Bass manned up and spoke to the media. Diggs dissapeared during playoffs, then ducked the media

[Alphadawg7]

3 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

The point is it should be discussed, but if someone says lies or gives misinformation it too should be called out. But Diggs past or future contracts or past or current behavior doesn’t get him a pass for any actions or behavior. And to think as some here try to imply, us in this forum discussing his behavior will somehow hurt his feelings, sorry that has zero effect on how he feels about the Bills.

I hope he gets back to where he was, I don’t know if he was injured in some way, it certainly looked like it. But with his contract the Bills need better production, and mentally I think he needs to be able to provide it to be happy with himself and the team. 

 

I never once mentioned Diggs reading this forum, so not sure why you keep mentioning that.  

 

I simply asked why do people keep trying to force a negative narrative every time Diggs doesnsomething that he always does.  Never seen a player whose every move is always being tried to be twisted into something negative.  Him not talking to the press after the game is 100% normal.  He normally does not talk to the press after the game, especially after hard losses like this one.  

 

But here people are acting like its abnormal and a bad sign and he is a bad person for doing the same thing he has always done and that MANY players do.  its ridiculous.  

Edited January 23 by Alphadawg7

[HappyDays]

11 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

The narrative some people want to create just isn;t there, and its sad to see the Bills fan always looking for a reason to turn on him rather than understand him.  

 

I really don't care about what he does off the field. His on-field performance this year was not up to his standards, that is what I actually care about. But my point is that you can't act dumbfounded when fans and the media question Diggs' behavior. He has brought that on himself. You can't just pretend the narrative isn't there... And every new instance of questionable behavior is going to be folded into the narrative. That's how it always works in any public arena.

 

So hey if the new version of Diggs' public persona is the Invisible Man I have zero issues with that. But it is going to take time for him to build up some credit and prove that he is not the type of person who only publicly criticizes others, never himself. Diggs has to be the one to change that narrative.

 

Edited January 23 by HappyDays

[Freak-O]

7 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

The defense is why we lost that game.  Atrocious and embarrassing performance by them.

 

Didn’t Evans cause an INT in the first quarter of their game against Detroit?

I might agree with this had it been our starters out there, but it was a severely wounded outfit we put on the field in this game and they did well enough to give us a chance to win. Calling it “atrocious and embarrassing” is just silly, and embarrassing. 

[KeLLy1278]

7 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Why do you care if he talks to the media? Does Diggs come harass you when you have a bad day at work or don’t feel like talking to people? 

Diggs is mentally weak.. it’s obvious.  He lacked the concentration to make a catch on one of three deep throws he was targeted on.  No it is not all on him but he added to the issues this team had that lead to the loss.  Postgame he decided to take the ball and go home like a little boy.  His decision.  The fans and the media can make a decision on how they feel about him too.  One thing is for sure.  If this team is looking for leadership, they won’t find it with Stefan Diggs.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Well he sure ain't that anymore. You're good until you aren't. And on top of that McD doesn't even trust him anymore outside of 50 yards. That speaks volumes. 

That’s what he told you?

[Aussie Joe]

35 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Bass was a perfect 9/9 in his career when tied or trailing by 3 points or less with less than 2 minutes left or OT.

 

Let that marinate.

We know he has been good previously … hence why they paid him ...

It’s about where the is at the moment and whether he can get over it ..

 

I think his troubles are more than “a bad day at the office”.. He has been shaky for some weeks now..
 

I hope he gets over it … 

 

 

[Beast]

35 minutes ago, gmcintos99 said:

 

No one better is available.

Nobody is better than Joe Brady? Well I guess they better open up their wallet because there are a lot of openings around the league for OC and if nobody is better, Brady will be able to name his price.

[harmonkillebrew]

I don't care if he talks to the media afterwards, but I do care that he shows up on the field. 

He's done. We need a WR room overhaul this year. Invest in guys that can make plays down the field, to take advantage of Josh's cannon. Diggs can stay on, but at a reduced rate, although I'm not sure we have an out or much negotiating power without a big cap hit.

 

 

[Matt_In_NH]

I heard he was 'this close' to talking to the media.

[stevestojan]

The fact is dude spent so much time with cryptic messages on Twitter and then when his number is called (aka he is gift wrapped a PERFECT 60 yard pass) he quite literally dropped the ball. 
 

