Dion Dawkins Value - Extend or Trade?

[Ya Digg?]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

What would you get for him?

Well considering someone thought Ryan Bates and his 35 snaps was worth more than a 5th, I’m thinking multiple 1st rounders 

[SoTier]

8 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate.

 

Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade?

 

a few things:

 

the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT?

 

how much $ would we save by trading Dion?

 

what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick.

 

I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here.  Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG.   Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional

 

again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return

 

Dawkins is better than a "solid" LT, and his "running his mouth" is maybe a 5 on a scale of trash talk.  Trade away a starting LT because he "runs his mouth"?????  Seriously?               

 

The Bills have real things to fix, but LT is NOT one of them thanks to having Dawkins.   Extend/restructure is a no-brainer.  You don't fix what's not broke.

[Matt_In_NH]

3 minutes ago, Ya Digg? said:

Well considering someone thought Ryan Bates and his 35 snaps was worth more than a 5th, I’m thinking multiple 1st rounders 

I dont agree but I would do that deal.  

2 minutes ago, SoTier said:

 

Dawkins is better than a "solid" LT, and his "running his mouth" is maybe a 5 on a scale of trash talk.  Trade away a starting LT because he "runs his mouth"?????  Seriously?               

 

The Bills have real things to fix, but LT is NOT one of them thanks to having Dawkins.   Extend/restructure is a no-brainer.  You don't fix what's not broke.

the cap situation is kind of broken.   
 

what logic did the chiefs use when they traded hill.  They fixed wr when it was not broke and it has worked out ok.  Not saying I think this is a great idea but you should listen to trades if teams are willing that don’t involve Josh Allen. 

[Steptide]

Gonna be a long off season with these posts.... 

[WhitewalkerInPhilly]

Extend. Dawkins a good to above average LT on a reasonable contract for his starting position. It's a no brainer. 

 

Next

[Gregg]

27 minutes ago, Steptide said:

Gonna be a long off season with these posts.... 

 

We have FA next week. Draft in April, and the schedule release in May. After that the offseason blows as it's a long wait until August. I even look forward to preseason football as it means they are playing games again. Granted they don't count, and the starters don't play but at least football is back again.

[SoTier]

1 hour ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I dont agree but I would do that deal.  

the cap situation is kind of broken.   
 

what logic did the chiefs use when they traded hill.  They fixed wr when it was not broke and it has worked out ok.  Not saying I think this is a great idea but you should listen to trades if teams are willing that don’t involve Josh Allen. 

 

Pumpkins to apples.   Dawkins is not a potential FA commanding top money at his position as Hill.  Furthermore, good LTs are significantly harder to find than good WRs.   More importantly, the Chiefs were able to work around the departure of Hill because they have one of the best OLs in the NFL.  A team can't have a good OL without having solid performers across the line.

[RyanC883]

guy is a bit overrated and basically cost us the KC game by getting blown up at a key point, that said he would create a hole u less we got a 1st round pick for hi. to use on a day 1 starter.  Since that won’t happen, I’d keep him without extending and draft a possible replacement.  

[LABILLBACKER]

10 hours ago, mrags said:

Careful your on a rough path that people will not agree with you on Dion. He’s the lovable fat guy so everyone likes him. 

He's not so loveable when he's adding bulletin board material. 

[Rigotz]

11 hours ago, mrags said:

Careful your on a rough path that people will not agree with you on Dion. He’s the lovable fat guy so everyone likes him. 

 

He's a great player at the most important position on Offense outside of QB.

 

He's also competitive and "nasty" which is what we always want until we have it. Now that's a problem because he's talking?

 

Any discussion of trading him is as ridiculous as talking about trading Josh. There's a reason nearly every poster on this board thinks it's a ridiculous idea. 

[BillsVet]

11 hours ago, John from Riverside said:

Regarding Dawkins the only thing that I would do as a team is, give him a mandate that he needs to come into camp in shape, and not use training camp to get himself in shape

 

Going to 370# during last off-season...yeah.  

