Roundybout Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, LarryMadman said: Ahhhh yes, the old excuse wagon again. You don’t think having to rely on ancient AJ Klein was a problem? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I really needed to take the night to process all of this at the end of the day, the defensive injuries were just too hard to overcome. We were playing back ups at several positions, not one or two, but several the only part of our defense that was intact was our line. We were playing back up in the secondary and the linebacker positions multiple places We forced one punt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Did you see the garbage, aging, and slow defense out there? No team is going deep in the playoffs with that No. I saw a patchwork, aging, semi-injuried group of mostly second stringers trying to piece together a win. So cut some slack. Edited January 23 by Blackbeard 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 The defense has let him down and it isn't just bad luck. Bad luck is what happened to Marty Schottenheimer over the years with Ernest Byner and Marlon McCree fumbling away victories. What we witnessed over the last four playoff losses isn't bad luck. They have been complete failures in defensive game planning and/or execution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Roundybout said: You don’t think having to rely on ancient AJ Klein was a problem? It wasn’t just pulling Klein off the couch. He was also hurt during the game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Georgia Bill Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 8 hours ago, Billever76 said: Meanwhile bill belichick is out there for the taking....Bill would win multiple superbowls with Josh allen No way is Belichick going to coach in the AFC East. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 “Why can’t McD win with all this ?” Because he’s an average HC and a decent d coordinator who lucked into having a once in a generation talent at QB and is holding on for dear life making every excuse in the book to keep this job before he never gets a chance like this again. In the meantime we have to watch the best player our franchise has ever had settle for mediocrity around him because ownership is ok with just making the playoffs and winning the division year in and year out (which is great if you didn’t have the above mentioned superstar unbelievable talent at QB that any HC in the world would give their left nut to coach) and of course Beane is going to spin it that we’re on the rise and next year will be the year because he doesn’t have the balls to call out his buddy that got him the job…why’s that Beane? Because ultimately he probably feels if McD goes the new coach is going to bring in his own GM. 🤷🏻♂️ 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryMadman Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Just now, Roundybout said: You don’t think having to rely on ancient AJ Klein was a problem? Lol, than he shouldn't have used Klein, no? Was there or was there not other options, players, game plan etc, he's the defensive mastermind right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JMM Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Again, until this year I was a big McDermott supporter. But you look at that, and the stat of only team with 58 wins over 5 years with no SB, it simply SCREAMS that's on coaching. Doesn't it?? 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Ever think maybe the players failed the coach? Just ever? 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 minute ago, Blackbeard said: No. I saw a patchwork, aging, semi-injuried group of mostly second stringers trying to piece together a win. S. T. F. U. Evidently the six game winning streak when our offense couldn't score enough points so our D and special teams helped are long forgotten... if we make that FG and win the game all of this is moot. People are acting like the Chiefs kicked our as*es and it's ridiculous. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wayne Arnold Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, Dablitzkrieg said: Did you see the garbage, aging, and slow defense out there? No team is going deep in the playoffs with that There's always someone to rush to the front with an excuse for McDermott. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 5 hours ago, Billever76 said: Every post season defeat excuses and giving McDermott a pass....clock is ticking on Allen's career...guess we will be content wasting it as long as we get 10 divison titles Philly said the same thing about Andy Reid. I'm not saying McD is the guy or that his seat shouldn't be hot. But he did a better job w/ that shell of a D than most would have. & We won't win w/ some of the players we've got no matter who the HC is. There's no legit WR-1 to help Allen on this team. Diggs is a WR-2. You're 100% right we are wasting Allen's prime, that WR Corp only has Shakir as a reliable weapon for him. We've got Kincaid & Cook, but we need more/better deep threat weapons so when he unleashes that cannon someone actually catches the GD ball. