Goodell: The NFL will become very global. More international games over the next 10 years.

[dpberr]

I don't think it will happen.  More international play=more international money=greater potential for more international owners of teams (which I speculate the league does not want.)

 

I think the NFL's worst nightmare is seeing foreign governments (through shell companies) like the Saudis or Chinese owning one or more franchises, or the league taking direction from those countries.

 

That's where the wealth is consolidating - old American billionaires won't own these franchises forever.  

[frostbitmic]

3 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

It won't be bad if they did the following. 

 

8 home games

8 away games

1 international game.   

 

No one loses a home game and that game is against the other conference 

That makes too much sense, therefore it won't happen that way.

[Gregg]

3 minutes ago, frostbitmic said:

That makes too much sense, therefore it won't happen that way.

 

At some point I would think they go to 18 games and reduce the preseason. Starters barely play in those games anyway.

[frostbitmic]

The aroma of getting paid by Saudi Arabia and Qatar to go play in the desert

 

[Matt_In_NH]

Can’t wait for the whining

[MPL]

4 hours ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said:

Why don’t they just bring back NFL Europe?  That was nice as a developmental league (a few guys transitioned to the NFL; I am recalling Orande Gadson and maybe even the great Brian Moorman). And I think the fans in Europe enjoyed it. 

I liked those Barcelona Dragons uniforms when I was a kid. That was about all I remember of the NFL Europe

[NoHuddleKelly12]

3 hours ago, boco357 said:

They should have quit after the debacle of the Toronto Series!

 

Wasn't that the brainchild of Wilson and the Bills themselves as a way to broaden their fanbase (cough, cough...revenue stream)? 

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bills_Toronto_Series

 

[RobbRiddick]

Well he better consider reducing the amount of flags and commercials. Fans raised on soccer see all the stoppages and laugh their asses off then switch channels

[PBF81]

40 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

I haven't watched a Super Bowl in probably 5 years.  It's on but I am half way paying attention or focusing on something else.

If I go to a party, I socialize more than watch.  

 

I like minor league baseball more as well because you are closer to the game.  You hear conversations in the dugouts if you're close enough, you hear the sound of the ball of the bat more, you hear the pop of the mitt more....it's a much better experience IMO.

 

One of the things that I like better about AAA ball is that the players seem to be trying harder.  

 

 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

The NFL needs to stop with this nonsense it’s a competitive disadvantage during the NFL season for teams that it’s there turn to go. It gives up Buffalo Bills home games. Buffalo is spending $1.5 billion dollars for it’s football stadium. There should be a clause in the Bills stadium lease like the New York Rangers have with MSG that all Bills home games have to be played at the New Bills Stadium.
 

Why give up Buffalo area game day revenue for area hotels and businesses for this nonsense. We all paid as Buffalo Bills fans to keep the Bills it isn’t too much to ask that the Bills play all their home games in the brand new billion dollar stadium. The Global cities aren’t giving up over a billion dollars to the NFL for a stadium to play football games. That is why no matter what nonsense the NFL says about Global expansion it’s never happening because the rest of the world isn’t rolling over for 32 greedy NFL owners. The same for MLB, NBA and NHL. It’s a big lie because the rest of world isn’t like the United States that rolls over for greedy sports team owners in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[Ramza86]

How many experiment games will be partaking in going forward?

[May Day 10]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

 

By making season 17 games they should make each game neutral not charging for season tickets that game including alternate sites in US and Canada.

Technically they have to have a  "home" team due to rule about calling coin but other than that there is nothing special about "home" team being declared.

Have teams in south without domes have their 17th game in more temperate climates during beginning of year and teams in north without domes have their games in warmer climate areas,  Others will just be fit into season using AWS screw Bills algorithm.

 

It seems to me like a no-brainer.

 

[BillsPride12]

Really looking forward to giving up my season tickets soon and never spending a hard earned dime on anything NFL related again.  I'll still watch the Bills games but I am done supporting the NFL financially.  Greedy M'Fer's! 

