Beane Presser 12.6.23 - interesting comments on Von

[Rigotz]

 

The commentary on Von stood out to me, toward the beginning.

 

Sounds like Beane & the Front Office are confident that Von will not be charged with any crime and this could potentially be a misunderstanding.

 

Maybe we should be cautious this time around (ex: Araiza) and let things play out before crucifying Von...

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Ugh.

This situations are not the same, stop bundling. As much as this MB and the Mafia wants to think we had something to do with MA getting released, we did not. 

[BringBackFergy]

"this could potentially be a misunderstanding."

 

As in, "You misunderstood...I want Two Hundred and Fifty THOUSAND...not just Two Hundred and Fifty dollars"

[TheyCallMeAndy]

1 minute ago, BringBackFergy said:

"this could potentially be a misunderstanding."

 

As in, "You misunderstood...I want Two Hundred and Fifty THOUSAND...not just Two Hundred and Fifty dollars"

Hate those misunderstandings with signed court statements from police and medical staff. 
 

 

[zow2]

What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name.  And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there.

[BringBackFergy]

2 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

Hate those misunderstandings with signed court statements from police and medical staff. 
 

 

Tyreek and Ben Rothlisburger know how it works.

[TheyCallMeAndy]

Just now, zow2 said:

What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name.  And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there.

That was just GM talk. It’s not dramatic to say Von Miller has been a massive liability every time he’s been on the field this season. Poona Ford legitimately offers more than Miller does right now. 

[JohnNord]

3 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That was just GM talk. It’s not dramatic to say Von Miller has been a massive liability every time he’s been on the field this season. Poona Ford legitimately offers more than Miller does right now. 

Poona played DE last season and wasn’t nearly as effective as he was in the middle.  
 

They should be giving Jonathan Kingsley some reps of Von’s reps at DE

[dorquemada]

the only thing that matters in this whole fiasco is if the Bills can void Von's contract because of some morals clause or something.  Right now it does not seem that they will be able to do that. 

 

With that, they're stuck with his albatross of a contract, and a guy who is a literal net negative when on the field. 

[Rigotz]

Seems like a lot of people are getting upset about the comparison of Araiza and Miller.

 

Nobody is comparing the events themselves, the alleged victims, or the players.

 

What I'm saying is a lot of us jumped to conclusions the moment we heard a news story with partial facts about Araiza. That story is remembered differently now. Perhaps we can benefit from the learning moment that we do not know all the facts yet and shouldn't assume Von Miller is a horrific person, the same way we did with Matt Araiza.

[RiotAct]

10 minutes ago, zow2 said:

What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name.  And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there.

well, we know that’s a lie.

[RoyBatty is alive]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

well, we know that’s a lie.

Why would that be a lie?

[RiotAct]

Just now, RoyBatty is alive said:

Why would that be a lie?

there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”.  If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves.

[sven233]

1 minute ago, RiotAct said:

there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”.  If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves.

 

Who of the guys that are scratched every week are better and should justify being one of the 48 dressed?  Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi, Poona Ford, A.J. Klein?  I mean, you are talking about the very bottom of the roster.  Now, if you are not talking about scratching him, but rather just have him sit the bench so someone else can rush, I'll listen to that.  But to say he's one of the worst players on the team and doesn't deserve a jersey?  That's a little much.

[dorquemada]

9 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”.  If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves.

 

No, this is just more 12th dimensional chess. you wait until they unleash the real Von, he'll manhandle the opposition, beat whomever is in front of him, always one step ahead of his pursuers

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Who of the guys that are scratched every week are better and should justify being one of the 48 dressed?  Alec Anderson, Germain Ifedi, Poona Ford, A.J. Klein?  I mean, you are talking about the very bottom of the roster.  Now, if you are not talking about scratching him, but rather just have him sit the bench so someone else can rush, I'll listen to that.  But to say he's one of the worst players on the team and doesn't deserve a jersey?  That's a little much.

