Buffalo_Stampede Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 9 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Please god yes 2 2 6 10 3 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I know people are gonna joke here, but I don't want a DC in the division who knows Allen that well and can tell McDaniels about what he expects McDermott to do. 12 1 16 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Whkfc Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Can they roll over anymore than they already do when the pressure is on? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Yeah he TOTALLY left Buffalo of his own free will. 1 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I think fraiser takes alot of unnecessary flack. I know he was super frustrating at times, but the outcome this year was no different without him 9 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Albany,n.y. Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Bruffalo said: I know people are gonna joke here, but I don't want a DC in the division who knows Allen that well and can tell McDaniels about what he expects McDermott to do. Has anyone been able to stop Josh other than himself? When Josh has a bad game, it's rarely, if ever, because of the opponent's DC. 1 4 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 minute ago, Steptide said: I think fraiser takes alot of unnecessary flack. I know he was super frustrating at times, but the outcome this year was no different without him I dont think we make the playoffs if Frazier is the DC. The D was more aggressive this year which lead to turnovers that won us games, when the offense left the D for dead. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Didn’t Fangio run a 3-4 whereas Frazier’s defense is more of a 4-3? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: The D was more aggressive this year which lead to turnovers Just fyi. We averaged 30 turnovers forced under Frazier in 2021 and 27 in 2022. We had 30 turnovers this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 5 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Has anyone been able to stop Josh other than himself? When Josh has a bad game, it's rarely, if ever, because of the opponent's DC. The Giants game. The Jets more so than anyone else, but you do have a point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 4 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Didn’t Fangio run a 3-4 whereas Frazier’s defense is more of a 4-3? Yes. Leslie is a good coach though. He'd be a good hire for Miami. And their personnel is pretty transferrable for the most part. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roundybout Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, GunnerBill said: Yes. Leslie is a good coach though. He'd be a good hire for Miami. And their personnel is pretty transferrable for the most part. Wonder how that will help a guy like Chubb who shined in the OLB role. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Frazier’s a good man and solid DC. That doesn’t mean we should be “concerned” if he goes to Miami. And by the way…as accurately stated by many of us, Leslie’s “year off” was the softest firing ever. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 13 minutes ago, Einstein said: Yeah he TOTALLY left Buffalo of his own free will. I don't see how this disproves that theory? Who knows what happened. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 I get that the funny and popular thing to do amongst many Bills fans is to poke fun at Leslie Frazier or act as if he isn't/wasn't a good DC. While he certainly wasn't perfect and his basic defenses and lack of disguise sometimes frustrated me, let's look at the facts: Buffalo Bills ranking in points per game allowed by year under Leslie Frazier: 2019: 2nd 2020: 14th 2021: 1st 2022: 4th Now, the Bills defense did finish 4th in points per game allowed this year, indicating that Frazier shouldn't garner all the praise for the defensive success with this roster. On the flip side, the blame that gets thrown Frazier's way for the defense turning to paper tigers once the playoffs hit, well...guess what? That happened again this year (and yes, obviously the injuries played a part). Bottom line: Leslie Frazier is one of the best and most respected teachers, leaders, and defensive minds in the NFL for a reason. I won't lose any sleep if he becomes the Dolphins' defensive coordinator, but I certainly won't be chuckling or praying for it to happen, either. 8 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 16 minutes ago, Back2Buff said: I dont think we make the playoffs if Frazier is the DC. The D was more aggressive this year which lead to turnovers that won us games, when the offense left the D for dead. Ya I definitely think McDermott got the most out of this defense possible, and most likely McDermott is probably a better DC than Fraizer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eastport bills Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Sounds like a move that weakens Miami after having Fangio, who was hamstrung by injuries. Frazier a good coach but he was too bend don’t break for my taste and never brought extra pressure, wanting extra DBs. If you have a dominant front that’s fine, but good QBs carve you up with time to operate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 They also interviewed Babs. WE SEE WHAT YOUR DOING MCDANIELS! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 6 minutes ago, Process said: I don't see how this disproves that theory? Who knows what happened. The theory was that Frazier was done being a DC and would only accept a HC job. The whole taking a year off thing was just code for fired-without-having-the-label-of-fired IMO. Aka, McDermott has such respect for Frazier that he allowed him to leave gracefully. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheWeatherMan Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 15 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Yes. Leslie is a good coach though. He'd be a good hire for Miami. And their personnel is pretty transferrable for the most part. As long as there is less than 13 seconds left…Leslie is your man! 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Just now, Einstein said: The theory was that Frazier was done being a DC and would only accept a HC job. The whole taking a year off thing was just code for fired-without-having-the-label-of-fired IMO. Aka, McDermott has such respect for Frazier that he allowed him to leave gracefully. He’s done that with a few of his coaches too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 19 minutes ago, Roundybout said: Wonder how that will help a guy like Chubb who shined in the OLB role. He can play as a defensive end too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlCowlingsTaxiService Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 23 minutes ago, Einstein said: Just fyi. We averaged 30 turnovers forced under Frazier in 2021 and 27 in 2022. We had 30 turnovers this season. Just stop. Actual data and statistics aren’t good for those with preconceived narratives 😂 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 7 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: He’s done that with a few of his coaches too. I still don’t know what in the world happened with Chad Hall. Did he not want to be back? Did we not want him back? Weird situation: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 35 minutes ago, Albany,n.y. said: Has anyone been able to stop Josh other than himself? When Josh has a bad game, it's rarely, if ever, because of the opponent's DC. I disagree. Josh has bad games sometimes when the receivers just aren't getting open. The opposing DC might have something to do with that. And he has bad games sometimes when he's under duress. Again, the DC is part of that. Of course, there are other games when the DC seems to have a competent game plan, but Josh succeeds anyway because of his ability to make unlikely plays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Our defensive scheme is meant to defend against our offensive scheme. I'm not overly concerned, but I'm also not celebrating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Miami would be much better with him than they were with Fangio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 It’s getting comical now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon in Pasadena Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 When the Bills ‘part ways” with a coach, he is free to sign with any other team including the other three in the AFC East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 (edited) 49 minutes ago, Steptide said: I think fraiser takes alot of unnecessary flack. I know he was super frustrating at times, but the outcome this year was no different without him Not an apples to apples comparison. The last time Frazer was the DC against KC in the playoffs the defense gave up 42 points, including 17 points in the final 2 min of the game and OT. This year the defense was missing a lot and still amongst the league leaders in sacks, interceptions, takeaways, and point differential and held KC in the playoffs to 27 points including holding KC to no points the final 2 KC drives before Buffalo missed both the go ahead TD followed by the missed game tying FG try. And this defense fielded guys off the street at LB against a team who makes a living attacking LB's offensively. And even then, if not for Dawkins stepping on Allens foot on the 2nd and 9 play, we go up 4 and might have won the game. Not to mention the Shefield dropps, Diggs monster drop, etc. So...not the same result of watching a Frazier led D crap the bed in the post season IMHO. Edited January 29 by Alphadawg7 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 17 minutes ago, Einstein said: I still don’t know what in the world happened with Chad Hall. Did he not want to be back? Did we not want him back? Weird situation: Probably both. If there was truth to McD being upset with the coach/player boundaries, they both may have opted to part ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nextmanup Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 44 minutes ago, Process said: I don't see how this disproves that theory? Who knows what happened. The story was that he needed a year off and was planning to come back in 2024.... If he left on his own accord and is welcome in Buffalo, why isn't he coming to Buffalo? Why is he looking for a job in Miami? Actually, this does disprove the theory. IT was pure BS in the first place; can't imagine anyone actually believed it. Lots of fans don't have much experience in the corporate world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 17 minutes ago, wppete said: It’s getting comical now. Hope he is charging like $250k per interview … 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoHuddleKelly12 Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Bruffalo said: I know people are gonna joke here, but I don't want a DC in the division who knows Allen that well and can tell McDaniels about what he expects McDermott to do. In fairness, he also knew about Mahomes pretty well and that didn’t help stop KC all that much…🤷🏼♂️ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 Whelp obvios joke. Frasier: Nobody is better at stopping Playoff Fire God Josh Allen than me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 31 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said: Hope he is charging like $250k per interview … I think He for sure is getting payed to just go through the process. Embarrassing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted January 29 Share Posted January 29 1 hour ago, Roundybout said: Didn’t Fangio run a 3-4 whereas Frazier’s defense is more of a 4-3? Yes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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