CURTIS SAMUEL A BILL

[HappyDays]

1 minute ago, Dr. Who said:

Now I sort of like the idea of adding Worthy. 

 

I want a big X receiver. Coleman or Legette for me. Not going to be unhappy with any WR they take in the 1st round though.

[Shaw66]

17 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I like the move. He’s a playmaker and has speed.  We’re loaded underneath. Beane has been preaching RAC every offseason.  Now he has it.  Samuel, cook, kincaid, shakir are all explosive playmakers imo.  Knox and Diggs aren’t too shabby either. 
 

He’d be a fine signing for KC.  I’m sure Veach has something up his sleeve.  
 

He’s just not an X in many peoples opinion, mine included.  He’s best in the slot and we already have a young up and coming slot playing on a rookie contract. We have limited resources and I can understand people preferring to invest resources to fill and immediate hole.  Samuel is almost a luxury based on his skill set. Maybe those people are wrong and Samuel can fill the roll outside.  Brady will just have to get creative.  I suspect that we’ll be seeing some Mack Hollins playing more X than many think.  

I just clicked in to see what people were saying about Samuel.  I don't know the league personnel very well, and I have no real opinion about Samuel as a player.  I'm sure I've seen him, but I don't remember any play he's ever made.  

 

However, my opinion about the signing, as soon as I looked at his career stats, was what you said (in bold) above.  This is a veteran receiver with physical skills (second round pick}.   He has a lot of playing time.  He must know the game.  

 

What I'm hoping for, and expecting, out of Brady is some sophisticated route designs that attack weaknesses in defenses from week to week.  What those play designs require is smart receivers, guys who can read defenses and adapt.  I think Diggs is one of those, and I think Shakir is one.  Kincaid looks like one, and Knox isn't bad either.  I think Samuel is one.  

 

And I think this is exactly the kind of guy that Reid likes on his team, a guy who can execute schemes with speed and who can catch the ball.  

 

I don't know Xs from Ys and slot guys and all that, but I don't think the physical differences in guys is what matters in those positions.   I think the modern passing game is largely about attacking the weaknesses in the defense, and that takes brains, not physique.   I like this signing.  And I don't think it means the Bills won't take a receiver in the first round.   What Samuel does is eliminate the NEED to go receiver early.  It gives Beane flexibility in the draft.  

 

And I'll go back to the point Transplant made in his thread.  This team is getting better.  Dodson, Settle, Jackson are losses, but they can be and will be replaced.  There'll still be some talent signed in free agency, and the draft will help.  

 

I like this team. 

[BruceVilanch]

Marquise Brown to the Chiefs.

[MrEpsYtown]

100% still draft a WR in the first round. Keep adding weapons. Samuel complements the WR group perfectly and doesn’t force them into a “type” of receiver. They have Diggs, Shakir, Samuel, Kincaid..all guys who add dimensions to the offense. Now you can just take the best receiver left. I like what they are doing. Call me crazy! Let’s outscore everyone. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

Samuel's ability to beat man coverage is one of the main things he brings to the Bills.  With the exception of Diggs, the WR room did not have this ability.  Samuel will be the guy that will deter defenses from blitzing with straight man to man behind it.  KC did that to the Bills in the playoffs and nobody could make them pay.  With 4.31 speed, two steps will mean some big plays.

[Dr. Who]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I want a big X receiver. Coleman or Legette for me. Not going to be unhappy with any WR they take in the 1st round though.

No, it was mainly a joke, but the idea of having another super fast guy is fun to contemplate.

I've said already till it's boring for others. I'd love to be able to get Thomas. I'd pay too much to get him. Beane won't.

My next on the wish list is Mitchell. I think he can be really good, and he might be within reach.

Then Legette, and Coleman for me in that order. You might be able to trade back a bit and still get Legette. Can't get a read on Coleman

and where he's likely to go.

 

I love the versatility Beane is infusing into the WR room, but they still need the big X. Those who are skeptical about that need are simply fooling themselves.

[TheBrownBear]

Can someone fill me in on why this is some great signing?  Guy has put up fairly pedestrian numbers in two different spots.  Not saying he won't be a contributor, but this giving me Jamison Crowder vibes.

[L Ron Burgundy]

Six to midnight.   Awesome!

