beane did and I’m interested to see how others feel. 
 

 

 

It all depends on if there was a guy Beane wanted prior to 28 and didn't do whatever he could to draft them.

[GunnerBill]

18 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Don't forget, KC could have made the same trade offer with one of the teams behind us too and not just wait until pick 32.  I would say the odds of them getting him were pretty strong.  

 

But yes, as you know, I thought Dallas could be a place Worthy could go, but I also stated they should go OL, that was the smarter and better pick for them.  So with Guyton being there still, I think they would have likely stayed the course and taken Guyton because if they wanted Worthy they wouldn't have risked missing out on him trading back behind our pick IMO.  And they still could have taken Mitchell there too which would have added a lot of speed and explosion to the offense still as well.  

 

Personally, I don't think SF takes Worthy, he is not their style of player at all and they loved Pearsall from what I heard after the draft.  Its possible, but I doubt he was going to go to SF.  

 

They could. Equally someone else could have traded into #28 (we know the Bills had other calls - Beane told us so) and other teams could have called Dallas, Baltimore, San Fran as well had Worthy still been there. 

 

I think it is more likely than not that they'd have got him anyway. But it isn't a complete given. And I do think there is a principle question about whether you should ever be in the market to help them. Put it this way, if he ends up a stud in KC l this trade will put some pressure on Beane. 

 

I don't mind the outcome, because I am sceptical about Worthy as a #1 receiver. But I think there are legit questions about whether as a point of principle it is the right process. 

[No_Matter_What]

I honestly don't know how to vote. I am completely fine with trading down, I don't care it was with the Chiefs, I don't care they took Worthy.

 

My only problem is that I'd have taken Legette at 28. 

[Motorin']

5 minutes ago, DCOrange said:

Coleman has some of the best hands in the class IMO (not THE best, but he's up there) and certainly much better hands than Franklin. The separation is the big concern with Coleman. As I said, very young and inexperienced; you have to hope you can teach him how to generate separation much more consistently than he did in college. He's still figuring things out but could help us immediately in terms of giving you someone to throw to where he's "open when he's covered".

 

When I watch him he looks like he has strong hands. But then under 60% catch percentage is puzzling. 

[Roundybout]

1 minute ago, Motorin' said:

 

When I watch him he looks like he has strong hands. But then under 60% catch percentage is puzzling. 

Becuase he’s allergic to going over the middle so he has to rely on low-percentage throws to the outside and deep 

[Motorin']

Just now, Roundybout said:

Becuase he’s allergic to going over the middle so he has to rely on low-percentage throws to the outside and deep 

 

Coleman is allergic to going over the middle? 

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, glazeduck said:

100% right, but also wasn’t my point. All of these ranking sites and message boards are being populated by fans with extremely limited information. When even the pros with all of the info get it wrong as often as they do, it’s just not worth the hysteria that some folks are bringing. 

I mean, fair points.

 

But who do you trust more with offensive players, Andy Reid or Sean McDermott/beane?

 

Andy Reid obviously was confident enough to trade up for a WR in the 1st round which is a glaring need for the bills 

[Success]

You don't trade with KC!!!

 

Well, unless you're making them give up draft capital for a player they very likely would have gotten by staying at 32.

 

If I'm a KC fan, my complaint today is that we gave the Bills a 3rd rounder for nuthin'.

 

[ndirish1978]

I wanted Legette, but they didn't. I'm bummed they didn't want the guy I thought could help us a lot. I hope they are right.

[Roundybout]

2 minutes ago, Motorin' said:

 

Coleman is allergic to going over the middle? 

Yes, one of the biggest knocks on him is he has an extremely limited route tree. 
 

https://www.si.com/college/fsu/fsu-football-nfl-draft-preview-keon-coleman-2024

[DapperCam]

I voted yes, but only because “meh” wasn’t an option.

[What a Tuel]

should be a 3rd option about waiting to see what comes of it today.

[glazeduck]

3 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I mean, fair points.

 

But who do you trust more with offensive players, Andy Reid or Sean McDermott/beane?

 

Andy Reid obviously was confident enough to trade up for a WR in the 1st round which is a glaring need for the bills 

Both have had their hits and misses. Again not really my point though. For all we know all of these guys had some major enough red flag that Beane and co. weren’t even considering them. Think of it that way — Reading the hundreds of posts on here and Twitter of fans freaking out about the same 3 or 4 dudes — what a waste of time and energy and emotion, all for something that potentially doesn’t even exist. 
 

As with all drafts, only time will tell. That’s one of the biggest challenges in drafting 21 and 22 year old young men, none of them

are even grownups yet. I have my opinions and favorites like everyone else, but without more info I have no idea how reasonable or realistic those are. 

[DrDawkinstein]

I know it's easy to sit out here and criticize and second guess, and I love me some Brandon Beane, but...

 

The board calling for:

Linderbaum or Dax Hill over Elam

Humphrey over Basham

DK Metcalf over Cody Ford

 

We've been more correct in this range than the Bills FO.

