LeGOATski Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 The dude hasn't missed through 3 games, including two 60+ yarders and a game winner. He credits it all to hard work. Certainly won't be expensive. Watch him and the Michigan Panthers at 4pm Saturday on FOX. Get 'er done, Beane! Okay, time for another drink 2 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thrivefourfive Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 If you didn’t have “LeG” in your handle, I woulda blown this off as another looooong shot 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Only if we can nickname him “The Master” 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 This could possibly be the first ever kicker related post on 2Bills ever! 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 They could use a camp foot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 A bit of competition could be just what the doctor ordered! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 7 hours ago, LeGOATski said: The dude hasn't missed through 3 games, including two 60+ yarders and a game winner. He credits it all to hard work. Certainly won't be expensive. Watch him and the Michigan Panthers at 4pm Saturday on FOX. Get 'er done, Beane! Okay, time for another drink 😁👍🍸🚬 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 Sounds like a great idea. Bass should scare Bills fans. He seems insulated from any consequences of blowing our season with a chip shot miss against KC along with misses along the way. There are too many automatic kickers (Ravens, Bengals,Dolphins,) for us to live with a guy that has confidence issues. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ddaryl Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I think a lot of teams will show interest at the end of the UFL season 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 10 hours ago, LeGOATski said: The dude hasn't missed through 3 games, including two 60+ yarders and a game winner. He credits it all to hard work. Certainly won't be expensive. Watch him and the Michigan Panthers at 4pm Saturday on FOX. Get 'er done, Beane! Okay, time for another drink Get in line. 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 I think Beane is having to deal with so many holes on his roster, that if he thinks he has a good enough guy in any position, he's not thinking about changing. Bass has turned into Bass-not-so-matic and it's a concern for us, but getting Beane to worry about the PK as well as WRs, safeties, edge rushers, whether we actually have a competent center, additional RB depth, etc -- at some point you just have to go with what you've got and hope for the best. I suspect that's where Beane's head is these days. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 We'll only save 100k by cutting Bass and eat $4.32m. He pry gets another year without competition but if he struggles early in the season they'll bring another guy in. Maybe they bring in a camp guy but I doubt it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiltonWaddams Posted April 20 Share Posted April 20 3 hours ago, Doc Brown said: We'll only save 100k by cutting Bass and eat $4.32m. He pry gets another year without competition but if he struggles early in the season they'll bring another guy in. Maybe they bring in a camp guy but I doubt it. If he continues the struggles from last year, that is money well spent. If he gets over his struggles, then keep him. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted April 21 Author Share Posted April 21 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: We'll only save 100k by cutting Bass and eat $4.32m. He pry gets another year without competition but if he struggles early in the season they'll bring another guy in. Maybe they bring in a camp guy but I doubt it. This is a logical take, but we're not talking about a lot of money here, either way. Beane always says they're constantly looking to upgrade at every position. So far this guy looks like an upgrade over what the Bills have. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HankBulloughMellencamp Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: We'll only save 100k by cutting Bass and eat $4.32m. He pry gets another year without competition but if he struggles early in the season they'll bring another guy in. Maybe they bring in a camp guy but I doubt it. Agree except I do think there will be a camp leg, if only to be exactly that. Each kickoff is a chance to practice for the new kick return configuration, which is supposed to encourage more returns. And Tyler probably doesn't need to kick every single one. Juggs machine balls just aren't the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenosha2Buffalo Posted April 21 Share Posted April 21 (edited) They should sign that Marquez Stevenson kid.. err wait Edited April 21 by Kenosha2Buffalo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PromoTheRobot Posted Sunday at 08:20 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:20 PM (edited) 5 FGs today including a 60 yarder, 49 yarder and a game-winning 42 yarder with no time left. The legend of Jake bates grows. Edited Sunday at 08:21 PM by PromoTheRobot 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted Sunday at 08:22 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:22 PM Yes, the REAL burning question this off-season. Have the Bills done enough to address the PK position? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Putin Posted Sunday at 08:26 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:26 PM 5 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: 5 FGs today including a 60 yarder, 49 yarder and a game-winning 42 yarder with no time left. The legend of Jake bates grows. Yes but does he have big feet to kick in Buffalo weather ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted Sunday at 08:27 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:27 PM 6 minutes ago, PromoTheRobot said: 5 FGs today including a 60 yarder, 49 yarder and a game-winning 42 yarder with no time left. The legend of Jake bates grows. With how he's performing he's going somewhere that seems certain. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rocky Landing Posted Sunday at 08:28 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:28 PM 4 minutes ago, H2o said: Yes, the REAL burning question this off-season. Have the Bills done enough to address the PK position? Considering how Bass finished the season, it's not an irrelevant question to be asking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted Sunday at 08:29 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:29 PM If only bass did not have that contact… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted Sunday at 08:31 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:31 PM Let's see if Bass has it fixed. If not, they can bring in kickers to compete. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted Sunday at 08:44 PM Share Posted Sunday at 08:44 PM (edited) I think Bass' contract makes him extremely unlikely to be cut under any scenario - unfortunately. As such, I think Bates' agent is going to have him sign with a team that either a.) Is going to just name him the starter b.) Is going to give him a fair and even shot in an open competition with a team that hasn't named a starter and/or c.) Is going to go to a team with a Kicker that doesn't have much of a financial committment locked into them. We don't fall under any of those categories. Edited Sunday at 08:45 PM by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted Sunday at 09:18 PM Share Posted Sunday at 09:18 PM FG God 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted 19 hours ago Share Posted 19 hours ago https://www.nbcsports.com/nfl/profootballtalk/rumor-mill/news/jake-bates-goes-five-for-five-with-game-winner-for-michigan He was 5-5 yesterday, with another 60 yarder, and the game-winner. Quote Kicker Jake Bates, who made a 64-yarder earlier this year and prompted complaints that NFL teams were contacting him improperly, went five-for-five in field goals for Michigan — including another 60-yarder. He capped the day with a 42-yard game winner that gave Michigan the 28-27 victory. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago I am pretty sure he is going to sign with the Lions. They have Michael Badgley who has always been up and down and Bates is smashing Balls in that stadium. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JarHeadJim_1 Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago What's his 40 time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago 3 minutes ago, JarHeadJim_1 said: What's his 40 time? The real question is how fast is the rail we'd run Bass out of town on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Starr Almighty Posted 18 hours ago Share Posted 18 hours ago Can he kick outside is the real question. Maybe if they sign him and he misses outside kicks it'll force them to put a roof on the new stadium. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago On 4/20/2024 at 9:09 AM, Eastport bills said: Sounds like a great idea. Bass should scare Bills fans. He seems insulated from any consequences of blowing our season with a chip shot miss against KC along with misses along the way. There are too many automatic kickers (Ravens, Bengals,Dolphins,) for us to live with a guy that has confidence issues. How much better are they than Bass? Tucker, McPherson and Bass al missed 5 kicks last year. Sanders missed 4. Bass had the lowest percentage but he was effectively even with McPherson. Most kickers get so few reps these days that a couple more in any direction skews the stats a lot to make you think a guyw as great or terrible. Bass had his worse year since his rookie year with 5 misses for 82.8 percent, coming off back to back 87% seasons where he had 4 misses across 3 and 4 more attempts respectively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 11 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: How much better are they than Bass? Tucker, McPherson and Bass al missed 5 kicks last year. Sanders missed 4. Bass had the lowest percentage but he was effectively even with McPherson. Most kickers get so few reps these days that a couple more in any direction skews the stats a lot to make you think a guyw as great or terrible. Bass had his worse year since his rookie year with 5 misses for 82.8 percent, coming off back to back 87% seasons where he had 4 misses across 3 and 4 more attempts respectively. Things were off for Bass for sure last year, but abandoning a guy for 1 so-so season is bonkers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago On 4/20/2024 at 2:50 PM, Doc Brown said: We'll only save 100k by cutting Bass and eat $4.32m. He pry gets another year without competition but if he struggles early in the season they'll bring another guy in. Maybe they bring in a camp guy but I doubt it. This is true, however if cut this year his savings would be: 2025- $3.65M 2026- $3.95M 2027- $4.30M Each of those years we would also see a dead cap of just a bit