He wanted the ball. He got it. And he ***** dropped it. Then got up and did his “so close” gesture. 

But we’re stuck with him. So no point crying over spilled milk. 
 

 

 

[All_Pro_Bills]

2 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

The fact is dude spent so much time with cryptic messages on Twitter and then when his number is called (aka he is gift wrapped a PERFECT 60 yard pass) he quite literally dropped the ball. 
 

He wanted the ball. He got it. And he ***** dropped it. Then got up and did his “so close” gesture. 

But we’re stuck with him. So no point crying over spilled milk. 
 

 

 

Diggs - 2024 season $27,854,00 cap hit, dead cap hit $31,096,000

[KeLLy1278]

6 minutes ago, Matt_In_NH said:

I heard he was 'this close' to talking to the media.

Best comment I’ve read all day! Ha!

[SoCal Deek]

5 minutes ago, All_Pro_Bills said:

Diggs - 2024 season $27,854,00 cap hit, dead cap hit $31,096,000

Does he get paid more if he actually catches the football? (Asking for a friend.)

[Patrick Duffy]

7 hours ago, boyst said:

Why do so many people not care about Diggs? Disrespect him? Think so poorly of him?

 

Go to a game. He is on the field warming up with as much passion as anyone. He talks to the crowd, he makes the game special for many people - especially children. The dude wears his heart on his sleeve for each game and remains a higher end talent at WR.

 

It's weird - especially because he is the only WR we have going into next season.

 

It may seem that way now, but I wouldn't be shocked if something happens and he won't be.

[bigduke6]

i really dont get this Sherfield hate.  he didnt drop that long pass,  he only had ONE ARM to catch with.  if you actually watch the replay,  its a clear foul on the Chefs CB.  obviously not called,  but hey,  Sherfield is baaaaaad right?

 

things didnt go our way,  time to whine and cry about every little dropped pass,  penalty,  etc, etc, etc.  line up the whipping boys,  fans need something to B word about.  pathetic.

Edited January 23 by bigduke6

[Johnnycage46]

8 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Why do you care if he talks to the media? Does Diggs come harass you when you have a bad day at work or don’t feel like talking to people? 

I can say for me, he does NOT.  I don't even think he knows where I work.

[Unforgiven]

Diggs is washed.

[Peter]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Actually sounds more like your narrative and your biased agenda towards an apparent dislike of Diggs.  You literally are now just making up that Stefon was involved despite literally no evidence of that on or off the field.  

 

Again...what do you get out of just making up narratives to tear people down?  I mean his brother tweeted it out while Stefon was STILL ON THE FIELD.  But I guess in your mind it makes more sense that him and his brother got together with a premeditated plan for Treyvon to tweet these pre planned things out that him and Stef came up with if there was ever a moment where the Bills were upset in a loss.  Somehow this makes more sense to you than his brother just spouting off his own thoughts live in the game.  

 

Its amazing to me how little actual logic is considered when people make up these narratives. 

 

Interesting take. 

 

Blind but interesting take.

 

As for you accusation that I am biased against Diggs: I actually really liked the guys until he started acting like a diva last off season and especially when his brother started with his BS. Again, if you don't think his brother had full authority to say what he said, that is your prerogative. 

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Interesting take. 

 

Blind but interesting take.

 

As for you accusation that I am biased against Diggs: I actually really liked the guys until he started acting like a diva last off season and especially when his brother started with his BS. Again, if you don't think his brother had full authority to say what he said, that is your prerogative. 

 

So where is your evidence that Stefon...while on the field still...contacted his brother and gave him the OK to tweet that?  Did Diggs have a hidden cell phone in his jock to make contact with his brother?  Was it sign language signals on TV?  Or are you suggesting the two brothers got together prior to the game and said if there is an upset loss go ahead and start the tweeting?  

 

I mean...at the very least explain how stefon was involved in those tweets while still on the field when they happened.  Otherwise, you are flat out inventing a narrative to support the bias you now have as you so put from your perception of last offseason. 

