Per Benjamin Allbright, McDermott's "seat is warm"

[Beck Water]

12 hours ago, Allen2Moulds said:

There's no question, that he's a well connected insider. Not sure what we get out of debating this. 

 

Then what's the point of this thread?  Are we supposed to assume that because Allbright tweets it out, it's eternal truth?

 

Yes, he's a well connected insider - for the Broncos.  That doesn't make him infalliable, and in the past, he hasn't been.

 

Maybe the Bills media who have said that the feeling is, McDermott gets a "pass" this year because of all the defensive injuries are better connected to the Bills.  Or maybe it's changed recently.  I don't know. 

 

But if we can't talk about it why are we here?

 

Edited November 27, 2023 by Beck Water

[corta765]

21 minutes ago, Captain Hindsight said:

For those of us who cannot stomach listening to WGR, could you give a synopsis 

 

More or less the angel like defense that normally existed for McD has transitioned to at least some critical moments which is big. I cannot remember since he took over that happening.

[LabattBlue]

17 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

This is true. Sal’s a pretty big homer, he must know they’re turning. 

Hahahaha.  You really think Sal knows if Pegula is considering firing McDummy?

 

 

[DuckyBoys]

32 minutes ago, Neo said:

Right ……

not saying Tomlin is great but he's winning with Pickett  Steelers fans will be watching playoffs most likely We will be disecting how Josh can eliminate the turnovers while still being 90% of the teams offense  Maybe Josh and Diggs can play defense in McDermotts prevent a win scheme

[pocoboy]

1 hour ago, Jauronimo said:

Do keep us updated if you come up with a better cliche.

 

How about McDermott could **** up a wet dream?

[HomeskillitMoorman]

4 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Hahahaha.  You really think Sal knows if Pegula is considering firing McDummy?

 

 

 

Yes, or he knows people within the organization that know that. 

 

It was the same with Chris Brown years ago. I still remember after Jauron's 3rd year he would drop these comments about "continuity", and then that's exactly what they Bills kept saying when they kept him for year 4. And then in year 4, Chris would finally start being critical of him, and we knew that was the turn. 

 

They have these guys whipped. 

[Jauronimo]

1 minute ago, pocoboy said:

 

How about McDermott could **** up a wet dream?

Good effort.

[PromoTheRobot]

2 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Yes, or he knows people within the organization that know that. 

 

It was the same with Chris Brown years ago. I still remember after Jauron's 3rd year he would drop these comments about "continuity", and then that's exactly what they Bills kept saying when they kept him for year 4. And then in year 4, Chris would finally start being critical of him, and we knew that was the turn. 

 

They have these guys whipped. 

 

It's like back in the 70's when the US state department would look at what Kremlin officials would show up for parades to know who was out.

Edited November 27, 2023 by PromoTheRobot

[PBF81]

53 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Certainly having a QB of Allen's capability, makes the range of error much larger in who you  might choose, though that's kind of what we have now too.  McD has made the playoffs and had a significant winning record in 5 of the 6 (maybe 7) years he's been here  Certainly would go for an offensive minded coach, person may be great with the X's and O's but doesn't always translate to being a good HC.  So there is still a risk.

 

The other question then is who's going to do the interviewing.  Assuming Pegula keeps Beane, likely would fall on him.  In fairness to him, he's never hired a HC before, likely never even interviewed one.  Maybe he participated in the process when the Panthers fired Rivera and hired the next guy??  If you also axed Beane, makes it even tougher.   Makes it tricky and a crap shoot to some level on who you hire.  I suppose Pegula could talk to his good buddy JJ for advise. 

 

Also have to wonder a bit if Pegula's major focus these days is taking care of his wife and may not want to deal with any of this and keep McD around for another year with promises from him of major staff and roster changes.

 

Yeah, all valid stuff.  

 

There are always risks, but consider, how many teams in NFL history have abjectly flopped while having a great QB?  Not a very good QB, but a great one.  

 

Thinking that we'd go back to our 6-10(11) or 7-9(10) days, with Allen at QB, and assuming that we devote our draft resources to building around Allen, is almost inconceivable.  