 

Turning 30 soon, bad body, playing a position that demands mobility and in the final year of his contract...OBD would be wise to exercise caution.  

 

Have to project what he'll be versus what he's done which is typically the response on TBD.  He has to take his career more seriously and I'd expect he shows up in top shape for 2024 to win that next contract.  

[Billl]

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Someone like Dawkins should have a price beane is willing to part with him for.  Can you get a late first or second round pick you could replace him with on a cost controlled contract?   

Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

 

The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

3 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

Someone like Dawkins should have a price beane is willing to part with him for.  Can you get a late first or second round pick you could replace him with on a cost controlled contract?   

Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

 

The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

[sleeby]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

We have FA next week. Draft in April, and the schedule release in May. After that the offseason blows as it's a long wait until August. I even look forward to preseason football as it means they are playing games again. Granted they don't count, and the starters don't play but at least football is back again.

Might I direct your attention to the NY Yankees?  Looking like an interesting year ahead for them if their starting pitching stays healthy.  Games are much faster now too.

[Alphadawg7]

12 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate.

 

Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade?

 

a few things:

 

the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT?

 

how much $ would we save by trading Dion?

 

what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick.

 

I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here.  Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG.   Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional

 

again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return

 

Ill be honest...You lost me on the first line referring to him being "pretty solid".  That alone told me this post was going off the rails.  He is much better than "solid", he is a top 10 LT which do not grow on trees and get paid a ton of money because they are hard to find.  

 

Then you really sunk this ship bringing up VanDemark who would clearly be a drop off from Dion right now.

 

Finally, you reveal the truth of this bizarre thread to take help away from Josh by admitting this stems over you being upset over an IG post by Mahomes that leaves you salty as if Dion's comments were the reason we lost.  I mean was it Dion's comments that talked McD for going for a Fake Punt?  Was it Dion's comments that had Bernard and Milano out making the LB spot easy pickings all game for the KC offense?  Did Dion's comments cause Bass to miss the FG?  What about the Diggs bomb he dropped, was that because of something Dion said?

 

No disrespect dude...but people need to stop overreacting to every little thing these guys say.  They say much worse to each others faces all game long.  We lost by 3 because we beat ourselves again...its not like KC came in fueled on vengeance over a Dion comment and curb stomped us...our own mistakes sunk us like bad decisions, dropped passes, missed FG's, etc.  

 

So NO...we should not trade Dion because you don't like his comments.

[Gregg]

6 minutes ago, sleeby said:

Might I direct your attention to the NY Yankees?  Looking like an interesting year ahead for them if their starting pitching stays healthy.  Games are much faster now too.

 

Definitely the Yankees will help but I was just talking football only. The USFL/XFL merger league or whatever it is called will also help but it's not the NFL or even CFB quality. 

[JohnBonhamRocks]

Do you extend your very solid LT who is a pillar of the locker room? Yes.

 

Do you trade him away absent a GM giving you a Madden trade type of return?

 

[Nuncha]

11 hours ago, 947 said:

We FINALLY have a decent O-Line, no glaring holes, and all 5 starters coming back. No way I'd create another hole.

 

Do you guys not remember having Saffold?

Or Vlad Ducasse

[Charles Romes]

They need to have the Gouraige to move forward with younger developmental players. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

3 hours ago, Ya Digg? said:

Well considering someone thought Ryan Bates and his 35 snaps was worth more than a 5th, I’m thinking multiple 1st rounders 

 

Yeah.. he became primary backup center. But he was originally in the mix as a swing tackle and guard - but by the end of the year he was behind edwards and van de mark.  

 

Based on the title of the thread - moving bates means its more likely they keep morse and dawkins. I also think this is the draft for acquiring some depth at tackle and G/C with some of the extra draft capital.  

[KOKBILLS]

I would flat out be shocked if they did not extend Dawkins. 

 

They'll probably get a little home-town discount on him too...