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 He puts together just a good enough defense and system to help Josh get 11+ wins each year. But once the playoffs start everything about his defense crashes down. And until he's gone this will continue every year. He's terrible scheming against elite teams/ qbs. 5 minutes ago, JMM said: Again, until this year I was a big McDermott supporter. But you look at that, and the stat of only team with 58 wins over 5 years with no SB, it simply SCREAMS that's on coaching. Doesn't it?? Gee ya think. Yet we'll be stuck with this idiot for a couple more years. I guess Pegula likes getting kicked in the face. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dablitzkrieg Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said: There's always someone to rush to the front with an excuse for McDermott. No, in no way am I making an excuse for him. I'm just saying the injuries played a huge factor. I didn't like Klein in. I think Williams should have started. I think Neal should have covered Kelce much earlier. I think they should have pressured more. He's also at fault 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Why do you think the Bills should have won? The strategy seemed pretty sound given our injuries and the opponent to make the game as short as possible. We went into the half with the lead and with less than two minutes on the clock we had a chance to go up 4 and the players didn't execute. I never wanted McDermott hired int he first place and will be glad to see him canned, but what exactly did you want him to do that he didn't do yesterday? Our team was outclassed in every phase and still had a chance to win. I give him credit for that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 19 minutes ago, Southern_Bills said: Offense lost this one, perhaps the defense would have given the opportunity, but the offense didn't afford them the opportunity to blow it. Yes, the offense was the one giving up 7 yards a pop to Pacheco. Freaking offense needs to play better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 15 minutes ago, LarryMadman said: Lol, than he shouldn't have used Klein, no? Was there or was there not other options, players, game plan etc, he's the defensive mastermind right? In past games against the chefs they used Neal to cover kelce. One game he was pretty good another iirc he got called for a bunch of penalties, some questionable and Kelce had better day. Why wait until the second half to use Neal when it was clear Klein was struggling early in the game. There was a few things McDermott could have changed earlier to slow them down but he briefly tried Williams and that was it for a while. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan3482 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) Its crazy but I'm jealous of Detroit and how well campbell has that team playing? 3rd year coach has his team ready and playing hard every week, the team is playing like a well oiled machine. Hell, we almost lost to them last year. I personally feel like they will beat the 49ers with ease and go to the super bowl. Mcdormett has gone as far as he can go. The proof is in the zero progress we make every year. He cant beat the chiefs in the playoffs, Burrow and the bengals seemed to move the ball with ease against this defense. Id hate to have a OC Brady affect again, when he took over and had success, we all including myself said "Dorsey should have been fired SOONER". Edited January 23 by billsfan3482 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PepeSilvia Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 25 minutes ago, John from Riverside said: I really needed to take the night to process all of this at the end of the day, the defensive injuries were just too hard to overcome. We were playing back ups at several positions, not one or two, but several the only part of our defense that was intact was our line. We were playing back up in the secondary and the linebacker positions multiple places We forced one punt Having said all that, the offense still had an opportunity to take the lead with under 2 mins left and they didn’t make enough plays. that’s the real story. They didn’t capitalize on the opportunities that were in front of them, again. Edited January 23 by PepeSilvia 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 McD is a loser He would be gone years ago if it wasn’t for Josh saving his ass over and over 4 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 (edited) 35 minutes ago, GoBills808 said: Heard some stat today that in the history of the NFL there have been 3 seasons where a QB accounted for 50+TDs regular/postseason and didn't make the championship Allen has 2 of them lol If true, the 3rd one would be Mahomes in the 2018 season. The Chiefs defense was brutally bad that year and lost to the Pats in the AFCCG because Dee Ford went Offside effectively ending the game. Their solution? They immediately fired their DC at the time, Bob Sutton, after that loss. They hired Steve Spagnuolo and the rest is history. If the Bills were to copy their solution, well... Edited January 23 by HappyDays 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
