Don Otreply Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Both, just sayin, make it work Beane, 😁👍 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Don Otreply said: Both, just sayin, make it work Beane, 😁👍 Cut Morse, Harty, Tre, Poyer & Johnson and we could probably figure out how to keep this DL together. I'm not opposed to it, tbh. Philly is patching it together in the Back 7, being driven by an elite DL. We could do the same, plus we'll have Bernard & Milano at LB. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Age and $’s are the only reason to go with AJE. Still a work in progress whereas Floyd has proven to be a consistent pass rusher. More money but my vote would go to Lenny. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Age is a factor but Floyd may still have 2 years left in him (Von, I know, I know...) and as it's been pointed out, we get a comp pick for AJ. I'll take the comp pick and more explosive player despite the age. But no more than a 2-year deal. Another 1-year deal would be great but I doubt he takes it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BaaadThingsMan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 AJE gets the long term deal based on home grown factor and age. Floyd I'd sign to another one year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBrownBear Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 AJE. I'm done giving money to old guys who are about to get injured or lose a step. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Neither. Epenesa sucks and Floyd will be old and expensive. Bills need to get younger, bigger, and faster on DL. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BullBuchanan Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 We won't be able to afford AJE. I figure he'll get $12-14M for 4/5 years. Floyd likely doesn't have many more great years in him at 31 either. Maybe he can have one more year like this, but I'll be shocked if he has two. I'd try to rent him one more time with a 2 year deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Straight Hucklebuck Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Floyd is the better pass rusher, but we've fallen into this trap so many times with this team. He will be 32 at the start of next season. You pay him to a multi-year deal and he's GOING to get hurt. Epenesa will be 26 at the start of next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 44 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Floyd is the better pass rusher, but we've fallen into this trap so many times with this team. He will be 32 at the start of next season. You pay him to a multi-year deal and he's GOING to get hurt. Epenesa will be 26 at the start of next season. Epenesa won't have 26 sacks in his entire career. Bye bye 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
26TrapDraw Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 6 hours ago, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freak-O Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 6 hours ago, DrDawkinstein said: I thought the same exact thing and was just schooled to the cap facts on this last week. I thought a retirement wipes out any dead money since the player is walking away. But nope, it counts the same as a cut or trade and escalates everything to an immediate dead cap hit. We would need Von to sign a completely new deal, retire on that, and then hire him as Asst to the Regional Manager. Next time we sign an aging superstar can we please sign one that hasn’t already won the Super Bowl and is thoroughly motivated to do so? Von doesn’t seem have that fire anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 Beane needs to keep both DE's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BuffaloRebound Posted November 28, 2023 Share Posted November 28, 2023 We need to get younger. Floyd ain’t gonna have another season like this one. In regards to Epenesa, I’m not breaking the bank for him. Too many light in the ass players on this defense. Build around Oliver and Rousseau on the D Line. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LabattBlue Posted November 29, 2023 Author Share Posted November 29, 2023 8 hours ago, RyanC883 said: I have to imagine Von would be able to land a top analysist gig if he retires. But I'm thinking he comes back. He clearly wants to prove that he can beat this and be dominant again. Can't really blame him for that. Based on what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
poblano Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Neither, and I'm a pro-AJE since the moment he was drafted. And the reason is simple, neither of them has been able to generate pressure at the end of the games, if you are going to pay big you need big plays at big moments, both have had god games (Floyd even a great one) but aren't able to put pressure to help the defense to close a game (Epenesa's almost fumbled Hurts in one of the last series of Philadelphia was the closest to that in the year). Obviously they can try to keep one of both, but always "at the right price" because none of them is worth big money as long as they don't produce in big moments Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 16 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Epenesa won't have 26 sacks in his entire career. Bye bye AJE gonna get to 26 sacks in his career easy, probably late next season. Going to finish this season with close to double digit, which would put him at 19 already. Four years into the league, Floyd had 18.5 sacks. Not to mention, AJE’s been making plays beyond just sacks. If you can resign him at a fair price on a multi year deal, you sign him before a 1 or 2 year deal on a 31 year old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 21 hours ago, MJS said: Yep, it would screw us real bad if he retired. He's not retiring. This guy owes us 1 damn good season. Burn it down my ass. Get healthy and do your job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 21 hours ago, RyanC883 said: McD being gone!!! But I think personnel wise we have to part with Morse, we no longer (hopefully) need a vet center for JA. Humphrey is doing well in KC. Let's get the best one in the draft (likely in 2nd round). WR, C, OL/WR, etc. Bates will replace Morris. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 AJE, stop signing old players for good money. 16 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Epenesa won't have 26 sacks in his entire career. Bye bye Well he has 15.5 as of right now… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 8 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: AJE, stop signing old players for good money. Well he has 15.5 as of right now… Yup. He will be out of the league in less than three years and he won't get another 10.5 sacks. If Von was healthy he would never see the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 I'm signing Leonard to a 2 yr deal. He's clearly the more consistent player. I don't see AJ getting another sack this year, putting him at 6.5, same as last year. I'm letting Epenesa walk and draft a new DE. Aj needed to show me more his first 2 years in the league and he didn't. His slight level of improvement is not near enough to justify a big contract. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 I’m not sure the question as both have been valuable this year. Von is still trying to get back to form. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 33 minutes ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Yup. He will be out of the league in less than three years and he won't get another 10.5 sacks. If Von was healthy he would never see the field. Considering he is the primary backup to Groot, not Von… If Von was healthy, Lawson would never see the field. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanC883 Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 4 hours ago, bigK14094 said: Bates will replace Morris. good point, but then need a backup for Bates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Floyd and it isn’t close Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Floyd is a better player but due to age I'd give the nod to AJE. 31 minutes ago, RyanC883 said: good point, but then need a backup for Bates. You can shift McGovern over or draft a kid in Round 4-7 to be a backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kincaid Kool-Aid Posted November 29, 2023 Share Posted November 29, 2023 Tough one. Depends on the money. Going with AJE assuming he doesn't cost much compared to Floyd. No question Floyd is better today but he's getting older and will likely command significantly more money. AJE has flashed potential and may not have reached his ceiling yet. For a while now we've spent too much money on the D relative to the O imo. The D needs to get younger and quicker and cheaper so more resources can go to supporting Josh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 10 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: Yup. He will be out of the league in less than three years and he won't get another 10.5 sacks. If Von was healthy he would never see the field. Literally the stats don’t agree with you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlazinBill Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 Floyd all day long- AJE sets the edge worse than a broken down Con Miller Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCofNC Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 11:12 AM, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. Von Retiring straight up screws the Bills, he needs to cut his salary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Livinginthepast Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 11:12 AM, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. I keep wondering if this is possible with Von. Would a guy of his ego really feel that bad about not living up to the terms of his contract and realizing that he was done do the right thing and leave all that money? Its a humungous cap hit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoSaint Posted November 30, 2023 Share Posted November 30, 2023 On 11/28/2023 at 10:12 AM, KDIGGZ said: Floyd will be one of the hottest names in FA. This is apples to organges. Maybe Von will do the right thing and retire so we can keep both. floyd is already 31 - so I think of the hot free agency names he will again be a second tier mercenary on a short contract Aje will be a young guy entering his prime years. While less productive- less mileage too. I suspect their annual value will be closer than expected with aje getting more years 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Andrew Jared should be top of BBB’s resign list this offseason. Guy’s been making clutch plays all season. Fingers crossed his rib injury isn’t too bad. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted December 11, 2023 Share Posted December 11, 2023 Get that AJE deal DONE! 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
strive_for_five_guy Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 On 12/11/2023 at 12:47 AM, DrDawkinstein said: Get that AJE deal DONE! DONE 🥳 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Now that we see the deals...I will take AJE at that price over Floyd at his age, price, and after a late season fall off. I wanted Floyd back too, but not at that price after he fell off and at his age. So loving the AJE deal 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Be interesting to see how much this moves from 70% Floyd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 By the end of the season id wanted aje Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dgrochester55 Posted March 11 Share Posted March 11 Looks like the choice has been made. I would have preferred Floyd, but if AJE is the player that he was last year instead of the first three, it will be a steal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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