Who else is in the let’s get Gabe Davis signed to an extension camp?

[whorlnut]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

Drafted young WRs are crap shoots.  Veterans are a much safer bet.  Go Diggs like, yes we could have had J Jeff but also look at all the others we may have had that haven't panned out..  Buy a veteran, don't take any chances with this.   And since you're getting a veteran do it in-season, don't wait.

 

For instance, M Evans- he has a $13M salary this year and by the time they do an in-season trade over 1/3 of the season is gone.  Probably for the third we got for Edmunds.  You give him a two year contract (to overlap Diggs' contract for insurance purposes) at not much more than it would cost for Davis, around the money that DHop got.  M Evans already knows the role he will have, and would probably love being WR2 in this offense.  He's working on a HOF career and this would be a great way to keep at it.

 

If Beane can get more creative, a run for C Kupp could happen.  Diggs style.  Throw a first their way and maybe Elam, and have them eat some of the money so we can make the finances work.

 

I disagree. Rookie WRs are acclimating to the league MUCH faster these days. Give me someone on a rookie deal all day long. For example…people said this was a bad year for WRs, but Addison, flowers, JSN, Jayden Reed, and a few others have made major contributions so far. This isn’t the old nfl. Young receivers can come in and make an instant impact and be had on the cheap for at least 4 years. It comes down to trusting your scouting department.

[billsfan89]

I think by the end of the next 3-4 weeks we will know if Gabe is up to it consistently or is he more of a WR3/4 supplemental deep threat kind of player? He had a great game against the Raiders and looked very similar to last season against the Commanders and Jets. Small sample size so let's see more of him before the Bills go out and make a trade for a WR. 

[Alphadawg7]

53 minutes ago, Einstein's Dog said:

I didn't say you were suggesting a trade, I am.  And the trade talk is not about moving Gabe, it's about the Bills bringing in another WR.  The evaluation the FO is making is if Gabe is WR2 material.  If they make that decision within the two month time frame they then try and get a real WR2 (and that would obviously signal no intention of signing Gabe next year).  That is a big time move for a SB push.

 

The FO had claimed that Gabe's disappointing 2022 was because of injuries.  I don't see any improvement while he is uninjured.  

 

The FO was already leery of Gabe and had investigated OBJ and DHop.  I'm hoping this is plan B.

My mentioning a trade if for the Bills to get a better WR, not move Gabe.  If the FO makes the decision that Gabe is not the WR2, then they can try and go get one now - in-season trade.  A Mike Evans type with the mind set that Gabe leaves next year.

 

 

It takes time for a WR to learn the playbook, develop timing and feel with a QB.  The odds Gabe would be traded in season for a WR who doesn't know the offense or have any experience with Josh are low IMO.  I just don't think its likely, especially since the staff is less down on Gabe than many of the fans are.  

 

So I wouldn't hold your breath on a trade, I just don't see that happening

Edited September 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

I would extend him now while his value  is low. Davis is still a very nice piece even if he doesn’t show anymore major improvement. 

[Alphadawg7]

26 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

What, is that a joke? 
 

He has 9 catches, ALL of which have either gone for a 1st-Down or scored a TD.  He caught Allen's only TD pass in the last game. 

 

He has logged 1st-Downs and in one case the TD itself, on drives featuring over half the teams offensive points and on 6 of the teams TD drives.  

 

That's not making in impact?  

LOL  

 

OK  

 

There's not another player in the league with that this season.  

 

 

 

Dude, you are manipulating that info lol.  All but 3 catches came in one game but you keep grouping it to mask his lack of production in 2 of them.

 

There is not another player in the league making that kind of impact...you mean like catching just 3 out of 8 passes over 2 games?  You know, you are probably right, they are likely on the bench lol.  

 

The list of WR's having a bigger impact and more production for their team than Davis is long.  There are rookies doing better so far.  

Edited September 28, 2023 by Alphadawg7

[dayman]

He’s worth mid-to-low tier #2 money. He drops balls and doesn’t flash enough for anything more.