over $1M a season. In short, it wouldn't save much this year but going forward if Bass struggles it looks like they can not only get out from the contract somewhat painlessly...but also end up with a net profit after paying his replacement as well depending on who it would be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted 17 hours ago Share Posted 17 hours ago 23 minutes ago, BullBuchanan said: How much better are they than Bass? Tucker, McPherson and Bass al missed 5 kicks last year. Sanders missed 4. Bass had the lowest percentage but he was effectively even with McPherson. Most kickers get so few reps these days that a couple more in any direction skews the stats a lot to make you think a guyw as great or terrible. Bass had his worse year since his rookie year with 5 misses for 82.8 percent, coming off back to back 87% seasons where he had 4 misses across 3 and 4 more attempts respectively. It's not just how many he missed, it's about % of misses vs attempts and from what distance. Bass was ranked 21st in FG% out of kickers who had 20+ attempts. Tucker (86.5%) - 32 of 37 (including 31 of 32 under 50 yards) Sanders (85.7%) - 24 of 28 (including 19 of 21 under 50 yards) McPherson (83.9%) - 26 of 31 (including 19 of 19 under 50 yards / 7 of 12 from 50+) Bass (82.9%) - 24 of 29 (including 20 of 23 under 50 yards) So you're right in that Bass isn't super far off, but he's still not great either. All of McPherson's misses were from 50+ yards, as were all but 1 from Tucker. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago 17 minutes ago, BigDingus said: It's not just how many he missed, it's about % of misses vs attempts and from what distance. Bass was ranked 21st in FG% out of kickers who had 20+ attempts. Tucker (86.5%) - 32 of 37 (including 31 of 32 under 50 yards) Sanders (85.7%) - 24 of 28 (including 19 of 21 under 50 yards) McPherson (83.9%) - 26 of 31 (including 19 of 19 under 50 yards / 7 of 12 from 50+) Bass (82.9%) - 24 of 29 (including 20 of 23 under 50 yards) So you're right in that Bass isn't super far off, but he's still not great either. All of McPherson's misses were from 50+ yards, as were all but 1 from Tucker. And this is why you don't pay Bass. He is not elite. He is ok. And the difference between a good kicker and an average kicker is minimal. Pay elite guys, the rest of these guys are a dime a dozen. The same rules apply to punters. KC let Tommy Townsend go for big money and now have a league minimum competition happening between Matt Araiza and Ryan Rehkow, two guys who are better than what we have and probably better than half the league. Stop paying punters and kickers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago Hindsight is always 20-20. Bass didn’t give anyone any reason to think he wouldn’t continue his upward trajectory in 2023. He was an 87% kicker the previous 2 seasons and started 9-9 this year before the wheels feel off. What caused those wheels to fall off is a much more interesting conversation that likely is deeper than ‘bAsS SuCks” in my opinion. The reality is: Weeks 1-5 he was 9-9 on FGs Weeks 6-7 he was 1-4 on FGs Weeks 8-11 he was 6-6 on FGs. Week 12 he was 2-4 on FGs. Weeks 13-17 he was 6-6 on FGs. Two Playoff games 2-5 on FGs. Bass was streaky but had plenty of good in 2023. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted 16 hours ago Share Posted 16 hours ago (edited) 21 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Hindsight is always 20-20. Bass didn’t give anyone any reason to think he wouldn’t continue his upward trajectory in 2023. He was an 87% kicker the previous 2 seasons and started 9-9 this year before the wheels feel off. What caused those wheels to fall off is a much more interesting conversation that likely is deeper than ‘bAsS SuCks” in my opinion. The reality is: Weeks 1-5 he was 9-9 on FGs Weeks 6-7 he was 1-4 on FGs Weeks 8-11 he was 6-6 on FGs. Week 12 he was 2-4 on FGs. Weeks 13-17 he was 6-6 on FGs. Two Playoff games 2-5 on FGs. Bass was streaky but had plenty of good in 2023. The problem is that he is being paid like a top-ten kicker, which he isn't and probably never was going to be. You can get the same production from street-free agents or UDFAs. That's my issue. He was pretty good, but he isn't a top kicker and we should have never paid him 5 million plus per. Point being, average to above average kickers are a dime a dozen type guys. Edited 16 hours ago by MrEpsYtown 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 7 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: The problem is that he is being paid like a top-ten kicker, which he isn't and probably never was going to be. You can get the same production from street-free agents or UDFAs. That's my issue. He was pretty good, but he isn't a top kicker and we should have never paid him 5 million plus per. Point being, average to above average kickers are a dime a dozen type guys. Contracts can always be adjusted, happens all the time. Maybe he takes a big jump in 2024 and we have to talk about how underpaid he is. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago 6 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Contracts can always be adjusted, happens all the time. Maybe he takes a big jump in 2024 and we have to talk about how underpaid he is. I hope so! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted 15 hours ago Share Posted 15 hours ago Wonder what he could do facing real/pro ST pressure... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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