[zevo]

3 hours ago, MAJBobby said:

 

I have a sneaky suspicion that this is going to change

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Can someone fill me in on why this is some great signing?  Guy has put up fairly pedestrian numbers in two different spots.  Not saying he won't be a contributor, but this giving me Jamison Crowder vibes.

Pedestrian QB’s throwing to him…👍

[MrEpsYtown]

1 minute ago, TheBrownBear said:

Can someone fill me in on why this is some great signing?  Guy has put up fairly pedestrian numbers in two different spots.  Not saying he won't be a contributor, but this giving me Jamison Crowder vibes.

I think it’s more John Brown-ish with more versatility in terms of how he is used. 

[Aussie Joe]

3 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Can someone fill me in on why this is some great signing?  Guy has put up fairly pedestrian numbers in two different spots.  Not saying he won't be a contributor, but this giving me Jamison Crowder vibes.

did you also see the part where they are only paying him $8m a year ?

 

Ridley got $23m a year yesterday…and Gabe $13m earlier …

You get what you pay for right … and they aren’t shopping on 5th Ave

 

 

Edited March 15 by Aussie Joe

[Buffalo716]

3 minutes ago, zevo said:

I have a sneaky suspicion that this is going to change

That must be super old because DK has multiple thousand yard seasons LOL

[Mat68]

2 minutes ago, Shaw66 said:

I just clicked in to see what people were saying about Samuel.  I don't know the league personnel very well, and I have no real opinion about Samuel as a player.  I'm sure I've seen him, but I don't remember any play he's ever made.  

 

However, my opinion about the signing, as soon as I looked at his career stats, was what you said (in bold) above.  This is a veteran receiver with physical skills (second round pick}.   He has a lot of playing time.  He must know the game.  

 

What I'm hoping for, and expecting, out of Brady is some sophisticated route designs that attack weaknesses in defenses from week to week.  What those play designs require is smart receivers, guys who can read defenses and adapt.  I think Diggs is one of those, and I think Shakir is one.  Kincaid looks like one, and Knox isn't bad either.  I think Samuel is one.  

 

And I think this is exactly the kind of guy that Reid likes on his team, a guy who can execute schemes with speed and who can catch the ball.  

 

I don't know Xs from Ys and slot guys and all that, but I don't think the physical differences in guys is what matters in those positions.   I think the modern passing game is largely about attacking the weaknesses in the defense, and that takes brains, not physique.   I like this signing.  And I don't think it means the Bills won't take a receiver in the first round.   What Samuel does is eliminate the NEED to go receiver early.  It gives Beane flexibility in the draft.  

 

And I'll go back to the point Transplant made in his thread.  This team is getting better.  Dodson, Settle, Jackson are losses, but they can be and will be replaced.  There'll still be some talent signed in free agency, and the draft will help.  

 

I like this team. 

The game has evolved past x, z and slot.  Samuel has the juice and skill set to play outside.  The advance metrics points to him being very effective in that role.  Diggs, Shakir and Samuel can line up anywhere.  So can Kincaid and Cook.  
 

In term of production I would point to his qbs.  Carolina and Washington have had bad qbs. I expect Samuel in a steady role has a career year.  He can do it all plus adds some of the gimmick plays and Debo Samuel stuff.  If they take a Wr in the Top 60 picks Buffalo will have the best Wr room Allen has played with.  

[BillMafia716ix]

They’ll get more out of Samuel than Denote Harty. Now with 9 WR’s already on the roster. I think WR in RD1 is no longer a slam dunk. Could see them trading down and taking a safety or interior OL.

[Warriorspikes51]

 

[CapeBreton]

5 hours ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

Excellent signing. Good RAC guy. Good hands as well. Upgraded.

I expect there will be lots of receptions at the LOS for this guy. They had Diggs receiving those throws late in the season and that’s not his game at all. 

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

4 minutes ago, TheBrownBear said:

Can someone fill me in on why this is some great signing?  Guy has put up fairly pedestrian numbers in two different spots.  Not saying he won't be a contributor, but this giving me Jamison Crowder vibes.

There is absolutely no comparison between Samuel and Crowder.  Samuel is a faster, bigger, stronger player.  He is a big play threat because of his ability to run after the catch.  Crowder was never a big play threat.  Samuel played a lot in the slot in Washington because Dotson and McLaurin don't.  He also played with very bad QB's.

[HappyDays]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

This is extremely defeatist of me, but I am concerned they are not going to learn their lesson about WR and the first round WR may not be coming now.