[BADOLBILZ]

45 minutes ago, Billl said:

Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

 

The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

 

The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

 

 

The biggest factor in his trade value is that this is the best OL draft in decades.   If it were a bad draft, given the state of current OL play in the NFL then perhaps he does warrant better value than Brown(who was arriving with big contract demands, limited work at LT in a heavy run offense and wasn't/isn't as good of a pass blocker, the more important skill).    

 

But this season there are going to be guys late in round 1 who teams think will be as good or better than Dawkins in pretty short order.......and they can be had cheap and potentially for a long time.   Not a sellers market for OL.

[Billl]

13 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The biggest factor in his trade value is that this is the best OL draft in decades.   If it were a bad draft, given the state of current OL play in the NFL then perhaps he does warrant better value than Brown(who was arriving with big contract demands, limited work at LT in a heavy run offense and wasn't/isn't as good of a pass blocker, the more important skill).    

 

But this season there are going to be guys late in round 1 who teams think will be as good or better than Dawkins in pretty short order.......and they can be had cheap and potentially for a long time.   Not a sellers market for OL.

That's true as well.   That said, this OT class is very similar to the one when Brown was traded in that there were a few studs at the very top and then a ton of guys who were better fits at RT than LT.  Time being a flat circle and all, Kansas City is once again trying to solve for a LT, and there doesn't seem to be a great option that will be sitting there at the end of the first round.

[LeGOATski]

13 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Dion is a pretty solid starting LT and had a very good year overall last season. He seems like a quality teammate.

 

Should we Extend/Restructure or Trade?

 

a few things:

 

the Bills like Ryan VanDemark. Do they like him enough to see him as a starting OT?

 

how much $ would we save by trading Dion?

 

what would his value be in a trade? I’d guess a 2nd Round pick.

 

I’m annoyed by his antics of running his mouth. Mahomes was obviously told by a Chiefs staffer that Dion said “good luck” winning here.  Mahomes won and posted “good luck” on IG.   Dawkins has now continued his antics by trash talking the entire Jets DL who will likely be way too fired up when we face them. & to top it off, Dawkins got shoved into Josh at the worst possible time in the Divisional

 

again on the other hand, the OL as a whole had their best season in a long time. So it does seem unlikely the starters wouldn’t all return

There's nothing wrong with smack talk. And Dion says it to their face on the field, so it's not like the Jets DL hasn't heard it before.

 

Some of you guys are the biggest babies. You can't handle confrontation and that's okay. Just don't disparage the Bills for it.

[Matt_In_NH]

1 hour ago, Billl said:

Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

 

The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

Not a chance he brings back that much in a trade.  When the Ravens Orlando Brown Jr., he was thought of similarly to what Dawkins is today.  Brown was coming off consecutive pro bowl selections, but he was 5 years younger than Dawkins is currently and was still playing under a third round rookie contract paying him $3.4 million his first year with Kansas City.

 

The Ravens received the trade equivalent of pick 45 for him (Chiefs traded a first, third, and fourth for Brown, a second, and a sixth).  Dawkins will be 30 in April and has a $16.6 million cap hit next year which is the final of his current deal.  You're looking at probably a late third at best in compensation.  You only trade him if you're planning on a major rebuild, and OBD has given no indication that they intend to go that route 

You are repeating yourself and also redundant

 

I am not advocating for the trade, just saying there should be a price you would be willing to make a move.  You could easily be correct on what someone is willing to pay and I would not trade him for a late 3rd.  Beane should investigate all options if someone was interested in him.

[Big Turk]

He had his best season last year. I'm not in the business of trading quality LTs in their prime to create another hole on the OLine after we just got it set up nicely last year finally.

[Warriorspikes51]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

There's nothing wrong with smack talk. And Dion says it to their face on the field, so it's not like the Jets DL hasn't heard it before.

 

Some of you guys are the biggest babies. You can't handle confrontation and that's okay. Just don't disparage the Bills for it.

you do realize Dion said “good luck” to the chiefs in his press conference during the week. It was not regular on the field trash talk.  

[Gunsgoodtime]

19 hours ago, SCBills said:

I came into this thread furious as the prospect, but then you actually kind of won me over a bit … but no, he’s still very good.  
 