longtimebillsfan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 12 hours ago, DapperCam said: The big difference is in Super Bowl 25 the Giants had a much worse offense, so that was the correct strategy. Shorten the game, limit possessions and hope they can get a couple plays to come away with the win. We have the 2nd best QB in the league, and the best intermediate passer in the league. They should be coming up with creative ways to get those kinds of plays available. We shouldn’t be trying to limit possessions, we should be trying to get as many possessions as possible. Handicapping ourselves to keep the other team’s offense off the field is not playing to our strengths/advantage. We've tried to out score KC in a shootout and that didn't work either. McDermott is not thr problem. He didn't drop key passes yesterday ir miss key field goals. McDermott put us in the position to win. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 6 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If true, the 3rd one would be Mahomes in the 2018 season. The Chiefs defense was brutally bad that year and lost to the Pats in the AFCCG because Dee Ford went Offside effectively ending the game. Their solution? They immediately fired their DC at the time, Bob Sutton, after that loss. They hired Steve Spagnuolo and the rest is history. If the Bills were to copy their solution, well... The Chiefs did make the championship round that year. They lost to the Patriots in that game so that would not be the other one Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 If we had fallen apart down the stretch, there's a chance they would have moved on. But by all accounts, it wasn't going to happen even then: https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/sean-mcdermott-is-safe-as-bills-coach-beyond-2023-despite-recent-struggles-per-report/ If he were to be let go, I wouldn't be upset. But like it or not, it's just not going to happen this season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 9 minutes ago, Teddy KGB said: McD is a loser He would be gone years ago if it wasn’t for Josh saving his ass over and over This times 1,000 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
uticaclub Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 43 minutes ago, EasternOHBillsFan said: Evidently the six game winning streak when our offense couldn't score enough points so our D and special teams helped are long forgotten... if we make that FG and win the game all of this is moot. People are acting like the Chiefs kicked our as*es and it's ridiculous. If we kick the FG, we still lose 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 14 minutes ago, Buffalo03 said: The Chiefs did make the championship round that year. They lost to the Patriots in that game so that would not be the other one I assume the statistic referred to the Super Bowl but maybe not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 23 minutes ago, HappyDays said: If true, the 3rd one would be Mahomes in the 2018 season. The Chiefs defense was brutally bad that year and lost to the Pats in the AFCCG because Dee Ford went Offside effectively ending the game. Their solution? They immediately fired their DC at the time, Bob Sutton, after that loss. They hired Steve Spagnuolo and the rest is history. If the Bills were to copy their solution, well... If only we had a QB that could take a bad defense to the AFCCG and lose an OT battle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 22 hours ago, BarleyNY said: McDermott’s playoff record against teams seeded 5-7 is 5-0. His playoff record against teams seeded 1-4 is 0-6. I don’t even think he coached a bad game today. I liked that he was aggressive - except for the fake punt which was forgivable if it was because KC only had 10 on the field. At some point you just have to make a change though. I don’t think the Bills will fire McDermott this off-season, but they probably should. I think he gets at least one more year. If this is not fireable I don't know what is 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Mantis_Toboggan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 54 minutes ago, Roundybout said: You don’t think having to rely on ancient AJ Klein was a problem? His choice to think it was acceptable to trot AJ Klein out onto an NFL field in the first place, at this point in his non existent career, let alone into coverage against one of the best Tight Ends ever to do it. I understand injuries, but he could’ve gotten a hell of a lot more creative schematically than “insert AJ Klein”. That’s never a legitimate option, he was never good in coverage in whatever “prime” he had, let alone now that he’s absolute dust. 3 Safety looks, Dodson and Williams rotate at LB, dare them to run, hope for stops, don’t just let Mahomes play pitch and catch with guys in space though. 3 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 7 minutes ago, HappyDays said: I assume the statistic referred to the Super Bowl but maybe not. The only other one was Manning in 2004. He had 53 TDs and only got to the divisional round Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MWK Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 I’m just glad we were within a “whisker” of tying that game and that McDummy is “fully confident.” 