 

I'm sure there are a few, but how many as gifted as Allen?  Seems as if the low side of any such move would be about where we are now, so looking at it that way, it doesn't seem as if there is in fact much risk.  

 

I mean which coach could take this team and not get 10-7 from it as long as Allen's under center, and, assuming not making horrendous coaching blunders repeatedly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  

 

I would add another twist in my interview process.  I'd offer a 5-year contract with a 2-year review (probationary period let's call it)

 

One has to believe that many coaches would give their left nut to merely have a chance at coaching a QB like Allen, I don't think that would be a problem or an impediment to finding a coach.  If after that two-season review, it's determined that the offense, given whatever tools it had during those two seasons, wasn't optimized, then amicably part ways.  If it has been, and if Pegula and the fans are satisfied, then execute the extension.  

 

Time for some creativity.   

 

 

[pocoboy]

6 minutes ago, HomeskillitMoorman said:

 

Yes, or he knows people within the organization that know that. 

 

 

There are so many competing interests right now - players must be getting fed up with having to lock-step long with McDermott, Beane must be getting fed up handing him players only to have them go unused/benched, the fans are getting fed up with paying top dollar to watch their Head Coach get his a** handed to him in every moment where strategic thinking becomes important...hell even the Media are probably now sick of this constant litany of having to explain away things that a 4th grader learns by his 3rd season of Madden.

 

Then toss the owners on top of that, yes McDermott did clean up a rather ugly situation and brought them out of the dark. But you're at a precipice where his lack of competence is leading you dangerously close to it all tumbling back down into the pit. How does it feel for guys like Von Miller to go out there knowing they might suffer another terrible injury, and your coach isn't putting you in the best position to win?

 

Finally, you're starting to see this manifest in players' self-discipline. Dawkins flaunting his attempt to flop to a penalty (and Allen nearly every week flailing around for cheap PF's), the defensive linemen confronting Eagles fans, etc. I can't tell whether McDermott is a hard ass, a softie, or someone who doesn't really garner the respect we've been led to believe.

[Allen2Moulds]

1 hour ago, Beck Water said:

 

Then what's the point of this thread?  Are we supposed to assume that because Allbright tweets it out, it's eternal truth?

 

Yes, he's a well connected insider - for the Broncos.  That doesn't make him infalliable, and in the past, he hasn't been.

 

Maybe the Bills media who have said that the feeling is, McDermott gets a "pass" this year because of all the defensive injuries are better connected to the Bills.  Or maybe it's changed recently.  I don't know. 

 

But if we can't talk about it why are we here?

 

Report could be true, and we can still discuss the possibilities. The question for me is more about how likely is it. Does this latest meltdown increase the odds to 51%?

I think that what we do in these final 5 games can possibly swing it either way. As it stands we're 10th in the conference. We've poured a lot of capital into the defense, only for them to continuely fail whenever a stop is needed. Does Pegula blame McDermott or Beane for having an old and oft injured defense?

 

Until yesterday, I was still confident that we could make a run, but once again McDermott showed his inability to win a close game. Burning that last time out was absolutely wreckless. Give the offense the ball with 2 timeouts, and we still win the game. Heck, maybe even with the 1 we had. Instead we take a knee. That was unforgivable to me. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

2 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

He's going to get fired if the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Sal has turned, which means the organization has turned. 

I feel like this is true. Being reported it won’t happen in season, but if the team is mathematically eliminated then who knows. 

[TheyCallMeAndy]

There was speculation Sean McVay was going to resign last year, maybe he does this summer?

[TheFunPolice]

5 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

There was speculation Sean McVay was going to resign last year, maybe he does this summer?

 

Worst idea for the coach. Get fired instead. Otherwise, the old team still holds your rights and will control where you can go and demand a top draft pick in return for your rights. 

 

That vastly limits your options and weakens your new team. 

[Gregg]

25 minutes ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

I feel like this is true. Being reported it won’t happen in season, but if the team is mathematically eliminated then who knows. 