The Chiefs angle is frustrating.  I’m just so sick of guys not named Josh Allen, not stepping up.  I had forgotten all about him getting dog walked on that play. 
 

It would be hilarious to me if we need to clear cap space and instead of doing anything ever to sacrifice the tiniest bit on defense, we just start trading away Josh Allen’s protection. 

Well, here we are Bates gone 🤣🤣🤣

[FireChans]

I think on its face, it doesn’t sound that palatable, but there are some things to consider.

 

1. Dawkins is approaching the age where playing into shape becomes less and less viable. There aren’t a lot of fat old guys who are still playing at high level.

 

2. Spencer Brown’s contract status. Brown is younger and imo, more physically gifted than Dion, but obviously plays the less important position. If Brown plays as well as he did this year, imo he’s looking at top 5 RT money. I don’t think Beane and co can or even should pay BOTH guys. But I also don’t think Brown can play LT. Could be wrong, but that’s a lot of money to tie up in OT’s, and there’s only one guy who has a chance to play out a full 3 more years here. 
 

3. Josh Allen’s scrambling. As important as LT is, imo the importance of the position decreases the more guys like Josh and Mahomes scramble. You see teams play patty cake with the tackles making sure they don’t lose contain. Most tackles in the NFL can consider that an easy pass block win. I don’t think the difference between the top 10 and bottom 10 LT’s in the NFL has ever been less than it is right now because of it. 

[Low Positive]

I got an idea. Let’s trade everyone but Josh so that we can have TBDs ideal roster; 1 QB and 52 WRs. 

[FireChans]

1 minute ago, Low Positive said:

I got an idea. Let’s trade everyone but Josh so that we can have TBDs ideal roster; 1 QB and 52 WRs. 

Reading this topic is kinda funny. Never thought Dawkins was this untouchable asset that folks are up in arms about.

 

the only one on the Bills that is untouchable is Josh. Everyone else can and should have a price, particularly the older guys whose best days are likely behind them. There’s no lifetime achievement award.

[Buffalo716]

7 hours ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

you do realize Dion said “good luck” to the chiefs in his press conference during the week. It was not regular on the field trash talk.  

Who gives a *****

 

These are grown men and they talk trash on the field, off the field and on the golf course 

 

Josh Allen is one of the biggest trash talkers in the league

 

These are pros.. nothing Dion Dawkins can say could give them more motivation

 

A non confident man thinks Dion saying good luck will give the Chiefs some extra motivation...  If the Chiefs needed any extra motivation they wouldn't even be in that position

 

I want Dion and everybody to think they are unbeatable at home and I want them to be that confident

Edited March 6 by Buffalo716

[TheFunPolice]

let's see.. trade a very good to great LT, create a huge roster hole, then we can hear about how everything we need to help Josh Allen is a "luxury we can't afford" even more than we do now. 

 

In short, no. 

[Mat68]

This isnt madden franchise mode. Dawkins is very good.  Extend for cap relief.

[WotAGuy]

Extend him and cut his tongue out. Will end the talking and help with the tub of goo that he carries around. 

[papazoid]

extend or hold.....no trade

[colin]

i'd extend (2 years i recon) and spread that cap hit out.

[LeGOATski]

On 3/5/2024 at 3:29 PM, Warriorspikes51 said:

you do realize Dion said “good luck” to the chiefs in his press conference during the week. It was not regular on the field trash talk.  

Oh my GOSH!!!! How dare he!!!

 

[Matt_In_NH]

So Dawkins is currently 15th in AAV at $14.575M.  Next year is his last on his current deal.  What do people see for his extension, years, guaranteed and AAV?  I think his agent will be looking to get him to top 5 given his string of Pro Bowl's, that would put him around $20M AAV.    Unless he is willing to sign for something closer to where he is now, I am not doing a new deal with him but he is tough, he has missed one game in 7 years but you dont pay for the past, you pay for the future.  What are people willing to sign up for?   I think I would let this year play out unless he was willing to take less than he is reasonably able to demand.

 

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