We are set at WR. Maybe we’ll grab one in Round 6.

[Chandler#81]

 

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

 

Anstifter

 

[Big Turk]

9 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Bates? Gone. Morse? Gone. We need a guard to pair with Torrens. Run the rock. Protect Josh. 
 

 

McGovern moves to center, Edwards takes his spot at guard, they draft a guard or center in the later rounds to bring in.

[blacklabel]

"dEaL WiTh iT!" Get da fudge outta here. 

[Chicken Boo]

This is my exact fear upon hearing about the Curtis Samuel signing. 

 

The team has an aging/declining Stefon Diggs and several slot guys.  

 

The Bills are not going to moneyball their way to a Lombardi.  The WR room is decent right now.  Why stop?  Lean into it and put this thing over-the-top.

 

 

[Chicken Boo]

10 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

After your 500 word essay, I submit five words: “Kansas City Chiefs. Super Bowl Champions”

 

The Bills, nor any other team in the league, are not the Chiefs.  It's painfully obvious.

[djp14150]

You can drsft IOL in 5 th or later rounds.

[dollars 2 donuts]

There’s a legitimate argument to be made that Allen may be half through the meaty part of his career.

 

We don’t need a good receiver.  We don’t need a pretty good receiver.  We need Diggs’ replacement (at some point). We need a WR who is one of the guys that is going to set the market 5 years from now. We need a receiver that can wear the big boy pants. We need a legitimate top 10 WR because we have a legitimate top 3 (not saying he is third) QB in the sunshine of his career and it would be criminal after everything is said and done (and likely the last great Bills QB of my life) to say 8 sinful words: “If only they had gotten him more help.”

 

I’m wrong? Talk to Hasek.

 

 

Edited March 15 by dollars 2 donuts

[Don Otreply]

11 hours ago, Logic said:

I respectfully buy vehemently disagree. Two reasons.

The first reason is that when building a team, you look beyond the coming season. You look at the following season, as well.

In 2025, Diggs will be 32 years old, Samuel will be 29, and Shakir will be in a contract year. No one beyond those three is worth discussing (Shorter unproven, Hollins on one year deal, etc).

So the first reason the Bills need another receiver or two is because they need to set themselves up for the long term and start breaking in a stud who can take over as the alpha in the room for Diggs in the next year or two.

The second reason the Bills need another receiver is that Stefon Diggs plays Z, and Shakir and Samuel play the slot. The only X receivers we have on the roster right now are Hollins, Shorter, and Shavers, and I'm not counting on ANY of those guys being viable starting X receivers in 2024 and beyond.

So for both short term planning (the Bills need a starting X receiver) and long term planning (the Bills need young receiver talent in the pipeline), the Bills need to spend premium capital on a wide receiver THIS YEAR. It's not a want, it's a need.

Now...the signings of Samuel and Hollins make it so that it's not a SCREAMING need that you absolutely HAVE To spend a 1st round pick on. But me personally? I'm not waiting any later than the 2nd round. I'd prefer a 1st rounder and a 4th rounder, but I'd settle for a 2nd and a 5th, something like that. Make no mistake about it, the Bills need -- and I'm almost certain WILL be spending a high pick on -- a wide receiver.

 

I sure hope so, it would be so typically Billsey to hang Allen out to dry for yet another season with in imo, a mediocre WR room like they did this past season, hoping for the best, 

[4merper4mer]

31 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

This is my exact fear upon hearing about the Curtis Samuel signing. 

 

The team has an aging/declining Stefon Diggs and several slot guys.  

 

The Bills are not going to moneyball their way to a Lombardi.  The WR room is decent right now.  Why stop?  Lean into it and put this thing over-the-top.

 

 

I’m not sure you pay close attention to the outskirts of the roster.  We have KJ Hamilton who never really got a fair shot in Denver.

[nosejob]

12 hours ago, KingBoots8 said:

Sure, but we don’t need a 1st round IOL or S. The only exception to that is Cooper DeJean but I doubt he falls to 28

Don't be surprised with CB Quinyon Mithchell at 28.

[Bruffalo]

54 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

The Bills, nor any other team in the league, are not the Chiefs.  It's painfully obvious.

