ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 11 hours ago, Scott7975 said: Not quite sure what you mean. It sounds like you think the Bills have to win out AND the Dolphins have to lose out. The Bills need to win out and the Dolphins only need to lose one more game plus the Buffalo game. Or the Dolphins need to add 1 more loss for every Bills loss and lose to Buffalo. I stand corrected. I screwed the math up 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Bills SHOULD catch Miami at this point. I know that there are no “sure things” but I’d be shocked if the Bills lost to Easton Stick or Bailey Zappe in “must-win” games. I missed the latest Chargers developments and thought you are joking with that name 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Feels like only a matter of time. and by that I mean week, 18 Sunday night football. we could technically catch them sooner, but either way the bills are going to need to beat the Dolphins in the final game for the division. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, Kirby Jackson said: The Bills SHOULD catch Miami at this point. I know that there are no “sure things” but I’d be shocked if the Bills lost to Easton Stick or Bailey Zappe in “must-win” games. This week will be tough but they are playing Dallas at the right time. Last week was a huge emotional win for Dallas vs. their hated rival. This week has to be a bit of a letdown from an emotion standpoint. It’s a bit of a trap game for Dallas. Miami is not beating the Jets, Baltimore and Dallas. They will lose at least one of those. That means that the Bills play for the division in early January. Dallas is in their own battle for the top of the division so it’s going to be a slug fest. Having home field advantage is huge for Buffalo. If they make it past the Cowboys then I think they win out. Definitely more worried about this game than the season finale. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The bills have a lot of solid defensive players that are pretty well rounded. Douglas/benford have quietly been playing really well too. the dolphins are bizarre they’ve got a good corner,an ok corner, and then a whole bunch of pass rush specialist linebackers lol In 2021, we ranked #1 in the NFL in yards allowed. In 2022, with some key injuries, we still managed a solid #6 ranking. This year, we're ranked #14 which places us in the middle of the pack. The Fins are ranked #9. Neither D is special but, statistically, theirs is better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 13, 2023 Author Share Posted December 13, 2023 5 hours ago, RunTheBall said: I wish I was this optimistic. I will say that if that KC game was an indication that we are peaking at the right time, a BIG if, then things are lining up nicely for us to win the Division. I’m not ready to say that’s the case. Beat Dallas and now we are taking about a team that is starting to roll. I think and hope the team is just taking it one game at a time. If Miami loses to the Jets, they are going to collapse with the pressure like they always do. Still, even if they lose their next 3 and we win the next 3 we still have to win in Miami to take the Division. So, one game at a time. Beat Dallas and I’ll start to believe we are peaking at the right time. I’m hoping McDermott can quiet all the criticism, finish this season strong, and go on a deep playoff run. I know they’ve been trying to protect Josh and they have for the most part, but it’s time to let him loose for the remainder of the season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnNord Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 14 minutes ago, Generic_Bills_Fan said: The bills have a lot of solid defensive players that are pretty well rounded. Douglas/benford have quietly been playing really well too. the dolphins are bizarre they’ve got a good corner,an ok corner, and then a whole bunch of pass rush specialist linebackers lol Individually there’s a lot of talent in the Miami defense. They had been playing previously - even holding KC to 14 points but they offered little resistance on Monday when it mattered - which was bizarre. I’m not certain some of the talent he inherited is a perfect match for the Fangio scheme. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloBillyG Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 33 minutes ago, zow2 said: If he's so good, why is he available to be signed now? I don't know. I didn't ask him. Sometimes guys will wait until late to join a contender. He had opportunity in the off-season. But why he didn't sign...shoot send him a text I can't answer for him. 20 minutes ago, JohnNord said: Yes and no. He’ll be good for a few reps but there’s also a reason he was on his couch until week 13. The gap between Ingram and Phillips in 2023 is wide Agree. Didn't mean to infer he would be a direct 1:1 replacement. But he will definitely help in likely 12-15 situational snaps a game. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frostbitmic Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Fan in Chicago said: The Cowboys are a well built team but I haven't seen all the games and I think a lot of their hype this week is due to their humbling of the Eagles on national TV. Was it their best game of the year? In which they are ripe for a letdown. One can argue the same for the Bills but we have much more to lose than the Cowboys. They're on a 5 game win streak and are in a 3 way tie for the #1 seed in the NFC so they have something to play for ... as do the Bills. Should be a good game, hopefully the Bills win and the Cowboys take it out on another AFC East team. