gonzo1105 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Feel free to merge this with the other Frazier thread but the more I watch this defense, and this team in general, has an edge to it. It’s pretty clear through 4 games that Frazier wasn’t running McDermotts defense and McDermott determined that his DC was holding some players back. The difference in play and aggressiveness from Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau have been night and day. The development of AJ Epenesa who has been really good early this year, Terrell Bernard, Christian Benford look like pro bowl type players now. just a huge night and day difference with some of these guys from last year. 6 11 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 (edited) McD is way more aggressive, Fraz’s bend don’t break soft play was a killer. Edited October 1, 2023 by PayDaBill$ 1 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I’d pump the brakes on pro bowl talk but a couple of these guys look better this year. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brand J Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Frazier’s defense was frustratingly soft against capable offenses. No way do the Bills hold Miami to 20 pts if he was calling the defense today. 1 16 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 To think, I wanted Fangio. He is even more passive than Frazier. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bills!Win! Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Is he the NFL’s version of Ralph Krueger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 His defence was wayyyy too vanilla. Rush 4, no simulated pressures, rarely blitzed. Against bad QBs it works (which is why they had good numbers in the regular season) But good QBs pick that apart Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 If this is indeed the case, why did McDermott not intervene???? Ugh even more frustrating 1 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Coach Tuesday Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I mean - the players on defense have developed just fine. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bobobonators Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 39 minutes ago, Fallser said: I’d pump the brakes on pro bowl talk but a couple of these guys look better this year. Meh. I wouldnt pump the breaks. Going into this week the talk on here was that we hadn’t played a great offense yet so let’s see how we do vs the Dolphins. This D laid the wood on the Dolphins. We can start chirping a little. 5 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterStrategist Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I wouldn't say it hurt player development. Rather, it's very clear we could have seen even better results during his tenure (especially against top tier offenses). Bottom line, appears we're in good hands 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuckyBoys Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 with McDermott there are adjustments and a diff game plan week to week I swear with Frazier it was the same exact thing every week regardless of the opponent 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 37 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: To think, I wanted Fangio. He is even more passive than Frazier. Second time that Josh has punished a Fangio D 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 I'm not going to argue Frazier is better but with a healthy roster you could do a lot worse than Frazier. McDermott is a head coach for a reason. He is better and I'm glad he's calling the D. Let's hope we can keep most of the roster healthy this year. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
delirious Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 Its no coincidence this defense looks like it's fierce and attacking. Frazier defense I was always getting the impression that our defense is soft. This defense looks like a killer, and the players look like they are enjoying it way more. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PayDaBill$ Posted October 1, 2023 Share Posted October 1, 2023 33 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I'm not going to argue Frazier is better but with a healthy roster you could do a lot worse than Frazier. McDermott is a head coach for a reason. He is better and I'm glad he's calling the D. Let's hope we can keep most of the roster healthy this year. Frazier healthy roster or not ran a scheme that’s was seriously faulted. End of story. 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackbeard Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just stop with this stuff. next week, if they were to lose, you’d be praising Frazier and starting posts about McD. 3 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 41 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: I'm not going to argue Frazier is better but with a healthy roster you could do a lot worse than Frazier. McDermott is a head coach for a reason. He is better and I'm glad he's calling the D. Let's hope we can keep most of the roster healthy this year. You can’t argue Frazier was better…cause he wasn’t. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Frazier was a very good coordinator. McDermott is simply better. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EasternOHBillsFan Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: Just stop with this stuff. next week, if they were to lose, you’d be praising Frazier and starting posts about McD. You're wrong.... dead wrong. Everyone can see the night and day difference in the attacking nature of our defense this season. 5 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted October 2, 2023 Author Share Posted October 2, 2023 6 minutes ago, Blackbeard said: Just stop with this stuff. next week, if they were to lose, you’d be praising Frazier and starting posts about McD. No actually I wouldn't. You can see a difference with this defense for whatever reason. This defense is playing with a physical pissed off edge this year. Something that I didn't see over the last couple of years. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: To think, I wanted Fangio. He is even more passive than Frazier. Fangio doesn't have the luxury of all pros at nearly every position either. Holland is about the only player in the secondary worth accounting for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sven233 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 hour ago, JayBaller10 said: Frazier’s defense was frustratingly soft against capable offenses. No way do the Bills hold Miami to 20 pts if he was calling the defense today. This Dolphin's offense would put up 50 on Frazier's soft, predictable defense. 