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 22 hours ago, Billsfanatic8989 said: McD was fine tonight. But it's not just this loss. I just feel there is a ceiling with him in the postseason. Things aren't progressing forward. Why ignore the fact there are legendary coaches available? They would jump at this opportunity. When is getting to the Divisional round not going to be enough? Why does people keep saying this? He wasn't fine not at all? No real adjustments on D till it was to late with putting in Dorian and Neal in big Dime . Offensively no adjustments at all so no he sucked and he will continue to suck as soon as the divisional Rd starts every yr. I'm hearing the new banner there putting up next season for next season in the field house is Wildcard Caliber! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NastyNateSoldiers Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 22 hours ago, Breakout Squad said: Bringing up the Mahomes debate at this point is ridiculous. It’s done and over. Mahomes didn’t have a winning record in college but you and Andy Reid knew he was going to be a superstar? I did too. 😂 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CincyBillsFan Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, BullBuchanan said: Why do you think the Bills should have won? The strategy seemed pretty sound given our injuries and the opponent to make the game as short as possible. We went into the half with the lead and with less than two minutes on the clock we had a chance to go up 4 and the players didn't execute. I never wanted McDermott hired int he first place and will be glad to see him canned, but what exactly did you want him to do that he didn't do yesterday? Our team was outclassed in every phase and still had a chance to win. I give him credit for that. The strategy relied on Allen and Brady having perfect games and that is not realistic. Did you watch the 4th quarter of the Lions/Bucs game? The Lions D was struggling to stop the Bucs so Detroit decided that they would press more aggressively on offense to outscore TB. I was stunned to see the Lions throwing and running a hurry up O with a 1 TD 4th quarter lead over TB. It worked and was the correct strategic call. In contrast McD placed a governor on Allen, Brady and the O and asked them to not only out score KC but run out the clock as well. This was inane IMO. The 2nd half strategy should have been to score as much as possible and ignore whether it was one play of ten play drives. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, GoBills808 said: Heard some stat today that in the history of the NFL there have been 3 seasons where a QB accounted for 50+TDs regular/postseason and didn't make the championship Allen has 2 of them lol 1 hour ago, McBean said: This right here makes me want to vomit. You have to change the HC. You just have to. 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: If true, the 3rd one would be Mahomes in the 2018 season. The Chiefs defense was brutally bad that year and lost to the Pats in the AFCCG because Dee Ford went Offside effectively ending the game. Their solution? They immediately fired their DC at the time, Bob Sutton, after that loss. They hired Steve Spagnuolo and the rest is history. If the Bills were to copy their solution, well... The stat actually according to Dan Orlovsky was it has happened only twice, and both times its been Allen. He is the only person to do it and its happened twice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billever76 Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 1 hour ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Philly said the same thing about Andy Reid. I'm not saying McD is the guy or that his seat shouldn't be hot. But he did a better job w/ that shell of a D than most would have. & We won't win w/ some of the players we've got no matter who the HC is. There's no legit WR-1 to help Allen on this team. Diggs is a WR-2. You're 100% right we are wasting Allen's prime, that WR Corp only has Shakir as a reliable weapon for him. We've got Kincaid & Cook, but we need more/better deep threat weapons so when he unleashes that cannon someone actually catches the GD ball. Let's put thing in perspective in our 4 playoff losses 3 vs kc and 1 vs Cincinnati McDermott defense has forced 5 TOTAL PUNTS IN 4 GAMES 1 hour ago, HappyDays said: If true, the 3rd one would be Mahomes in the 2018 season. The Chiefs defense was brutally bad that year and lost to the Pats in the AFCCG because Dee Ford went Offside effectively ending the game. Their solution? They immediately fired their DC at the time, Bob Sutton, after that loss. They hired Steve Spagnuolo and the rest is history. If the Bills were to copy their solution, well... Go get Bill belichick and we turn into a dynasty with allen at qb 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 Been thinking about this all day: If we hire Belichick - who would likely come here - do we stand a better chance of advancing farther in the playoffs, or a worse chance? That is the ONLY question right now. And it's a no-brainer of an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted January 23 Share Posted January 23 2 minutes ago, Success said: Been thinking about this all day: If we hire Belichick - who would likely come here - do we stand a better chance of advancing farther in the playoffs, or a worse chance? That is the ONLY question right now. And it's a no-brainer of an answer. Would he be happy with the DC job? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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