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 If the Bills beat Miami to end the season, they'll win the division. I don't see Miami beating the Cowboys or Ravens and I don't see the Bills losing to the Chargers or Cheaters. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bleeding Bills Blue Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, hondo in seattle said: In 2021, we ranked #1 in the NFL in yards allowed. In 2022, with some key injuries, we still managed a solid #6 ranking. This year, we're ranked #14 which places us in the middle of the pack. The Fins are ranked #9. Neither D is special but, statistically, theirs is better. We allow more yards and fewer points. They allow fewer yards and more points. Buffalo has allowed 180 more yards this year on fewer plays, but 50 fewer points. Reasons are - We're better in the red zone, and we get more takeaways. They're better on 3rd downs, and their rush defense is better. Buffalo blitzes a bit more, but they have the same number of sacks and pretty similar stats across the board the rest of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Just Jack Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 hours ago, BillsShredder83 said: Does this work without snipping? WFH has been real slow in December No, because your body is always making more. It was a few months for me before I got the all clear results. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dakrider Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc said: If the Bills beat Miami to end the season, they'll win the division. I don't see Miami beating the Cowboys or Ravens and I don't see the Bills losing to the Chargers or Cheaters. This is great though because it will keep the Bills on point for these next 4 games. No time for any let downs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Buffalo has tough opponents, especially Dallas, and so does Miami. Miami has lost a critical ingredient on their offensive line, center Conner Williams, for probably the rest of the season. After he left the game Sunday, Tua was sacked 5 times. If Buffalo can run the table, they have a realistic chance. That's a big "iif" though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, BigAl2526 said: Buffalo has tough opponents, especially Dallas, and so does Miami. Miami has lost a critical ingredient on their offensive line, center Conner Williams, for probably the rest of the season. After he left the game Sunday, Tua was sacked 5 times. If Buffalo can run the table, they have a realistic chance. That's a big "if" though. Miami like beats the Jets, but could easily lose their final three; Dallas, Baltimore and Buffalo. That has to happen along with Buffalo running the table. Miami owns important tie-breakers if the finish with identical records, most importantly - division record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kirby Jackson Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 4 hours ago, FireChans said: Miami has to lose two of those games if the Bills lose 1, right? Correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FireChans Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 55 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said: Correct I'm pretty confident they will go 1-2 between Ravens, Cowboys and Jets. Wouldn't be surprised to see 0-3 tbh. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted December 13, 2023 Share Posted December 13, 2023 Well this is certainly good for the Jets (and us). Tua with a banged up o line and high winds won't be able to just lob up passes to Tyreek. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted December 14, 2023 Author Share Posted December 14, 2023 6 hours ago, Doc said: If the Bills beat Miami to end the season, they'll win the division. I don't see Miami beating the Cowboys or Ravens and I don't see the Bills losing to the Chargers or Cheaters. I disagree. I think Miami will absolutely split one between the Ravens and Cowboys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gman10 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 7 hours ago, Fan in Chicago said: The Cowboys are a well built team but I haven't seen all the games and I think a lot of their hype this week is due to their humbling of the Eagles on national TV. Was it their best game of the year? In which they are ripe for a letdown. One can argue the same for the Bills but we have much more to lose than the Cowboys. Are the Eagles hype or are the Cowboys just that good? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: I disagree. I think Miami will absolutely split one between the Ravens and Cowboys. Anything is possible but I give it a 10% chance. They haven't beaten a good team all year and are the most injured they've been. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Stonada Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Just in case here are the tiebreaker rules for two teams in the same division: Two Clubs Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory in all games. Strength of schedule in all games Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed in all games. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MiracleAtRich1393 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 1 hour ago, Ray Stonada said: Just in case here are the tiebreaker rules for two teams in the same division: Two Clubs Head-to-head (best won-lost-tied percentage in games between the clubs). Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the division. Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games. Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference. Strength of victory in all games. Strength of schedule in all games Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed in all games. Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed in all games. Best net points in common games. Best net points in all games. Best net touchdowns in all games. Coin toss Anyone know the furthest down the list this has ever gotten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanSD Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 I've done the same math as everybody else, but I'm going to hold off on this until we see how our game against Dallas goes. If we win this weekend, the division is a very real possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vtnatefootball11 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 21 hours ago, Playoffs? said: Nope. If the Fins go 2-2, they end at 11-6. If the Bills go 3-1, they end at 10-7. There is no tiebreaker. Correct, my apologies. What I was really focused on was the next three games. As you mentioned, was we can only drop this Cowboys game and still win the division if Dolphins lose 2 of the next 3. Which is possible with them playing Dallas and Baltimore, but not a sure thing at all. We likely will need to win out to win the division (or at least have Miami lose to the Jets if we lose to Dallas) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 19 hours ago, Just Jack said: No, because your body is always making more. It was a few months for me before I got the all clear results. Lol it was a 'JO'ing when I'm supposedddddd to be working' joke 😃 Interesting though. How long after procedure till they're gone? I'm sure you can help flush em out, but wonder what they'd do if someone just refused to evict them lol do they just hang out grow beards, and develop general anxiety syndromes lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted December 14, 2023 Share Posted December 14, 2023 Given their last 4 games i think they go 1 & 3 and could quite possibly go 0 & 4 so my answer is yes the Bills can catch them & i think they will catch them to get into the play offs . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 15 hours ago, MiracleAtRich1393 said: Anyone know the furthest down the list this has ever gotten? I believe there was a "strength of victory" a number of years ago. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigAl2526 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 The Miami loss opens the door. They also lost their center and appear not to be able to protect their QB with the backup. The Dallas game is critical. Winning out is the only way for Buffalo to win the division, and Dallas is the biggest hurdle. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) 14 hours ago, BigAl2526 said: The Miami loss opens the door. They also lost their center and appear not to be able to protect their QB with the backup. The Dallas game is critical. Winning out is the only way for Buffalo to win the division, and Dallas is the biggest hurdle. The Bills don't have to win out to win the division. They just need to finish with the same record as Miami and beat them in the season finale or win at least 1 more game than them. Edited December 15, 2023 by Doc 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Cue the Dolphins December swoon for the umpteenth time in the last few decades. The question shouldn't be "Can the Bills catch the Dolphins?", the question really should be "What makes you think they won't after what you have see over the past 20 years from the Dolphins in December?" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 On 12/13/2023 at 8:35 PM, Gman10 said: Are the Eagles hype or are the Cowboys just that good? Both. Bills can beat the cowboys tho, especially at home Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kkim0904 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 (edited) Mathematically anything is possible at the moment. But in reality, Beat cowboys then YES .. Edited December 15, 2023 by kkim0904 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 The weather in Miami is supposed to be terrible on Sunday. Pouring rain and 30MPH winds by kickoff time. Maybe the wet field will slow the Dolphins down. I would have to think a muck it up type of game favors the Jets with that defense. Also, Tua doesn't exactly have the strongest arm so those winds could also play a factor. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridgewaycynic2013 Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 5:14 AM, Ray Stonada said: Just in case here are the tiebreaker rules for two teams in the same division: Two Clubs Three diamonds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 Something to keep an eye on. Maybe (hopefully) an upset is possible. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heitz Posted December 15, 2023 Share Posted December 15, 2023 44 minutes ago, Gregg said: Something to keep an eye on. Maybe (hopefully) an upset is possible. Jets D is def going to want to put a hurting on the Dolphins - just what they to do division foes... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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