 

lmfao, have you watched him?  did you see him take out one of the other Bills rushers against Philly?  literally got turned in the wrong direction and kept going

[sven233]

2 minutes ago, dorquemada said:

lmfao, have you watched him?  did you see him take out one of the other Bills rushers against Philly?  literally got turned in the wrong direction and kept going

 

Again....who of the guys that are scratched deserve a jersey more?  If you are going to take him out, you have to dress someone you think is better.  So, is that Alec Anderson or Germain Idedi?

[JohnNord]

6 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”.  If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves.

He WAS one of the best players on game day

[zow2]

13 minutes ago, RiotAct said:

there’s no way he’s “one of the best players on gameday”.  If our coaching staff thinks that, they’re kidding themselves.

 

They specifically got him to close out Kansas City.  Maybe Von's been sandbagging everyone with his sorry ass play.  If that's the case, he will unleash the Kraken in Arrowhead. 

 

If he cannot give 110% while out there, he should sit himself down.

[WideNine]

It is the age we live in where it is trial by online media before the facts surface.

In fairness the NFL and College as well have a very bad reputation for burying crimes committed by players or seeing star player crimes transformed into punitive slaps on the wrists. I think back to the Ray Lewis incident where he and his crew got into a fight and the two victims apparently sprouted spontaneously fatal stab wounds, but no one was found guilty. The guy was inducted into the player hall of fame in 2018.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-murder-case-that-ray-lewis-cant-shake-from-his-past/ar-AA15iqij

Organizations also have to take into consideration their image so if you have a lot of bad publicity surrounding a player you can easily replace, then it makes sense to replace that player. With Araiza I think Beane took the right approach with the narrative from OBD - that what was going on was a distraction for both the player and the organization and they were parting ways with Araiza to allow the situation to be sorted and settled by the player.

Beane did that without weighing in on the guilt or innocence of the player. With something like this with Von, I think things do get murky when you have domestic fights that turn public and result in accusations being levied. The Bills mafia may be jumping the gun because we are already frustrated with how much cap this player takes and that he has not been much of a factor on the field.

 

...and agree with the comments that Von is not contributing very much on game days.
 

Edited December 6, 2023 by WideNine

[SoonerBillsFan]

46 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said:

OK, well bring back Araiza now

Agreed

[dorquemada]

2 minutes ago, sven233 said:

 

Again....who of the guys that are scratched deserve a jersey more?  If you are going to take him out, you have to dress someone you think is better.  So, is that Alec Anderson or Germain Idedi?

 

Maybe?  We're faced with 1 of 2 possiblities.

 

1. Von is washed. 

2. Von is still injured

 

In either case he doesnt belong on the field. 

[WotAGuy]

1 hour ago, zow2 said:

What i liked is that when asked about playing time, Beane said the best will be on the field regardless of their name.  And he specifically said if Von is not one of the best players on gameday, to help win these crucial games, he won't be in there.

Apparently, this is a new rule in effect because it hasn’t been for the past 6 games. 

[cale]

This sucks. If Kim was still running this team, he'd be out.

[Mango]

1 hour ago, Rigotz said:

 

The commentary on Von stood out to me, toward the beginning.

 

Sounds like Beane & the Front Office are confident that Von will not be charged with any crime and this could potentially be a misunderstanding.

 

Maybe we should be cautious this time around (ex: Araiza) and let things play out before crucifying Von...

 

2 things:

1. This should be merged with the other Von thread. 

2. I think we need to stop making assumptions about criminal charges (or lack there of)/settlements out of court as some sort of name clearing action. Adrian Peterson has never been found guilty of a crime. Ever. Think about that. We have pictures of what he did to his kid. He was escorted off a plane after an emergency landing for being abusive on a commercial flight with his partner, and never officially found guilty of a crime. 

Von via text wished terrible things on the mother of his child/his fiance. He has 2 physical DV incidents. Maybe he doesn't need to be in a jail cell. But the lack of charges for an NFL Super Star, set to be a first ballot HOF'er, most certainly do not equate to a "misunderstanding" either.
 

[BarleyNY]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

The commentary on Von stood out to me, toward the beginning.

 

Sounds like Beane & the Front Office are confident that Von will not be charged with any crime and this could potentially be a misunderstanding.