 

The next two games are the toughest. 6-8 and they are dead. 7-7 probably dead as 10-7 might not get them in with their conference record. 8-6 and they probably have a good shot at the playoffs. The game in LA will be a mini home game with Sofi will be packed with Bills mafia. The Chargers appear dead now so what kind of effort will they give. The Pats at home should be an easy win. I know they lost at NE, but they also lost to the Jets in week 1. Look at what happened in that rematch in Orchard Park. The Dolphins game will be tough, but Buffalo seems to match up well with Miami. If they get to 8-6 then 11-6 is very doable.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Gregg

[TheFunPolice]

Bill Belichick has 8 Super Bowl rings (6 as HC, 2 as DC with the Giants) and he is about to get fired. 

 

McDermott has won a couple of playoff games and this team is a mess. 

 

 

 

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

2 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

Yeah, all valid stuff.  

 

There are always risks, but consider, how many teams in NFL history have abjectly flopped while having a great QB?  Not a very good QB, but a great one.  

 

Thinking that we'd go back to our 6-10(11) or 7-9(10) days, with Allen at QB, and assuming that we devote our draft resources to building around Allen, is almost inconceivable.  

 

I'm sure there are a few, but how many as gifted as Allen?  Seems as if the low side of any such move would be about where we are now, so looking at it that way, it doesn't seem as if there is in fact much risk.  

 

I mean which coach could take this team and not get 10-7 from it as long as Allen's under center, and, assuming not making horrendous coaching blunders repeatedly snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.  

 

I would add another twist in my interview process.  I'd offer a 5-year contract with a 2-year review (probationary period let's call it)

 

One has to believe that many coaches would give their left nut to merely have a chance at coaching a QB like Allen, I don't think that would be a problem or an impediment to finding a coach.  If after that two-season review, it's determined that the offense, given whatever tools it had during those two seasons, wasn't optimized, then amicably part ways.  If it has been, and if Pegula and the fans are satisfied, then execute the extension.  

 

Time for some creativity.   

 

 

 

I nominate Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey for the task! 

 

[SectionC3]

2 hours ago, LabattBlue said:

Hahahaha.  You really think Sal knows if Pegula is considering firing McDummy?

 

 

Probably not.  But he does spend time at OBD and talk to people around the office.  It wouldn’t shock me if he’s catching vibes that maybe Terry is treating Sean different, or Beane is acting differently, or the assistants are worrying about having to move their kids, or whatever.  Capaccio is a homer of the nth degree who seems to really enjoy his interaction with the Bills, so if he has been more downcast on McD then it’s telling.  

3 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

I nominate Dick Jauron and Chan Gailey for the task! 

 

Gregg Williams.  Dickball actually won 13 games in Chicago one year, I believe, and Chan made a lot of chicken salad in his time here.  Greggo, however, was a special case.  He showed us all how someone can be over prepared for a job but still never ready for it.

[NoSaint]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Then what's the point of this thread?  Are we supposed to assume that because Allbright tweets it out, it's eternal truth?

 

Yes, he's a well connected insider - for the Broncos.  That doesn't make him infalliable, and in the past, he hasn't been.

 

Maybe the Bills media who have said that the feeling is, McDermott gets a "pass" this year because of all the defensive injuries are better connected to the Bills.  Or maybe it's changed recently.  I don't know. 

 

But if we can't talk about it why are we here?

 

I mean the tweet says he’d be reviewed, not fired. I suspect that’s just about 100% certain at this point. Will he be fired after said review is unsure but I think this is perhaps the first solid report of the door being open 

[BillsSbSoon]

1 hour ago, TheyCallMeAndy said:

There was speculation Sean McVay was going to resign last year, maybe he does this summer?

Yeah if mcvay were available he would have to be the #1 choice or close to it. But let’s be honest, that guy is not coaching in Buffalo ny after leaving Los Angeles whether josh Allen is here or not

[dpberr]

Warm?  I think he's been fired since the Cincy game.   The losses to the Broncos and Eagles have just provided the decision to part ways more cover.  

 

If the Bills are going to make "the" change, the window is the conclusion of the 2023 season, and you give the new coach a 2024 "build" year and a peaking 2025-2027 to coincide with the new stadium.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

[BuffaloBillyG]

6 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean the tweet says he’d be reviewed, not fired. I suspect that’s just about 100% certain at this point. Will he be fired after said review is unsure but I think this is perhaps the first solid report of the door being open 

It sounds to me more like lightly tossing stuff at the wall in case something sticks.