[Mr. WEO]

5 hours ago, Gregg said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/goodell-nfl-will-become-very-global-with-more-international-games-over-next-5-10-years/ar-AA1l4WuO?ocid=entnewsntp&pc=DCTS&cvid=8dd5193f62a140749bb055f746697c49&ei=11

 

4 hours ago, 17islongenough said:

It won't be bad if they did the following. 

 

8 home games

8 away games

1 international game.   

 

No one loses a home game and that game is against the other conference 

 

 

The Bills this year played 8 games in Buffalo, 8 games away and 1 international game.  Lat year they played 8 games in Buffalo, 9 away games, no international games.  

[transient]

So they can travel the world and break into other markets and fill their pockets but they can’t hire full time refs to fix the officiating… a handful more international games per season chock full of terrible play and indefensible officiating is just what the league needs to further alienate their diehard fans… these greedy tunnel-vision bastards may just throttle their golden goose someday yet. 

[finn]

4 hours ago, HereComesTheReignAgain said:

Not that this is news to anyone, but the NFL is making it abundantly clear that it values money and exposure much more than it values the hardcore, loyal fan base and legitimate competition.  It is really sad to see it head in this direction.  

The beginning of the end of NFL football. In ten years, it will be an unrecognizable mess, an object lesson in greed. 

[Gregg]

So were off to Brazil. LOL. I hope not.

 

DEC 6 BILLS COULD OPEN 2024 IN BRAZIL The NFL could look to expand its international audience, and Brazil may be next on the map.

ESPN reporter John Sutcliffe is reporting that the Miami Dolphins could open their 2024 season in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

While the schedule for 2024 won't be released until May, the Dolphins play the Buffalo Bills twice each year, and they could be the opposing team for Miami in that potential Brazil game.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

39 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

One of the things that I like better about AAA ball is that the players seem to be trying harder.  

 

 

Baseball was my sport growing up and I have played against guys that were called up.

 

Many of the better players are basically encouraged to not run it out as hard as they can on routine type of ground balls in the regular season.  Its because they are paying them a lot, a routine ground ball is like a .998 chance you are going to be out.

 

Why risk a hammy or ankle sprinting to first base?  We don’t have the same perspective as MLB owners.  Owners look at these players as business investments.  They don’t want to lose a starting CF for 2 months on a routine ground ball….especially since its a single at best.

 

You have a few that don’t care like a Jeter but from what I have been told, don’t risk the injury. 

[Buffalo ill]

4 hours ago, BBFL said:

 

Following of all American sports is massive outside State side. 
 

 

 

 

I suppose that could be true.  Maybe it's just a vocal minority of foreigners who cherish the opportunity to crap on US football while talking about how much better football (soccer) is.

 

In any case, the product on field in these overseas games seems to suffer.  Maybe there is an international market for poorly played nfl football.

[Mr. WEO]

1 hour ago, finn said:

The beginning of the end of NFL football. In ten years, it will be an unrecognizable mess, an object lesson in greed. 

 

this gets posted yearly, yet.....

 

when does the beginning end and the end actually begin?  

 

 

[WhoTom]

3 hours ago, Belgium_Bill said:

Unless of course the big plan is a European team without fixed home base, playing all over the place... 

 

The European Euros. You heard it here first.

 

 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Baseball was my sport growing up and I have played against guys that were called up.

 

Many of the better players are basically encouraged to not run it out as hard as they can on routine type of ground balls in the regular season.  Its because they are paying them a lot, a routine ground ball is like a .998 chance you are going to be out.

 

Why risk a hammy or ankle sprinting to first base?  We don’t have the same perspective as MLB owners.  Owners look at these players as business investments.  They don’t want to lose a starting CF for 2 months on a routine ground ball….especially since its a single at best.

 

You have a few that don’t care like a Jeter but from what I have been told, don’t risk the injury. 

 

That's interesting, thanks!

 

I've always wondered why they didn't try harder.  From a fan perspective my thought was always, "he's getting paid so much, hustle it out."  

 

So that makes sense.  

 

 

[Scott7975]

Oh yippe.  I can't wait to lose more home games and half our players to injury every year.

[Donuts and Doritos]

RODGER

[finn]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

this gets posted yearly, yet.....

 

when does the beginning end and the end actually begin?  