Edited January 23 by Alphadawg7

[QCity]

His stats from the last 3 Divisional Playoff losses:

 

2022: 3 rec for 7yds
2023: 4 rec for 35yds
2024: 3 rec for 21yds

 

Hasn't scored a playoff TD in 4 years. Easy to see why he ducks the media every year.

[Beck Water]

Prefer direct quote of source to NY Post

 

Cameron Wolfe is legit, a reporter for NFL Network

 

"Cameron Wolfe @CameronWolfe National NFL reporter, @NFLNetwork

.

[Peter]

38 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

So where is your evidence that Stefon...while on the field still...contacted his brother and gave him the OK to tweet that?  Did Diggs have a hidden cell phone in his jock to make contact with his brother?  Was it sign language signals on TV?  Or are you suggesting the two brothers got together prior to the game and said if there is an upset loss go ahead and start the tweeting?  

 

I mean...at the very least explain how stefon was involved in those tweets while still on the field when they happened.  Otherwise, you are flat out inventing a narrative to support the bias you now have as you so put from your perception of last offseason. 

 

Even I think you are smarter than that.

 

Clearly, they have conversations all the time. They are very close. If you really think that Trevon Diggs does not know what Stefon thinks, I cannot help you? If you really think that Trevon would post something that he thought would upset Stefon, I also cannot help you.

 

You also will recall that when S. Diggs was asked about this in a press conference, he was very careful how he responded. If my recollection is correct (and I invite you to correct me if I am wrong), Stefon never responded that he disagree with what Trevon posted. He merely tried to claim that he does not control his brother.  

 

Just my two cents.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

Prefer direct quote of source to NY Post

 

Cameron Wolfe is legit, a reporter for NFL Network

 

"Cameron Wolfe @CameronWolfe National NFL reporter, @NFLNetwork

.

I was ALWAYS told, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say nothing at all!! Everyone knows how emotional Stefon is after a loss. Do they just want to create Twitter fodder? 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

9 hours ago, uticaclub said:

Diggs declined to talk to the media after they beat Pittsburgh too. Diggs will be in the NFL next year, Bass might not

 

Diggs may be at best a number 2 receiver next year. At best.

 

[Beck Water]

Just now, Solomon Grundy said:

I was ALWAYS told, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say nothing at all!! Everyone knows how emotional Stefon is after a loss. Do they just want to create Twitter fodder? 

 

Turning this around - the man is 30 years old and a Captain on the team.  OK, he couldn't handle it after the loss, but 24 hrs afterwards, on locker cleanout day, he can't manage to face the press with a few phrases the PR people could help him craft if he asked, without "twitter fodder"?

 

Sorry, I don't buy the exculpation that Stefon is just somehow so super more emotional and pissed about losing that he just can't fulfil his NFL-mandated media responsibilities.  If we're trying to say that Stefon somehow hates losing or is more emotional about it than Josh or Bass, I think that's balogna.

 

It reminds me of Tom Brady running off the field without shaking hands because supposedly he so super specially hates losing more than anyone else he just can't be a good sport.

[BCAS Baritone]

5 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said:

I was ALWAYS told, if you don't have anything nice to say don't say nothing at all!! Everyone knows how emotional Stefon is after a loss. Do they just want to create Twitter fodder? 

Well, creating twitter fodder is basically their job description.

[Alphadawg7]

11 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Even I think you are smarter than that.

 

Clearly, they have conversations all the time. They are very close. If you really think that Trevon Diggs does not know what Stefon thinks, I cannot help you? If you really think that Trevon would post something that he thought would upset Stefon, I also cannot help you.

 

You also will recall that when S. Diggs was asked about this in a press conference, he was very careful how he responded. If my recollection is correct (and I invite you to correct me if I am wrong), Stefon never responded that he disagree with what Trevon posted. He merely tried to claim that he does not control his brother.  

 

Just my two cents.

 

Just feels like a leap in logic, which is my 2 cents.  His brother has been tweeting about getting Diggs to Dallas for years, yet Diggs still signed an extension to stay here.  So I just think you are reading too much into Treyvon doing what he has always done since Diggs basically got here where he has been tweeting for his brother to leave Buffalo.  

 

Treyvons words don't match Stefon's actions. So feels like a leap to assume this one time they suddenly do.  

[Beck Water]

9 minutes ago, Peter said:

 

Even I think you are smarter than that.