 

I'm hopeful this signing is evidence that they're targeting a big WR with their 1st pick. Size is the one element we are still missing. Diggs and Samuel can be moved around the formation and do a little bit of everything. We still need our true X receiver, and have him ready to step into Diggs' role in 2025.

 

Something I haven't seen anyone mention - Beane officially did not restructure Diggs' contract this season. I didn't expect him to, but the fact that he didn't means they are not confident Diggs will be on the team in 2025. They are going to prepare for his eventual exit.

[noacls]

With the 28th pick overall the Bills select Cooper DeJean. 🤣

Edited March 15 by noacls
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[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm hopeful this signing is evidence that they're targeting a big WR with their 1st pick. Size is the one element we are still missing. Diggs and Samuel can be moved around the formation and do a little bit of everything. We still need our true X receiver, and have him ready to step into Diggs' role in 2025.

 

Something I haven't seen anyone mention - Beane officially did not restructure Diggs' contract this season. I didn't expect him to, but the fact that he didn't means they are not confident Diggs will be on the team in 2025. They are going to prepare for his eventual exit.

🤐the Bills have until March 17th to trade him before his 18.5 cash bonus if we have any interest in doing so

[pennstate10]

55 minutes ago, NewEra said:

I like the move. He’s a playmaker and has speed.  We’re loaded underneath. Beane has been preaching RAC every offseason.  Now he has it.  Samuel, cook, kincaid, shakir are all explosive playmakers imo.  Knox and Diggs aren’t too shabby either. 
 

He’d be a fine signing for KC.  I’m sure Veach has something up his sleeve.  
 

He’s just not an X in many peoples opinion, mine included.  He’s best in the slot and we already have a young up and coming slot playing on a rookie contract. We have limited resources and I can understand people preferring to invest resources to fill and immediate hole.  Samuel is almost a luxury based on his skill set. Maybe those people are wrong and Samuel can fill the roll outside.  Brady will just have to get creative.  I suspect that we’ll be seeing some Mack Hollins playing more X than many think.  

Not sure that I'd place Kincaid or Shakir in the "explosive playmaker" class.

 

To be clear, I think these guys are both excellent players.  In the mid field (10-20 yd) range.  But not explosive play guys.

[Warriorspikes51]

Just now, pennstate10 said:

Not sure that I'd place Kincaid or Shakir in the "explosive playmaker" class.

 

To be clear, I think these guys are both excellent players.  In the mid field (10-20 yd) range.  But not explosive play guys.

Shakir actually is fairly explosive.  YAC.  Jets game.  Steelers playoffs.

[Florida Bills Fanatic]

3 hours ago, 90sBills said:

McDuffie locked up Deebo pretty good in the Superbowl so maybe that’s not a good thing? 😂 

Debo was playing hurt and was not 100%.  

[buffaloboyinATL]

31 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Nabers is worth it too IMO

Good call, probably true.  Definitely a great year for WR’s. 

[78thealltimegreat]

2 hours ago, DrMaxPower said:

Yeah, depending which WR have gone, I'd be ok with it personally. Bit of a risk but high ceiling at a priority position.

 

I think the general concensus would heartily disagree. 

Well he’s got that Penn state pedigree too he’s not Micah Parsons but he has a chance to be a 10 sack a year kinda guy 

[Warriorspikes51]

wait until Beane COOOOOKS up this baby

 

Trade Diggs before Sunday bonus + 4th + 6th to Houston for pick 23.

 

Draft night pick 23 & 28 to NYG at 6

Select Malik Nabers

 

Then trade 60 + 2025 1st & 2nd to SEA at 16

Select Brian Thomas Jr

 

F DEM PICKS!!!! 

 

🥳

Nabers

Thomas Jr

Samuel

Shakir

 

🤣

 

 

Edited March 15 by Warriorspikes51

[stevestojan]

Can someone tell me how I’m supposed to feel about this? I’m not reading 24 pages for work, much less for a FA signing. 

[BruceVilanch]

5 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Well he’s got that Penn state pedigree too he’s not Micah Parsons but he has a chance to be a 10 sack a year kinda guy 

Aaron Maybin had that pedigree too.

[damj]

8 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

Can someone tell me how I’m supposed to feel about this? I’m not reading 24 pages for work, much less for a FA signing. 