 

Maybe we should be cautious this time around (ex: Araiza) and let things play out before crucifying Von...

 

The business side of this issue is straightforward. If the league does nothing, then the Bills are stuck with Miller due to the guarantees in his contract. If the league suspends him and his guarantees void, then the Bills can move on from him. The Bills have little choice but to let it play out. 

[Mikie2times]

It would seem to me it would be in Beane and Buffalo's best interest for the highest FA signing of Beane's tenure to not be physically abusive towards women.  So from my perceptive Buffalo has a lot more skin in the game on Von than say Araiza. As far as guilty or not guilty, it is incredibly common in these cases for the victim to walk back statements. No longer be willing to testify. Cases to be dropped. This is not the first time Von has been accused of this type of behavior. It's really unfortunate if it was always about smearing his name. It seems incredible unlucky if he is again innocent of all this.  I will reserve full judgement until more comes out but I question if the real truth on this will ever be known. 

[msw2112]

Given his age and injury, I think that Miller is done as a productive player and he's a drain on the Bills' salary cap.  That said, even if they could terminate his contract, the Bills need to be careful.  For many years, they had to overpay to get free agents to come to Buffalo, or they would not come at all.  In recent years, given the success of the team, the great facilities, the good culture, and the fact that Josh Allen is on the roster, Buffalo has become more of a destination.  If they mishandle the Miller situation and alienate a HOF player who is well-respected around the league, it could hurt recruiting of future free agents.

 

I'm not saying I wouldn't be happy to get out from under the albatross of a contract that the Bills have with Miller (I certainly would), but just citing a potential consequence of doing so.

[strive_for_five_guy]

I would say Beane is generally in his element in press conferences.  Definitely seemed more tight-lipped or uptight than usual, although maybe it’s obvious the reasons why (underperformance of the team and Von’s circumstances).

[freddyjj]

2 hours ago, JohnNord said:

Poona played DE last season and wasn’t nearly as effective as he was in the middle.  

Was a 5 technique DE in a 3-4 and was horrible in that role.  

[VaMilBill]

2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

That was just GM talk. It’s not dramatic to say Von Miller has been a massive liability every time he’s been on the field this season. Poona Ford legitimately offers more than Miller does right now. 

Sign Maybin out of retirement?

[Matt_In_NH]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

 

The commentary on Von stood out to me, toward the beginning.

 

Sounds like Beane & the Front Office are confident that Von will not be charged with any crime and this could potentially be a misunderstanding.

 

Maybe we should be cautious this time around (ex: Araiza) and let things play out before crucifying Von...

Also the contract compared to. 6th round pick is apples and curtain rods.  

[Bob Jones]

Von should be suspended today, and then they should find a way to get rid of him ASAP. The Buffalo Bills don't need a wife beater on the team. As I said in another thread:

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded. Obviously, she feared for her safety, or maybe even her life.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone cold fact.

 

Reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that recording exists, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation.

 

The three paragraphs above surely are why the police arrested VM. IOW, it’s not a “he said she said”, because there is some hard evidence (especially the bruises, without those, I’d be a lot less sure about this matter).

 

The notion that she later recanted her story is not surprising AT ALL. She does not want Von to lose MILLIONS of dollars and/or be jailed, as then her life would be severely affected. DV victims do the recanting of violence from their abusers ALL THE TIME, especially when lots of $$$ is involved.

[Alphadawg7]

2 hours ago, Rigotz said:

Seems like a lot of people are getting upset about the comparison of Araiza and Miller.

 

Nobody is comparing the events themselves, the alleged victims, or the players.

 

What I'm saying is a lot of us jumped to conclusions the moment we heard a news story with partial facts about Araiza. That story is remembered differently now. Perhaps we can benefit from the learning moment that we do not know all the facts yet and shouldn't assume Von Miller is a horrific person, the same way we did with Matt Araiza.

 

I don't know what is more astonishing...the blind ignorance of the many around here displayed during the original Araiza situation...or the fact that ignorance learned nothing and is still rearing itself during the Miller situation.  