 

Clearly, they have conversations all the time. They are very close. If you really think that Trevon Diggs does not know what Stefon thinks, I cannot help you? If you really think that Trevon would post something that he thought would upset Stefon, I also cannot help you.

 

You also will recall that when S. Diggs was asked about this in a press conference, he was very careful how he responded. If my recollection is correct (and I invite you to correct me if I am wrong), Stefon never responded that he disagree with what Trevon posted. He merely tried to claim that he does not control his brother.  

 

Just my two cents.

 

I'll partially correct you with regard to what Diggs said in his press conference.  He said that he did NOT talk to his brother about it.  He said that his brother was speaking as a fan.

 

Quote

"I haven't had a personal conversation with him," Stefon Diggs said. "My brother is watching football right now. He's not playing too much. Obviously, he's coming from more of a fan perspective, but that is my family. So, I handle my family with the utmost respect, and I always hope that people treat it that way.

 

He also said he wants to retire a Bill:

 

Quote

"I really sat down and kind of everybody here around training camp and felt like I nipped it in the bud as to how I felt or what I was feeling," Diggs said. "But here we are again. Here we are revisiting a topic about how I feel. I play with confidence. I go in with confidence. I prepare each and every week. I've always been a professional.

"I've never really said anything about being unhappy or any instance of that. So, when you're drawing conclusions as to stuff I've never said, that's what kind of troubles me because it kind of throws a wrench in it. It kind of creates chaos where I haven't created. Chaos created around me, whereas I just been in the same space, I've been in the same place, and I've spoken true words. I've said the same thing over and over and over. So, when you draw a conclusion as to how I feel in my foreseeable future here, I've never said anything, but I was a Buffalo Bill.

 

That pretty much seems like refuting it, without perhaps wanting to come out and say "my brother don't know what he's talking about"

 

To recap what Diggs said around training camp:

Quote

At that time, Diggs reaffirmed his desire to retire as a Bill and said that "forcing my way out of anywhere is not my goal. I don't feel like I have to at this point. I feel like I'm in a great space, a great place, I'm loved, and I'm appreciated. At the end of the day, that's all I want. That's all anybody would want in any job that you do."

 

[uticaclub]

13 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

 

Diggs may be at best a number 2 receiver next year. At best.

 

I'm hoping he was playing with an injury and returns to form next year, but he'll still be playing

[Meatloaf63]

2 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

I never once mentioned Diggs reading this forum, so not sure why you keep mentioning that.  

 

I simply asked why do people keep trying to force a negative narrative every time Diggs doesnsomething that he always does.  Never seen a player whose every move is always being tried to be twisted into something negative.  Him not talking to the press after the game is 100% normal.  He normally does not talk to the press after the game, especially after hard losses like this one.  

 

But here people are acting like its abnormal and a bad sign and he is a bad person for doing the same thing he has always done and that MANY players do.  its ridiculous.  

Probably confusing side discussions with Karlos about the same topic. But to say Diggs never talks or talked to the press it takes two seconds to google Diggs interviews, and a whole bunch will pop up. So he does them when he feels like it, and doesn’t when he doesn’t. If you’re willing to talk about the good times you should be able to talk about the bad. I get it, he is emotional and probably better he keeps it to himself in the tough times. But that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be discussed here.

[Alphadawg7]

40 minutes ago, Meatloaf63 said:

Probably confusing side discussions with Karlos about the same topic. But to say Diggs never talks or talked to the press it takes two seconds to google Diggs interviews, and a whole bunch will pop up. So he does them when he feels like it, and doesn’t when he doesn’t. If you’re willing to talk about the good times you should be able to talk about the bad. I get it, he is emotional and probably better he keeps it to himself in the tough times. But that doesn’t mean it shouldn’t be discussed here.

 

I didn't say he never talks to the media, I said he never talks to the media after playoff losses.  He declined last week too even in a win.  

 

Again, nothing against talking about him, just find it weird so many people try and twist everything he does to make him be someone he has proven he is not.

[Nextmanup]

I agree Diggs did not have a good game against KC, but he's definitely a real #1.

 

Having said that, there are a few things he doesn't do well, like physically dominate space and out-muscle guys for the ball, or run after he catches the ball.  Though the latter is often a result of how and when Josh is throwing the ball.