[stevestojan]

9 minutes ago, damj said:

Thank you. 
 

go bills. 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Well the good news for you is that we’ve disagreed with pretty much everything ever, and, to put it lightly, my track record has been better than yours.

How do?  Because the refs allowed Jawaan Taylor to hold Bosa the entire game?  Grats

36 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

Not sure that I'd place Kincaid or Shakir in the "explosive playmaker" class.

 

To be clear, I think these guys are both excellent players.  In the mid field (10-20 yd) range.  But not explosive play guys.

The TD vs the Steelers playoff game was certainly explosives.  Kincaid is certainly explosive when he catches and turns it upfield in one fluid motion.  I think we have different opinions of what explosive is. 

[CDogg20]

43 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

I'm hopeful this signing is evidence that they're targeting a big WR with their 1st pick. Size is the one element we are still missing. Diggs and Samuel can be moved around the formation and do a little bit of everything. We still need our true X receiver, and have him ready to step into Diggs' role in 2025.

 

Something I haven't seen anyone mention - Beane officially did not restructure Diggs' contract this season. I didn't expect him to, but the fact that he didn't means they are not confident Diggs will be on the team in 2025. They are going to prepare for his eventual exit.

Absolutely agree. We like to ease our rookies along usually and I think getting a first rounder in the wr room for a year before Diggs leaves is the plan. Good depth for this year but also good to let him sit and learn behind vets which we like to do. I think this will be Diggs last year in Buffalo IF we go wr in round 1, which I think we still will. 

[Chandler#81]

From a different perspective.

Edited March 15 by Chandler#81

[jkeerie]

53 minutes ago, BruceVilanch said:

Aaron Maybin had that pedigree too.

Good point.  I'm a Penn State alum and fan.  I hated when we drafted Maybin.  I knew he'd be a bust in the pros.

[transplantbillsfan]

6 hours ago, Steptide said:

I agree. Signing Samuel makes me think they'll only take one wr in the draft, which I'm ok with if they get a top prospect. No round 2 or 3 guys 

 

In this draft a round 2 WR might still be a future #1. I could see guys like Legette, Coleman and Franklin being picked up in the 2nd by Buffalo.

 

Deep draft. Round 1 or 2 and we should all be excited.

[Governor]

2 hours ago, BillMafia716ix said:

They’ll get more out of Samuel than Denote Harty. Now with 9 WR’s already on the roster. I think WR in RD1 is no longer a slam dunk. Could see them trading down and taking a safety or interior OL.

Beane gets these types of players so McD can go mostly defense in the draft. He’s done it most years. We won’t draft a WR1 until Diggs is gone the following year. There’s going to be some angry people on draft day. They will likely attempt to copy KC and draft a physical CB and safety.

 

Their goals of this draft:

 

-Get bigger

-only draft positions that develop quickly.

Edited March 15 by Governor

[Bangarang]

I think he's similar to Gabe in that he's better suited as a #3 or 4 WR but will not live up to being expected to be a legit #2.

[Turk71]

2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

Don’t see them going that high. I think Thomas is going in the teens and by teens I mean like 12-17. That would also require a 3rd rounder we don’t have which means we had to go 1st this year and 1st and 2nd next which I can’t see them doing 

I looked at a consensus mock draft today, 9 mock drafters ...Jeremiah , Walter, and a couple more names I recognized. They had Thomas at 50% going to the Bills at 28, with 2nd highest % chance that Legette is the pick. I was really surprised because most seem to think he'll be long gone.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/mock-draft-consensus.php

Would be incredible to get him without moving very far.

Edited March 15 by Turk71

[Dr. Who]

2 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

I think he's similar to Gabe in that he's better suited as a #3 or 4 WR but will not live up to being expected to be a legit #2.

He isn't a WR2, and I don't think he was signed to replace Davis. He's a nice piece if he's a #3 or #4.

I still expect WR2 is an early draft pick.

Just now, Turk71 said:

I looked at a consensus mock draft today, 9 mock drafters ...Jeremiah , Walter Campbell and a couple more names I recognized. They had Thomas at 50% going to the Bills at 28, with 2nd highest % chance that Mitchell is the pick. I was really surprised because most seem to think he'll be long gone.

https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/mock-draft-consensus.php

Would be incredible to get him without moving very far.

I'd be thrilled with either. I just don't believe Thomas is going to be there at #28 or really anywhere near there.