 

 

The beginning has started and the end is near. 😄

[The Red King]

2 hours ago, Gregg said:

So were off to Brazil. LOL. I hope not.

 

DEC 6 BILLS COULD OPEN 2024 IN BRAZIL The NFL could look to expand its international audience, and Brazil may be next on the map.

ESPN reporter John Sutcliffe is reporting that the Miami Dolphins could open their 2024 season in Sao Paulo, Brazil.

While the schedule for 2024 won't be released until May, the Dolphins play the Buffalo Bills twice each year, and they could be the opposing team for Miami in that potential Brazil game.

 

 

Oh, *hell* no.  Divisional games are very important.  One (home or away) should not be played overseas.  That and congrats, the Bills and Dolphins would then both be screwed for Week 2.

 

A divisional game overseas is a terrible idea.  A Week 1 game overseas is a terrible idea.  And here we have both.

 

Money grubbing punks running the league with zero regard for the integrity of the game.

[Gregg]

5 minutes ago, The Red King said:

 

Oh, *hell* no.  Divisional games are very important.  One (home or away) should not be played overseas.  That and congrats, the Bills and Dolphins would then both be screwed for Week 2.

 

A divisional game overseas is a terrible idea.  A Week 1 game overseas is a terrible idea.  And here we have both.

 

Money grubbing punks running the league with zero regard for the integrity of the game.

 

The author was just speculating on the Bills being the opponent as it could be anyone but the Dolphins playing over there is being considered.

[Jauronimo]

...and soup isn't as hot as it used to be!!! Whole world going to hell and we're just whistling through the grave yard on our cell phones and video games. Wish a sinkhole would just open up and swallow us all, gobbless. 

[BillsDiehard]

How about you fix what's broken with the ones in the US first!

[NoSaint]

9 hours ago, Fleezoid said:

 

And if Australia gets a game it'll be 6:30 or earlier I believe. Between these overseas games, officiating and trying to figure out which streaming service your game is on, the NFL is almost becoming too painful to follow. 

yup. 
 

I think they are forgetting how much of the explosion was fantasy football based and how obnoxious it is to have games with players less than 100% and at weird timings (thurs, Sunday at 8am, etc….)

 

then as you mention- moving into a ton of different platforms to view games. I don’t want to have to carry cable, Amazon, peacock, nfl network, and who knows what else to come to view a single team 17 times

[FireChans]

20 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

yup. 
 

I think they are forgetting how much of the explosion was fantasy football based and how obnoxious it is to have games with players less than 100% and at weird timings (thurs, Sunday at 8am, etc….)

 

then as you mention- moving into a ton of different platforms to view games. I don’t want to have to carry cable, Amazon, peacock, nfl network, and who knows what else to come to view a single team 17 times

And yet, you do carry those ways to view. And the NFL gets another fat paycheck from that streaming service for the rights.

 

the NFL continues to do these things because they are a business, and when a business has an opportunity to grow and make more money, they will.

 

If the NFL unveiled Tuesday Night Football from Antarctica, they would get killer ratings, we would all watch, and they would make money. 
 

It’s fiduciary malpractice to not expand when there’s an opportunity to do so.

Edited December 7, 2023 by FireChans

[NoSaint]

30 minutes ago, FireChans said:

And yet, you do carry those ways to view. And the NFL gets another fat paycheck from that streaming service for the rights.

 

the NFL continues to do these things because they are a business, and when a business has an opportunity to grow and make more money, they will.

 

If the NFL unveiled Tuesday Night Football from Antarctica, they would get killer ratings, we would all watch, and they would make money. 
 

It’s fiduciary malpractice to not expand when there’s an opportunity to do so.

I absolutely do not carry all of them, so a bold assumption there. And I would be considered amongst the best potential revenue streams. Huge disposable income, lifelong fan… My spend in both time viewing and cash committed over the last 5-7 years has dropped drastically due to the declining experience. Heck, I used to be a season ticket holder for a non-bills franchise, on top of being a rabid consumer of the bills. 
 