 

Josh often throw to wide open guys standing at a dead stop.  You ain't gonna get any YAC with that.

 

I'm annoyed by Diggs right now, but he's still like a top 3 or 5 receiver IMO.

 

I'd trade him in 2 milliseconds for Jefferson though, but that trade ain't gonna happen for obvious reasons.

 

 

[Pete]

10 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones Mr hypocrite 

Edited January 23 by Pete

[Starr Almighty]

10 hours ago, boyst said:

harty is JAG.

Shorter was not called up when we were desperate at WR.

Shakir is a slot who should stay a slot @ #3 - that's not an insult. It's where he thrives.

right? and wouldn't that frustrate someone who is remotely aware? i'm sure he's frustrated with everything because i'm sure he understands where he is and where the team is.

 

 

further - thinking Shakir can just suddenly burst up to the #2 WR is a bit much.

Shakir was drafted to replace Cole and from the looks of it he may be able to settle into that role. He's a slot not a 2.

[frostbitmic]

8 hours ago, Bermuda Triangle said:

Diggs had a bad drop, no doubt.

 

But this was a historically inept defensive performance.  Do you know how many times in the past 25 years a defense forced fewer than 5 3rd down plays (as the Bills did on Sunday)?

I think the failure on the fake punt was actually a blessing in disguise, they didn't score following that play due to fumbling it out of the end zone ... if the Bills punted the Chiefs would've walked 80 yards down the field in 4 plays and score.

[Gunsgoodtime]

2 hours ago, QCity said:

His stats from the last 3 Divisional Playoff losses:

 

2022: 3 rec for 7yds
2023: 4 rec for 35yds
2024: 3 rec for 21yds

 

Hasn't scored a playoff TD in 4 years. Easy to see why he ducks the media every year.

That's some crazy #1 WR stats there.  He dropped 1 pass (not the only one)  that would have accumulated more yards than the 3 whole games of production that he actually has.  Awful, add in the immature sideshow he brings with him, he just ain't worth it anymore.  And for the move Shakir to 2 wr folks, you do realize he is playing as expected now per his draft position, his emergence is from lack of other recievers that can catch a football.  We need a major overhaul at the WR position, with only Shakir playing like he deserves a job.  Moving him up the depth chart is a failing strategy of not bringing in adequate competition, the exact the Bills have done the last 2 years with Gabe Davis. The goal should be to get better players, not move people up the depth chart because you are unwilling to bring in real talent at the position 

[Punching Bag]

11 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Leadership = talking to media that has made up bull#### about you all year? What’s cowardly and pathetic is running to a message board to talk trash about another person that you don’t know and are clearly wrong about. 

 

Give those who are supposed to talk to media a "M".  

 

Diggs is a very emotional player - when Bills lose he has hard dealing with it and when he talks to media with pointed questions he will not represent the Bills well and would rather not do so.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Turning this around - the man is 30 years old and a Captain on the team.  OK, he couldn't handle it after the loss, but 24 hrs afterwards, on locker cleanout day, he can't manage to face the press with a few phrases the PR people could help him craft if he asked, without "twitter fodder"?

 

Sorry, I don't buy the exculpation that Stefon is just somehow so super more emotional and pissed about losing that he just can't fulfil his NFL-mandated media responsibilities.  If we're trying to say that Stefon somehow hates losing or is more emotional about it than Josh or Bass, I think that's balogna.

 

It reminds me of Tom Brady running off the field without shaking hands because supposedly he so super specially hates losing more than anyone else he just can't be a good sport.

It's been 48 hours and I'm still pissed about the game. I don't play for the Bills and I don't gamble. I've yet to watch any sports highlight shows reporting about the game. I've only been on TBD and listening to WGR on my way to work. I'm the biggest sore loser but hide it very well. I've been watching cowboy movies only since the loss😅

[BillsFan2313]

12 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Why do you think you can treat people differently because of their job?  Do you treat people differently because of their religion or race? 

 

[Dablitzkrieg]

12 hours ago, Not at the table Karlos said:

Why do you think you can treat people differently because of their job?  Do you treat people differently because of their religion or race? 

This comparison is amazing.  Ignorant, stupid, but amazing