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, MPT said: Fangio doesn't have the luxury of all pros at nearly every position either. Holland is about the only player in the secondary worth accounting for. the dolphins have a lot of money in that defense. Holland and Howard (and Ramsey) in secondary, and Wilkins, siler, Davis, and Chubb up front. If Fangio can’t work with that group, they are in trouble. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPT Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: the dolphins have a lot of money in that defense. Holland and Howard (and Ramsey) in secondary, and Wilkins, siler, Davis, and Chubb up front. If Fangio can’t work with that group, they are in trouble. Yeah their line is good. That's why I specified the secondary. I should have also specified LB since we are far more talented there as well. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yobogoya! Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 3 minutes ago, Miyagi-Do Karate said: the dolphins have a lot of money in that defense. Holland and Howard (and Ramsey) in secondary, and Wilkins, siler, Davis, and Chubb up front. If Fangio can’t work with that group, they are in trouble. Wow how bad was that defense that I forgot Xavien Howard and Nick Chubb were on it, lol. Don't think I heard a peep of either one of their names. Wilkins was invisible too, but honestly I only ever notice him when he's throwing a cheap shot anyway. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
That's No Moon Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I don't know that it hurt development. It does seem clear that it did keep certain players from doing what they do best though. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarlinTheMagician Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I am glad McDermott is calling the D plays. But Leslie Frazier was, is and will always be one helluva human being dedicated to his players and his craft. Let's not do the after-the-fact blame game and be happy with what we have. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Just now, Yobogoya! said: Wow how bad was that defense that I forgot Xavien Howard and Nick Chubb were on it, lol. Don't think I heard a peep of either one of their names. Wilkins was invisible too, but honestly I only ever notice him when he's throwing a cheap shot anyway. I actually wasn’t sure any of them played today. They were just run over. that Chubb trade and signing too is looking awful. I would rather have Leonard Floyd. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 46 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: Feel free to merge this with the other Frazier thread but the more I watch this defense, and this team in general, has an edge to it. It’s pretty clear through 4 games that Frazier wasn’t running McDermotts defense and McDermott determined that his DC was holding some players back. The difference in play and aggressiveness from Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau have been night and day. The development of AJ Epenesa who has been really good early this year, Terrell Bernard, Christian Benford look like pro bowl type players now. just a huge night and day difference with some of these guys from last year. I’ve been saying this for 2 years. The moment Frazier “stepped away” and McD took over I said the biggest improvement to this team was Frazier being gone. It is so much better watching this McD led defense than Fraziers crap fest 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Frazier’s biggest issue was that he didn’t play aggressively at the right times in games, the talent for the most part has been there, he just didn’t use it to its best advantage. Now take McDermott, he plays aggressively at the right times during games, with essentially the same talent, and the results speak for themselves, Sean thus far is a better DC than Frazier. Some folk on this board are reluctant to accept this reality, but they will come around. GO BILLS!!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalosouth Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 They scored less than 1/3rd their points from last week... pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 52 minutes ago, whorlnut said: You can’t argue Frazier was better…cause he wasn’t. Any one can argue anything. Read some of the posts in here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoofHearted Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: Feel free to merge this with the other Frazier thread but the more I watch this defense, and this team in general, has an edge to it. It’s pretty clear through 4 games that Frazier wasn’t running McDermotts defense and McDermott determined that his DC was holding some players back. The difference in play and aggressiveness from Ed Oliver, Greg Rousseau have been night and day. The development of AJ Epenesa who has been really good early this year, Terrell Bernard, Christian Benford look like pro bowl type players now. just a huge night and day difference with some of these guys from last year. Incorrect, it's the same system. McDermott is just a more aggressive play caller than Frazier. Same system, same concepts, different signal caller is all the difference. 1 hour ago, DuckyBoys said: with McDermott there are adjustments and a diff game plan week to week I swear with Frazier it was the same exact thing every week regardless of the opponent Silly statement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 9 minutes ago, Maine-iac said: Any one can argue anything. Read some of the posts in here. Cool Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 After watching McD's amazing performance today my only grevience is why he didn't take over sooner? It might of landed us a SB. Better late than never. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 I think it was more edmunds than Frazier, but that’s just me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maine-iac Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, whorlnut said: Cool Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 Frazier also didn’t have Leonard Floyd, healthy Ed Oliver, 3rd year Greg Rousseau, Hyde, or Terrell Bernard. I’m not saying McDermott isn’t better, I think he is, but McDermott is working w/ a much improved front 7. Frazier called some great games as well, but folded when it counted. I want to see how McD adapts as the season goes on and more players inevitably get injured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whorlnut Posted October 2, 2023 Share Posted October 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Maine-iac said: Thanks 🙄 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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