Monday night football returning to abc due to the hollywood strike made me a MNF consumer again for this year, as another clear example. 
 

im also in fewer fantasy leagues because of the discussed issues.

last up- I think people liked the event that was a Sunday with everyone playing and then the very special MNF game. Similarly I used to love the Saturday draft and clear a whole day. Now I check in on our picks online. They are diluting the experience for their core consumers to chase folks that may never materially convert. 

Edited December 7, 2023 by NoSaint

[chongli]

10 hours ago, Gregg said:

What does the league bring in revenue wise now. 20 - 25 billion a year. That number will be going up which is all Goodell, and the owners care about.  Something about watching football at 9:30 in the morning I will never get used too.

 

Move to the west coast and the games start at 10 AM!

[chongli]

7 hours ago, JohnNord said:

I’m guessing these international games have big financial gains because other than the tit doesn’t seem to add very much.  The games are never good, it complicated players and coaches lives - potentially puts players at risk, and most fans hate it.  
 

I also don’t think it significantly spreads worldwide awareness.  International fans already have access to all types of American broadcasts.  If they wanted to follow NFL they already would.   It just seems like soccer is always going to be the most popular sport worldwide 

 

Oh I think the fans overseas love it.

 

As far as popularity is concerned, American football is not even in the top 10:

 

https://www.worldatlas.com/articles/what-are-the-most-popular-sports-in-the-world.html

 

Rank - Sport - Name - Amount of Fans - Regions

 

1 Football (Soccer)3.5 Billion Europe, Africa, Asia, America

2 Cricket 2.5 Billion Asia, Australia, UK

3 Field Hockey 2 Billion Europe, Africa, Asia, Australia (not ice hockey)

4 Tennis 1 Billion Europe, Asia, America

5 Volleyball 900 Million Europe, Australia, Asia, America

6 Table Tennis 850 Million Europe, Africa, Asia, America

7 Basketball 800 Million America, Oceania, Middle East

8 Baseball 500 Million America, Japan

9 Rugby 475 Million Oceania, South Africa, England

10 Golf 450 Million America, Oceania, Europe

 

[baseball?? WTF?]

6 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

Starters barely play in those games anyway.

 

And you saw the results for teams in Week 1, like Buffalo and KC. In fact, our Jets loss set the tone for this failed (so far) season.

[BillsVet]

This will probably start like some of the European soccer teams do playing 1-2 games in North America before the season.  

 

The US fan base is pretty much what it is and there's not a lot of room for growth.  So, like any corporate initiative, they'll look for emerging markets and believe Europe/South America/Asia represent that.  Not surprising.    

 

What I'm interested in is how the NFLPA addresses initiatives like this.  They eventually caved on 17 games and likely will when 18 is up for consideration.  Seems like they get pushed around now by the owners in a way that Gene Upshaw never would have allowed.  NFLPA strikes me as just controlled opposition now, bending to owners' desire for revenue with token resistance.  

 

18 games is coming and so are more international games.  Also means more injuries, shorter careers, and lower quality games.  Have to wonder when the players start pushing back on their weak union.  

 

 

 

 

 

[Punching Bag]

16 hours ago, NoSaint said:

yup. 
 

I think they are forgetting how much of the explosion was fantasy football based and how obnoxious it is to have games with players less than 100% and at weird timings (thurs, Sunday at 8am, etc….)

 

then as you mention- moving into a ton of different platforms to view games. I don’t want to have to carry cable, Amazon, peacock, nfl network, and who knows what else to come to view a single team 17 times

  

They are even putting a playoff game on Peacock.  This is end of NFL unless there is a massive drop in viewers.

[Gregg]

On the plus side of playing games in all of these countries is we will all learn how to say "Jets Suck" in many different languages. 

[947]

At least Brazil is only a 2-hour time difference from ET. Much better than the Europe game time changes.

[Mr. WEO]

how is any of this news or new information?  The NFL has been very open and vocal about this for years.

[US Egg]

23 hours ago, Royale with Cheese said:

Many of the better players are basically encouraged to not run it out as hard as they can on routine type of ground balls in the regular season.  Its because they are paying them a lot, a routine ground ball is like a .998 chance you are going to be out.

 

You have a few that don’t care like a Jeter but from what I have been told, don’t risk the injury. 

Ichiro was the best.