RangerDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, SoMAn said: The mentality of the 'fire McDermott' crowd is beyond stupid. I guess if a team doesn't win the Superbowl within 5 years or so, the head coach should be dismissed. Brilliant. Of course, there's never any real solution offered by those voices. Just "fire the coach". The NFL landscape is littered with fired coaches who were sure-fire candidates from the coordinator ranks. Who's your answer? What can't miss coach is coming to Buffalo? Are you such a gambler that you'll put all your chips on a coordinator with no track record over the guy who's led his team into the playoff in 6 out of 7 seasons? Maybe you'd prefer a retread like Belichick or Carroll. No thanks. Personally, I wouldn't make that bet. The better odds are that we'd be right back to the good old days of wishing we made the playoffs. Compare the past 7 years of Bills football to the previous 17. At least we've had a chance! We've had a very entertaining team we can be proud of. The Bills under McDermott have fielded a competitive squad every year under his guidance. They've developed mid-round players into valuable contributors. Free agents want to come to Buffalo. He has the respect of those who play under him. We have a team that should be competitive every year. I'm grateful that the revolving door of Jauron, Mularkey, Williams, Ryan, etc. is a distant memory. Be thankful that we have someone a classy as McDermott leading our Bills today and for the foreseeable future. You may not realize it yet, but these are the good old days There are some who believe that 31 coaches a year should be fired. If you don't win the championship, you're out. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 No! hasn’t been relevant in quite some time, talk about a retread hire…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Way to hijack this thread @Governor! The OP intended to discuss hiring Rivera and you totally derailed the thread. Save your rants till after this upcoming game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Very unlikely imo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 He’ll end up in a Senior Defensive Assistant role. Bobby Babich or Eric Washington will be DC, but in title only. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 6 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: Way to hijack this thread @Governor! The OP intended to discuss hiring Rivera and you totally derailed the thread. Save your rants till after this upcoming game. I was attacked by the paid McD apologists. I have to defend myself. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) McD can’t refrain from meddling on the defensive side when there is a DC and you can’t have more than one cook in the kitchen. Edited January 18 by Charles Romes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nucci Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Just now, Charles Romes said: McD can’t refrain from meddling on the defensive side and you can’t have more than one cook in the kitchen. he's not meddling. He coaches the defense 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo03 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 52 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Similarly the Marty comparison.... McDermott in 6 playoff seasons already has as many wins as Marty had in 13. The better comparison IMO is Bill Cowher. He made the playoffs his first 6 years (McD 6 of 7), was 1 and done the first two years (so was McD) but then was winning playoff games without winning the big one (I know they made and lost a Superbowl in there). That is not me saying he is bound to win one in the end like Cowher did, and Cowher didn't have Josh Allen, I get that. But in terms of coaches who it feels can't get over the playoff hump McDermott is much more comparable to Cowher than to Marty or Marv. I also hate the Marty Schottenheimer comparison. The guy was 5-18 in 23 playoff games. It's not even a comparison. Some people speak without thinking sometimes and don't realize how off base they are 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 53 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Similarly the Marty comparison.... McDermott in 6 playoff seasons already has as many wins as Marty had in 13. The better comparison IMO is Bill Cowher. He made the playoffs his first 6 years (McD 6 of 7), was 1 and done the first two years (so was McD) but then was winning playoff games without winning the big one (I know they made and lost a Superbowl in there). That is not me saying he is bound to win one in the end like Cowher did, and Cowher didn't have Josh Allen, I get that. But in terms of coaches who it feels can't get over the playoff hump McDermott is much more comparable to Cowher than to Marty or Marv. If McD can’t win with Allen the best comp may be 90‘s Dolphins? Can’t win despite elite QB. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 hours ago, GunnerBill said: The only way he was getting fired here this year is if, from 6-6, the team quit on him and collapsed down the stretch. If we'd finished 6-11 instead of 11-6 and it looked like he had lost the locker room then all bets would have been off. But that didn't happen. Exactly if anything it showed the opposite of the hit piece and the team plays hard for him 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 not sure what we need Ron for? McD has been great as DC. And Babbich should be next in line for DC after his work with the LBs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Hate to see them lose Bobby Babatch because they hired RR as a DC, but we still may be a few years away from that happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Governor said: Right but the season isn’t over. Let’s just say that something bad happens, the unthinkable happens, do you think anyone is going to remember the previous 6 wins? Do you think that after a career crushing loss, people will view that as the team rallying to their coach? I think as fans we should be mentally prepared for all possible outcomes. This would be #4. I mean, he’s already done it 3 out of 3 times. The following day people would be calling him Marv 2.0 for Christ’s sake. Well yea if the unthinkable happens maybe…problem is I can’t think of what the unthinkable could possibly be at this point lol.. the last chance the ‘fire McDermott’ crowd had was us getting stomped by pit imo dolphins blew a 14 point lead against Tennessee with time winding down en route to coughing up the division then got absolutely spanked by this same kc team and they’re rolling with their mcd lol. I’d say that’s a lot closer to unthinkable than whatever happens to us Edited January 18 by Generic_Bills_Fan 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikemac2001 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 3 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: not sure what we need Ron for? McD has been great as DC. And Babbich should be next in line for DC after his work with the LBs. he can be an assistant if he wants and help coach doesn’t mean he has to call plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 9 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: If McD can’t win with Allen the best comp may be 90‘s Dolphins? Can’t win despite elite QB. Yea possibly though that was multiple coaches after Shula wasn't it? Before my time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninChicago Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Let’s consider the 37 points we put on his team at Fed Recked Stadium his job interview. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 33 minutes ago, Governor said: I was attacked by the paid McD apologists. I have to defend myself. I am not falling for your bait. You brought up the discussion about McD staying on as HC. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boater Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 OP started this as a thread as Ron Rivera Bills DC? It devolved into Is McDermott Safe?. Back to the original topic: McDermott was Rivera's underling at the Panthers. Would both of them be comfortable flipping the table? Rivera is still a viable Head Coach and there are many opportunities open. McDermott has definite opinions on how a defense works; will Rivera be compatible with that? Is Rivera will to move to snow country? Or tax country? (I'm serious, Bflo loses many prospects to this) PS: McDermott should be and will be safe no matter what happens against the Chiefs. Firing talk is just silly talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thronethinker Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Governor said: McD isn’t really safe yet. He has to beat KC at home or all hell is gonna break loose. 0 chance McD gets fired unless there is just some major mixup that is 100% on the coach and costs the Bills the playoffs. With all the coaching vacancies the last thing that is going to happen is him getting fired after advancing to at least the divisional round 4 straight years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 Just now, boater said: OP started this as a thread as Ron Rivera Bills DC? It devolved into Is McDermott Safe?. Back to the original topic: McDermott was Rivera's underling at the Panthers. Would both of them be comfortable flipping the table? Rivera is still a viable Head Coach and there are many opportunities open. McDermott has definite opinions on how a defense works; will Rivera be compatible with that? Is Rivera will to move to snow country? Or tax country? (I'm serious, Bflo loses many prospects to this) PS: McDermott should be and will be safe no matter what happens against the Chiefs. Firing talk is just silly talk. Yes, if an organization wants to ensure their team losing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 40 minutes ago, Governor said: I was attacked by the paid McD apologists. I have to defend myself. No you weren't. You were the 3rd or 3th post in the thread saying "McDermott isn't safe" and not one person attacked you by defending McDermott. The push back you got was about Pegula not about McDermott. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 5 hours ago, Governor said: He used injuries as his excuse last season. At some point it is what it is. It would be 4 years of losses, 2 years with no improvement. This is the biggest game of his career so far. It would also depend on how we lost. We’d be getting into Marvin Lewis territory. Don’t blow it! Oh geez, another Marvin Lewis comparison. Marvin Lewis never won a playoff game, zero. Zero and 7. Not happy with McDermott so compare him to the worst playoff coach in NFL history....makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K-9 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 With all the bad blood between the Bills and Commanders that resulted from the McKissic fiasco, I doubt Rivera would be welcomed here. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 I actually do have inside information and word is they could let McD go this week, before the KC game. Pegula has had enough “AFCE titles” and the fact they let Pitt back into the game made him furious. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, K-9 said: With all the bad blood between the Bills and Commanders that resulted from the McKissic fiasco, I doubt Rivera would be welcomed here. I think this is right. Others have suggested they think the Ron relationship was unaffected but I remember Beane was absolutely furious and talked about strong relationships being irrevocably damaged. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, ScottLaw said: He’s a very good coach no question… that said I’ll have a hard time believing he will be able to beat the Chiefs in the playoffs going forward if they lose this game…. Chiefs are as vulnerable as they’ll ever be under Mahomes/Reid. The Bills finished the last game playing their 5th and 6th linebackers and their 4th and 5th cornerbacks. That's not even including the Taron Johnson injury. The Chiefs have had 2 more days to recover and prepare than the Bills. The Bills, not the Chiefs are the vulnerable team. 1 hour ago, Governor said: I was attacked by the paid McD apologists. I have to defend myself. Victim much? You made a ridiculous statement and then you doubled down on it. 59 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: If McD can’t win with Allen the best comp may be 90‘s Dolphins? Can’t win despite elite QB. The 90's Dolphins with Dan Marino at QB were coached by 2 Hall of Famers... Don Shula and Jimmy johnson.. 55 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Hate to see them lose Bobby Babatch because they hired RR as a DC, but we still may be a few years away from that happening. Dude! I saw RR and started having Rex Ryan flashbacks. Be careful, please. Edited January 18 by Sierra Foothills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zow2 Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 The fact there is even a Ron Rivera thread on this message board is an insult. He is the absolute worst and should not be within 500 miles of One Bills Drive. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 1 hour ago, Governor said: I was attacked by the paid McD apologists. I have to defend myself. I could use some extra cash. How much do they get paid? Edited January 18 by RangerDave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 minutes ago, RangerDave said: I could use some extra cash. How much do they get paid? 20/hr. same as the shovelers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToGoGo Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 A lot of people doubled down on McDermott after the Broncos/Eagles loss and the Dunne article. Heard some very emotional displays on this board against him. What he's done is silence those people in ways that make things awkward. As we continue winning this year, starting with the Chiefs this weekend, I will be monitoring some of those posters to see when they admit they were wrong. Will they continue moving the goal posts? Will they subtly set McDermott up for failure by making a loss to the Chiefs seem "unthinkable". If we win the Super Bowl, will they still secretly want him gone? I wish I was joking. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 A big fat NO to Rivera. We need youth and energy. I lean towards Bobby Babich. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flipnmi Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 1 hour ago, Governor said: I was attacked by the paid McD apologists. I have to defend myself. My "Ignored List" just got a little longer!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 7 hours ago, L Ron Burgundy said: This is tough. I want him on the hot seat but with our injuries...it'd be unfair to fire him. Yah think ?? 4 AFC titles add another play off to that & to bring this team on the 6 game run they have been on & not to mention how he has the D playing after all of the injuries & a bunch of late round picks to get them to play like they have been . Who ever thinks this guy doesn't deserve to be the HC of this team can go be a fan some where else this guy has more than earned the position . Sure there are always going to be some bad calls no ones perfect but the Mafia as usual wants everything their way NOW DAMMIT or its the high way . It's not tough at all, just compare the before he got here to the after he got here, seems pretty simple to me ! Usually people don't get fired for doing a really good job . Maybe if he was on the outside looking in at the play offs each year but even to think about firing him is ridiculous JMHO . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 17 minutes ago, ToGoGo said: A lot of people doubled down on McDermott after the Broncos/Eagles loss and the Dunne article. Heard some very emotional displays on this board against him. What he's done is silence those people in ways that make things awkward. As we continue winning this year, starting with the Chiefs this weekend, I will be monitoring some of those posters to see when they admit they were wrong. Will they continue moving the goal posts? Will they subtly set McDermott up for failure by making a loss to the Chiefs seem "unthinkable". If we win the Super Bowl, will they still secretly want him gone? I wish I was joking. I'd love to see McD win the coaching battles of situational football decisions against Reid and Harbaugh (and Shanahan or whoever). We havent seen much improvement in that area even if the last 6 weeks. But fingers crossed that we see some steps in the right direction since it's that type of thing that determines wins in the playoffs. If he wins a Super Bowl he can do whatever he wants and I'll never question him again. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BADOLBILZ Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 2 hours ago, GunnerBill said: Similarly the Marty comparison.... McDermott in 6 playoff seasons already has as many wins as Marty had in 13. The better comparison IMO is Bill Cowher. He made the playoffs his first 6 years (McD 6 of 7), was 1 and done the first two years (so was McD) but then was winning playoff games without winning the big one (I know they made and lost a Superbowl in there). That is not me saying he is bound to win one in the end like Cowher did, and Cowher didn't have Josh Allen, I get that. But in terms of coaches who it feels can't get over the playoff hump McDermott is much more comparable to Cowher than to Marty or Marv. With all due respect, if you think Bill Cowher was ANY better than Marty you are wrong. I know you have to boxscore scout here because you didn't experience the nuance of their coaching careers.........but the only difference was a bit of ball luck. If Earnest Byner doesn't fumble that ball and the Browns go to the SB then Marty never has to deal with that perception that he couldn't win a big game. If Indy's stud LB Quentin Coryatt doesn't drop the game sealing gift wrapped INT in the closing moments of 1995 AFCCG(amongst some other fortunate breaks) then Cowher doesn't reach that first SB and the subsequent losing of his next 4 AFCCG.....all in his home building.....and blowing 6 #1 seedings in total I believe(including once to the Bills in 1992)......becomes the burden that was on Marty's back and THEN some. Cowher never had to deal with that self-fulfilling prophecy that his players were doomed to never reach a SB. That perception tends to manifest itself into reality eventually. By the time he got to the Chargers those teams were playing on pins and needles in the playoffs like the Bills in those last 3 SB's. Right now, McDermott's version of those two early, career defining AFCCG events for Marty/Cowher.......is "13 seconds". I like McD but the longer that "never reached a SB" label is on you the more damaging it becomes. I don't think THIS year is make or break for his rep but it's another brick in the wall if he doesn't. Even moreso if a team like Houston gets thru to the SB. That would be Cinci and Houston both barging in front of him when he was supposed to be "next". 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ganesh Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 7 hours ago, Governor said: He used injuries as his excuse last season. At some point it is what it is. It would be 4 years of losses, 2 years with no improvement. This is the biggest game of his career so far. It would also depend on how we lost. We’d be getting into Marvin Lewis territory. Don’t blow it! Lewis never won a playoff game. Go Bills !!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) 8 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said: With all due respect, if you think Bill Cowher was ANY better than Marty you are wrong. I know you have to boxscore scout here because you didn't experience the nuance of their coaching careers.........but the only difference was a bit of ball luck. If Earnest Byner doesn't fumble that ball and the Browns go to the SB then Marty never has to deal with that perception that he couldn't win a big game. If Indy's stud LB Quentin Coryatt doesn't drop the game sealing gift wrapped INT in the closing moments of 1995 AFCCG(amongst some other fortunate breaks) then Cowher doesn't reach that first SB and the subsequent losing of his next 4 AFCCG.....all in his home building.....and blowing 6 #1 seedings in total I believe(including once to the Bills in 1992)......becomes the burden that was on Marty's back and THEN some. Cowher never had to deal with that self-fulfilling prophecy that his players were doomed to never reach a SB. That perception tends to manifest itself into reality eventually. By the time he got to the Chargers those teams were playing on pins and needles in the playoffs like the Bills in those last 3 SB's. Right now, McDermott's version of those two early, career defining AFCCG events for Marty/Cowher.......is "13 seconds". I like McD but the longer that "never reached a SB" label is on you the more damaging it becomes. I don't think THIS year is make or break for his rep but it's another brick in the wall if he doesn't. Even moreso if a team like Houston gets thru to the SB. That would be Cinci and Houston both barging in front of him when he was supposed to be "next". Yea I have to box score them. Before my time. Altho I will say "a bit of ball luck" is very often the difference between the coaches that do and those that don't when it comes to the post season. Edited January 18 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jaybills Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 7 hours ago, kota said: just saw that Ron Rivera is interested in coaching still and how he missed coaching on a granular level when he took over for Jack Del Rio who was fired mid season. He also stated he has a few opportunities available. I think this is a bit interesting. I say keep McDermott at DC and hire a new head coach 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted January 18 Share Posted January 18 (edited) Cowher got so much hype early in his career and a lot of those losses were quite humiliating. He was very overrated. He was the “tough guy” coach. Edited January 18 by Governor Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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