 

Pretty certain all teams (especially the ones who miss the playoffs) do a review of the seasons and why it played out the way it did. Common sense would be start at the top level (GM/HC) and review them, onto the rest of the coaching staff, then to players, training staff, ect ect.

 

Seems like he's throwing standard operating procedure out there as speculation.

Edited November 27, 2023 by BuffaloBillyG

[BillsSbSoon]

What has Sal said that shows he and/or the organization has turned? Could someone share that?

[NoSaint]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillyG said:

It sounds to me more like lightly tossing stuff at the wall in case something sticks.

 

Pretty certain all teams (especially the ones who miss the playoffs) do a review of the seasons and why it played out the way it did. Common sense would be start at the top level (GM/HC) and review them, onto the rest of the coaching staff, then to players, training staff, ect ect.

 

Seems like he's throwing standard operating procedure out there as speculation.

I think there is a difference between a standard check the box review and set priorities vs what is being implied here 

[BuffaloBillyG]

4 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think there is a difference between a standard check the box review and set priorities vs what is being implied here 

Possibly. But I don't really think anything was that strongly implied at all. Of course by keeping things past the statement "I know for a fact nothing will happen in season" vague it's certainly up to individual interpretation to determine the statement. Time will tell, for sure.

[bills742]

4 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Yeah if mcvay were available he would have to be the #1 choice or close to it. But let’s be honest, that guy is not coaching in Buffalo ny after leaving Los Angeles whether josh Allen is here or not

If McVay already wanted to potentially retire and go into broadcasting, I wouldn't want him. The way our team's history has been, some completely unbelievable outcome that hasn't happened in 50 years after his first season with us will push him over the edge into retirement. 

 

https://www.si.com/nfl/rams/news/los-angeles-rams-sean-mcvay-les-snead-retire-offseason-rumors-tv-broadcast-free-agency

[1st&ten]

1 hour ago, TheFunPolice said:

Bill Belichick has 8 Super Bowl rings (6 as HC, 2 as DC with the Giants) and he is about to get fired. 

 

McDermott has won a couple of playoff games and this team is a mess. 

 

 

 

 

How do you know that Belichick is getting fired ?

[njbuff]

His seat should be ablaze, never mind warm.

[Beck Water]

25 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I mean the tweet says he’d be reviewed, not fired. I suspect that’s just about 100% certain at this point. Will he be fired after said review is unsure but I think this is perhaps the first solid report of the door being open 

 

Unless they won the Superbowl, I think the performance of every coach gets reviewed after every season.

Alert The Media.

 

7 minutes ago, 1st&ten said:

How do you know that Belichick is getting fired ?

 

He saw it on Twitter, It must be true

Edited November 27, 2023 by Beck Water

[NoSaint]

4 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Unless they won the Superbowl, I think the performance of every coach gets reviewed after every season.

Alert The Media.

 

 

He saw it on Twitter, It must be true

I think that even the Super Bowl winner gets his performance reviewed. I think the implication here is his employment status will be reviewed and I don’t think 32 (or 31) coaches will get that this year 

[Beck Water]

7 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I think that even the Super Bowl winner gets his performance reviewed. I think the implication here is his employment status will be reviewed and I don’t think 32 (or 31) coaches will get that this year 

 

I mean, football is performance based.  Kubiak won the Superbowl with the Ghost of Peyton Manning, Rico Dennison as OC, and "Son of Bum" as DC.  The review was probably a rubber stamp "pass, and all's well".

 

Next season, 9-7, miss the playoffs with the Broncos 7th round draft pick Trevor Siemian at QB, and all of them got sent to the Unemployment Line.  The Lesson/Watch Out there is that the Broncos are on their 5th different coach in 7 years since then, and only just now starting to sniff at the possibility of a winning season and playoffs again.

 

My point isn't that McDermott shouldn't face scrutiny or even be fired, my point is that changing coaches is not the panacea some here apparently believe it to be.

Edited November 27, 2023 by Beck Water

[FilthyBeast]

42 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said:

Yeah if mcvay were available he would have to be the #1 choice or close to it. But let’s be honest, that guy is not coaching in Buffalo ny after leaving Los Angeles whether josh Allen is here or not

 

 I brought up McVay before and other had similar sentiments, but at the end of the day these dudes have massive egos and if it was a truly viable scenario there's no way he's passing up the opportunity to coach a team with the best QB he's ever had in Josh Allen.