The Bills are the closest thing to the Chiefs in the entire NFL and the salt from the losses is clouding your judgement. 

 

They've barely squeaked past us the last two playoff matchups. If the Bills were in the NFC it would be a Bills v. Chiefs Superbowl 3 out of the last 4 years.

[Gregg]

13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

They will eventually need to replace Diggs as a #1.  I still hope Beane goes WR at #28.

[T master]

With Diggs getting up there we need another young guy to take his place when the time comes plus Diggs can groom him on the game and this being a good year for WR's they shouldn't pass it up especially if a top 10 player is there ...

[Gregg]

1 minute ago, T master said:

With Diggs getting up there we need another young guy to take his place when the time comes plus Diggs can groom him on the game and this being a good year for WR's they shouldn't pass it up especially if a top 10 player is there ...

 

Beane has shown in the past (Allen, Edmunds) that he will trade up to get a player. I don't think he has enough to trade up into the teens but if one of these WR's fall that he wants I could see a possible trade up to the early #20's to try and get him.

[Bangarang]

I'm not particularly impressed by our WR room at the moment. I still hope we draft someone early. 

[skibum]

Thank you for your perspective, Mr. Beane. 

[without a drought]

If they didn't have three 6th round picks, I wouldn't want them wasting a 6th. But who knows, maybe a special teams guy. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Put down the bong and step away from the computer......

Hollins was signed for special teams and nothing more.  We really know very little about Shorter or Hamler at this point.  There are at least a dozen guys in this draft that have the potential to become a dominant downfield threat that the Bills don't currently have under contract.  They need to get one of those young guys on the roster.  Beane has done a good job of improving the WR talent pool to set up competition during the preseason.  He should not be done yet.  However it sorts out, the WR group will be better than last season.

[Augie]

16 minutes ago, without a drought said:

If they didn't have three 6th round picks, I wouldn't want them wasting a 6th. But who knows, maybe a special teams guy. 

 

The 6th round should be devoted to depth at long snapper. I think that is pretty obvious. 

[All I Need is Hope]

Our biggest needs are at DT/DE/S/WR.  We're a top 5 scoring offense with more weapons than last year (including Kincaid/Shakir/Cook continuing to improve). 

 

I don't want to "run back" the same defensive line (minus Floyd) and would prefer we went BPA at 28, looking for DE/WR/DT/S... in that order.

[Fan in Chicago]

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Anstifter

 

(Fingers run to online dictionary)

 

 

Agreed

[Norcalbillsfan]

The pick up of Samuel just put the bills in a position to take bpa, wether that's wr dt safety whatever. But it makes me feel so much better, because I haven't liked a few of beanes picks when he has to fill holes.

[BringBackFergy]

All this talk about "We need a young deep threat" in the 1st round.  Stop trying to control that which cannot be controlled. Our younger, speed threat is now on the team.

 

Tyreek Hill, Age 30, 40 time: 4.29

Curtis Samuel, Age 27, 40 time: 4.31

 

Fair comparison.  Look for Brady to use Samuel with a lot of motion and 15 yd slants which go for 30 - 40 yds.  Would you take Tyreek Hill as a suitable #2? Yes.  I give you a younger Tyreek Hill already on our team.

 

 

[Dunkirk Donski]

[Bangarang]

2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

All this talk about "We need a young deep threat" in the 1st round.  Stop trying to control that which cannot be controlled. Our younger, speed threat is now on the team.

 

Tyreek Hill, Age 30, 40 time: 4.29

Curtis Samuel, Age 27, 40 time: 4.31

 

Fair comparison.  Look for Brady to use Samuel with a lot of motion and 15 yd slants which go for 30 - 40 yds.  Would you take Tyreek Hill as a suitable #2? Yes.  I give you a younger Tyreek Hill already on our team.

 

 

 

What a ridiculous comparison

[BringBackFergy]

10 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

 

Anstifter

 

My German grandmother used to call me that for some reason. 

1 minute ago, Bangarang said:

 

What a ridiculous comparison

OK, I'll amend it: We now have a younger, speedy WR like Tyreek Hill minus the cash payoffs to injury victims.

[Bangarang]

3 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

OK, I'll amend it: We now have a younger, speedy WR like Tyreek Hill minus the cash payoffs to injury victims.