 

Beane better have a few more magic tricks up his sleeve tonight.

[glazeduck]

5 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Yes, one of the biggest knocks on him is he has an extremely limited route tree. 
 

https://www.si.com/college/fsu/fsu-football-nfl-draft-preview-keon-coleman-2024

Yeah I can’t see Coleman as the pick. He’s a guy that’s going to take a couple years and even then may be a specialist type. Doesn’t feel like a great fit for a team trying to win a Super Bowl and needing WRs to step immediately into a starting role. 

1 minute ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I know it's easy to sit out here and criticize and second guess, and I love me some Brandon Beane, but...

 

The board calling for:

Linderbaum or Dax Hill over Elam

Humphrey over Basham

DK Metcalf over Cody Ford

 

We've been more correct in this range than the Bills FO.

 

Beane better have a few more magic tricks up his sleeve tonight.

As probably THE loudest guy on this board wanting DK even over Oliver, I feel this one, for sure. Beane probably shouldn’t be anywhere near as Teflon as he is. Guess we’ll see…

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I know it's easy to sit out here and criticize and second guess, and I love me some Brandon Beane, but...

 

The board calling for:

Linderbaum or Dax Hill over Elam

Humphrey over Basham

DK Metcalf over Cody Ford

 

We've been more correct in this range than the Bills FO.

 

Beane better have a few more magic tricks up his sleeve tonight.

Go one step further. Kupp/Juju over Zayday 

[amprov56]

3 hours ago, Gugny said:

I don’t think worrying about other teams is a good strategy. 
 

Clearly, there was no one at 28 who the Bills wanted. 
 

The fact that KC ended up getting a WR with our pick doesn’t faze me. 
 

I don’t care what KC does. 
 

I find it hard fo believe that Beane is content going into next season with our current WRs plus any receiver(s) he gets in subsequent rounds. 
 

He has a plan. 
 

Using way too much reason here, but great assessment!

[hondo in seattle]

I voted "yes" simply because I trust Beane (he's an above-average GM) and I didn't love the WRs available based on the little I saw and read.  

 

I'm really curious to see what he's going to do today, though.  And I'd love to hear his reasoning.  

 

(I would have selected "wait and see" if Gugs included that).  

[DrDawkinstein]

3 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Go one step further. Kupp/Juju over Zayday 

 

Ehh, there are some others too, but those were the examples where the board was SCREAMING and ended up right. Plus Beane wasnt here in 2017 yet.

 

But that does highlight their WR acumen.

[Sestak4ever]

I think Beane is just following his board, not going to reach or cave to pressure. That is a good strategy and yet very difficult to remain disciplined and stick to the hard work done leading up to it. Go Bills!🏈🍻

[DCOrange]

24 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

Becuase he’s allergic to going over the middle so he has to rely on low-percentage throws to the outside and deep 

Edit: 45% of his targets and 46% of his catches the last two years were over the middle.

Edited April 26 by DCOrange

[SaulGoodman]

4 hours ago, Gugny said:

I don’t think worrying about other teams is a good strategy. 
 

Clearly, there was no one at 28 who the Bills wanted. 
 

The fact that KC ended up getting a WR with our pick doesn’t faze me. 
 

I don’t care what KC does. 
 

I find it hard fo believe that Beane is content going into next season with our current WRs plus any receiver(s) he gets in subsequent rounds. 
 

He has a plan. 
 

 

This was one of the rare times that Buffalo had control over what KC does. And they handed them the player they coveted, gift-wrapped.

[NoSaint]

27 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

They could. Equally someone else could have traded into #28 (we know the Bills had other calls - Beane told us so) and other teams could have called Dallas, Baltimore, San Fran as well had Worthy still been there. 

 

I think it is more likely than not that they'd have got him anyway. But it isn't a complete given. And I do think there is a principle question about whether you should ever be in the market to help them. Put it this way, if he ends up a stud in KC l this trade will put some pressure on Beane. 

 

I don't mind the outcome, because I am sceptical about Worthy as a #1 receiver. But I think there are legit questions about whether as a point of principle it is the right process. 

if the narrative becomes the bills built the chiefs core it’s bad for beane, bad for the locker room, bad for league wide perception 

 

if leggette becomes moss it sucks but life happens 

 

if the bills traded the chiefs a hall of fame qb and a pro bowl wr to continue their dynasty - that’s a catastrophe 

 

 

Edited April 26 by NoSaint

[QLBillsFan]

3 hours ago, Buddy Hix said:

Trading with KC, a team that is better and smarter than OBD in every sense, makes me angry. Like, you know they outclass you on the field and off, avoid helping them at all costs. Whatever, let's run the ball and pretend it's 1990, and continue wasting a unicorn QB.

KC blogs destroyed BB for the lowest value trade down up in the history of the draft. KC front office chess and Bills checkers. 

Edited April 26 by QLBillsFan

[schoolhouserock]

The trade with KC was a good one.

 

The Bills should have taken Legette at 32. The trade with Carolina is the one I don’t like.