 

This is has also been my argument that if/when Terry Pegula does dump McDummy...you'll see every big name out there lining up and begging for an interview in Buffalo because of Josh Allen.

 

Ben Johnson is another name tossed around and remember he said no to the Carolina Panthers last year. If Buffalo comes calling not only is he saying yes but probably not bothering to interview with any other team.

[mannc]

28 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

I mean, football is performance based.  Kubiak won the Superbowl with the Ghost of Peyton Manning, Rico Dennison as OC, and "Son of Bum" as DC.  The review was probably a rubber stamp "pass, and all's well".

 

Next season, 9-7, miss the playoffs with the Broncos 7th round draft pick Trevor Siemian at QB, and all of them got sent to the Unemployment Line.  The Lesson/Watch Out there is that the Broncos are on their 5th different coach in 7 years since then, and only just now starting to sniff at the possibility of a winning season and playoffs again.

 

My point isn't that McDermott shouldn't face scrutiny or even be fired, my point is that changing coaches is not the panacea some here apparently believe it to be.

No one is saying that changing coaches is a panacea or that it's without risk; we are saying that it is now all but certain that the McDermott era is not going to produce a championship, so it's time to try something else.  Four years of Josh Allen's prime is enough to waste on the McDermott experiment.   It has nothing to do with the Denver Broncos and their inability to find a QB after Peyton Manning's retirement.  

[Gregg]

https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-rumors-10-head-coaches-fired-this-year

[Beck Water]

11 minutes ago, mannc said:

No one is saying that changing coaches is a panacea or that it's without risk; we are saying that it is now all but certain that the McDermott era is not going to produce a championship, so it's time to try something else.  Four years of Josh Allen's prime is enough to waste on the McDermott experiment.   It has nothing to do with the Denver Broncos and their inability to find a QB after Peyton Manning's retirement.  

 

Tell me more about this.  Why is it "all but certain"?

Edited November 27, 2023 by Beck Water

[Dillenger4]

17 hours ago, KDIGGZ said:

McDermott just signed an extension. He will get another shot next year guaranteed. Too much $ owed to him. Terry is cheap

Yep - this right here. McD ain't going anywhere.

That and his D was decimated by injuries this season: D. Jones, Von, Milano, tre, Jackson etc etc.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

6 minutes ago, Gregg said:

https://clutchpoints.com/nfl-rumors-10-head-coaches-fired-this-year

that site is a human rights violation, even with an ad blocker

 

liable to catch the herp going there

 

[mannc]

Just now, Beck Water said:

 

Tell me more about this.  Why is it "all but certain"?

Because it would have happened by now if it was going to happen; we've never come particularly close; things are now getting worse, not better; and this team under McDermott is losing the same way, over and over and over.  That's enough for any rational person.  Time to try something else.     

[Perk71]

5 hours ago, TheFunPolice said:

He's going to get fired if the Bills miss the playoffs.

 

Sal has turned, which means the organization has turned. 

Maybe this is the reason he fired Dorsey.  The organization put McDermott on notice and he is fighting for his job...

 

Go Bills!!

[BillsSbSoon]

40 minutes ago, FilthyBeast said:

 

 I brought up McVay before and other had similar sentiments, but at the end of the day these dudes have massive egos and if it was a truly viable scenario there's no way he's passing up the opportunity to coach a team with the best QB he's ever had in Josh Allen.

 

This is has also been my argument that if/when Terry Pegula does dump McDummy...you'll see every big name out there lining up and begging for an interview in Buffalo because of Josh Allen.

 

Ben Johnson is another name tossed around and remember he said no to the Carolina Panthers last year. If Buffalo comes calling not only is he saying yes but probably not bothering to interview with any other team.

I just don’t see him and his supermodel wife moving to Buffalo, at all. If it were even a possibility obviously I hope it would happen. We have an owner with deep pockets so you can never say never. A josh Allen and mcvay led offense would be unbelievable. Ben Johnson is much more realistic and would probably jump at the chance I agree there