 

Why are you so desperate to put them in the same sentence as if they are comparable players? 

 

If you're expecting Samuel to be a good #2 then you're setting yourself up for major disappointment.

[hondo in seattle]

14 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

A nice room?  Maybe.  I don't hate it.  I guess it depends on what your standard it.  

 

This might be an average group of targets.  Maybe Diggs elevates it to above-average.  Maybe it's even a playoff-caliber receiver room.  To me, though, it doesn't look like an elite, Lombardi-hoisting group of receivers.    

 

Brady is the wild card.  Maybe he can scheme guys open more than we've seen in the recent past.   

[RyanC883]

14 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

 

Disagree.  Two reasons: 1.  we need Diggs replacement who could be thre at 28 or by a slight trade up (Brian Thomas Jr).  2.  WR in Rd. 1 gives an extra year of cost control.  

 

Additionally, we need a LB over O lineman.  

 

WR

S/LB/DL/IOL on repeat until another good WR pops up.  

 

 

[Mat68]

I dont think this changes the desire to add a wr.  The team lost 3 contributors off the team brought in 2.  The desire to add 2 has left but another guy with speed will be brought in.  I could see a D line at 28 if they like an edge.  With the addition of Samuel I could get behind Leggette or best remaing wr at 60.  I think with what Buffalo has for needs the pick selections matches up.  Day 3 you can find secondary depth and mid rounds you can find interior help.     

[cgg716]

Only in the delusional 1995 mindset we have going does a 60 catch wr answer our issues. Because more d lineman will finally fix it.. also in this scheme, zero need to spend any high value resources at safety. Our starting safety next year should be the 6th rounder

[Beck Water]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

My German grandmother used to call me that for some reason. 

 

My German-speaking grandfather would say your German grandmother was a Wise Woman!  

[BringBackFergy]

1 hour ago, hondo in seattle said:

 

A nice room?  Maybe.  I don't hate it.  I guess it depends on what your standard it.  

 

This might be an average group of targets.  Maybe Diggs elevates it to above-average.  Maybe it's even a playoff-caliber receiver room.  To me, though, it doesn't look like an elite, Lombardi-hoisting group of receivers.    

 

Brady is the wild card.  Maybe he can scheme guys open more than we've seen in the recent past.   

Speaking of Lombardi Trophy - Would you say the Chief’s WR room was stellar last year? The answer is NO

[Beck Water]

2 minutes ago, BringBackFergy said:

Speaking of Lombardi Trophy - Would you say the Chief’s WR room was stellar last year? The answer is NO

 

The Chiefs #1 receiver is a TE named Kelce.

[Jauronimo]

15 hours ago, buffblue said:

This is just an awful post

Deal with it!

[BringBackFergy]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

The Chiefs #1 receiver is a TE named Kelce.

My point exactly!! 👍

[Logic]

13 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

After your 500 word essay, I submit five words: “Kansas City Chiefs. Super Bowl Champions”

Cool.

Wake me when the Bills' defense starts performing in the playoffs like the Chiefs' D did.

[amprov56]

15 hours ago, BringBackFergy said:

Diggs, Shakir, Hollins, Samuel, Shorter…even Kincaid (WR/TE). Nice WR room.

 

Face it…we need an interior O lineman or a safety.
 

Deal with it.  

How dare you upset some really great group think, just follow the crowd!

[Buffalo4Life01]

1 hour ago, BringBackFergy said:

All this talk about "We need a young deep threat" in the 1st round.  Stop trying to control that which cannot be controlled. Our younger, speed threat is now on the team.

 

Tyreek Hill, Age 30, 40 time: 4.29

Curtis Samuel, Age 27, 40 time: 4.31

 

Fair comparison.  Look for Brady to use Samuel with a lot of motion and 15 yd slants which go for 30 - 40 yds.  Would you take Tyreek Hill as a suitable #2? Yes.  I give you a younger Tyreek Hill already on our team.

 

 

Will all due respect, Hill has a career average of 14.1 yards.  A true deep threat.  Samuel has a career average of 10.7 yards.  Much more in line with what you see out of a 'possession receiver'.  They are no where close to being the same player.