 

More astonishingly is the fact there are still people here holding onto their original false stance on the Araiza situation as if they know more than the police, investigators, witnesses, etc that all cleared him.  Its like the sports journalist who refuse to admit Josh Allen is good because they incorrectly stated he would be a bust.  

[Aussie Joe]

4 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

Von should be suspended today, and then they should find a way to get rid of him ASAP. The Buffalo Bills don't need a wife beater on the team. As I said in another thread:

 

That she called 911 and asked for the cops to come and help her is a stone cold fact, not an accusation. Of course, that call was recorded. Obviously, she feared for her safety, or maybe even her life.

 

That the initial cops on the scene (who got there shortly after she called 911) saw a woman in distress with visible bruises on her body is another stone cold fact.

 

Reportedly she made an audio or video recording of the incident. I have not seen the police report, but if that recording exists, then it's another stone cold fact of the situation.

 

The three paragraphs above surely are why the police arrested VM. IOW, it’s not a “he said she said”, because there is some hard evidence (especially the bruises, without those, I’d be a lot less sure about this matter).

 

The notion that she later recanted her story is not surprising AT ALL. She does not want Von to lose MILLIONS of dollars and/or be jailed, as then her life would be severely affected. DV victims do the recanting of violence from their abusers ALL THE TIME, especially when lots of $$$ is involved.

My prediction is that the cops don’t go ahead with this …how can they get a conviction without her co-operating?  so I’m assuming that means status quo…

 

If they stop paying him,. SHE will be the first one going to the media complaining about how unfair it is and that “it’s an over reaction and nothing happened”

 

 

[Bangarang]

He’s already been charged with a crime.

1 hour ago, Limeaid said:

 

If you think you are better at evaluating players than team staff you are kidding yourself.

 

And you should work for Puke Fantasy Football and maybe collect some kickbacks.

So just to be clear, you’re saying Von is definitely one of the best players we have on the field?

[zow2]

1 hour ago, WotAGuy said:

Apparently, this is a new rule in effect because it hasn’t been for the past 6 games. 

 

I think they realize Sunday at 4:25pm is playoff game #1,  and they really need to win it.

[Punching Bag]

11 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

He’s already been charged with a crime.

So just to be clear, you’re saying Von is definitely one of the best players we have on the field?

 

I am saying I do not have experience to think I know better than coaches,

[WotAGuy]

19 minutes ago, Bangarang said:

He’s already been charged with a crime.

Von has not been charged yet. He’s only been arrested and released on bail. 

[Mr. WEO]

boy Von has a lot of "misunderstandings" with this person.

 

3 hours ago, WideNine said:

It is the age we live in where it is trial by online media before the facts surface.

In fairness the NFL and College as well have a very bad reputation for burying crimes committed by players or seeing star player crimes transformed into punitive slaps on the wrists. I think back to the Ray Lewis incident where he and his crew got into a fight and the two victims apparently sprouted spontaneously fatal stab wounds, but no one was found guilty. The guy was inducted into the player hall of fame in 2018.

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/the-murder-case-that-ray-lewis-cant-shake-from-his-past/ar-AA15iqij

Organizations also have to take into consideration their image so if you have a lot of bad publicity surrounding a player you can easily replace, then it makes sense to replace that player. With Araiza I think Beane took the right approach with the narrative from OBD - that what was going on was a distraction for both the player and the organization and they were parting ways with Araiza to allow the situation to be sorted and settled by the player.

Beane did that without weighing in on the guilt or innocence of the player. With something like this with Von, I think things do get murky when you have domestic fights that turn public and result in accusations being levied. The Bills mafia may be jumping the gun because we are already frustrated with how much cap this player takes and that he has not been much of a factor on the field.

 

...and agree with the comments that Von is not contributing very much on game days.
 

 

They surfaced when she made then 911 call and the cops showed top and took her statement.

 

 

Lewis is absolutely guilty of obstruction of justice in that murder case.  HOF has no shame.

[Steptide]

I think some people are upset cuz they wanted out of miller's contract, and now it looks like nothing is gonna come of this incident.