 

in a world where our cap opens up at some point I would hope for more at #2

[78thealltimegreat]

1 hour ago, PBF81 said:

 

So is the argument that he sucks, or  wants too much money?  
 

I'm not paying him $15/season.  Not happening if I'm the GM and I don't see Beane even entertaining that notion.  

 

 

 

Yeah, pretty much.  

 

 

That’s the point he’s going to price himself out of Buffalo for his production they can replace him 

[PBF81]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

Dude, you are manipulating that info lol.  All but 3 catches came in one game but you keep grouping it to mask his lack of production in 2 of them.

 

There is not another player in the league making that kind of impact...you mean like catching just 3 out of 8 passes over 2 games?  You know, you are probably right, they are likely on the bench lol.  

 

The list of WR's having a bigger impact and more production for their team than Davis is long.  There are rookies doing better so far.  

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

 

7 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

That’s the point he’s going to price himself out of Buffalo for his production they can replace him 

 

Quite possibly.  I have no idea, guesswork at best.  But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money.  

 

Happens all the time in the NFL.  

 

All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had.  Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal.  And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better?   

 

We'll see.  

 

 

[billsfan89]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

It takes time for a WR to learn the playbook, develop timing and feel with a QB.  The odds Gabe would be traded in season for a WR who doesn't know the offense or have any experience with Josh are low IMO.  I just don't think its likely, especially since the staff is less down on Gabe than many of the fans are.  

 

So I wouldn't hold your breath on a trade, I just don't see that happening

 

If the Bills are going to make a trade for a WR they are going to not include Gabe in the trade. For one you are correct they are going to want Gabe still there as a security blanket in case of a learning curve for a vet WR brought in. Secondly, I think that they are likely hoping to get a comp pick for Gabe if he walks in free agency. So why give him up for some other team to possibly get the comp pick? 

 

Right now if Gabe is still up and down the next few weeks and it is impacting the offense massively then I can see a WR trade for Jerry Jeudy or Mike Evans one year rental type trade. 

[BADOLBILZ]

3 hours ago, Dopey said:

Sometimes you make too much sense for some here. I was going to interject with the same thing. 

 

 

@Alphadawg7 has potential because he is thinking it thru and trying to figure it out.    He shouldn't have believed for a second of this offseason that Gabe was anything more than what he's proven to be in his first 3 years because his deficiencies are not necessarily fixable.   Sometimes there just isn't enough talent.  But better to come to that realization late than never.   You on the other hand........you are just good with being wrong and defiant about it,  from what I've seen.

[GoBills808]

It's pretty funny that people think 9catches on 15 targets through three games couldn't be replicated by another random receiver in free agency or any 2-5th Rd pick

[Alphadawg7]

58 minutes ago, PBF81 said:

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

Dude you keep moving the goal post lmao.  No one is judging him off 3 games...they are judging him off 3 years and 3 games SMH.

 

And he is on pace for 901 yards, not 1000.  If he goes on to produce MORE than he has been producing, then great, it wouldn't be an issue now would it.  I don't see anyone complaining about your made up year end stats that have not happened yet...they are concerned about the ACTUAL inconsistent performances and ACTUAL pace he is on not being anything better than what we have seen in the past.  

 

If he goes on to show consistency and reliability week to week the rest of the season then that is great.  But he hasn't been consistent in his first 3 years and he hasn't been consistent in the first 3 games.  So we are still waiting for that to happen.

[JerseyBills]

On 8/10/2023 at 9:53 PM, JerseyBills said:

I'm definitely in that camp unless he shows no improvement,  which I doubt

 

Hopefully lock him in for a good contract to pair w Diggs for 3+ years

I still feel this way, even moreso that he earned that captain role. 

I'd try to get a deal done asap. Even if we draft a WR in rd 1, we'll be picking 32nd. Seems it's such a crap shoot at wr. picking that late and i don't see a FA WR we're capable of paying that's better than Gabe. 

[Alphadawg7]

24 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

@Alphadawg7 has potential because he is thinking it thru and trying to figure it out.    He shouldn't have believed for a second of this offseason that Gabe was anything more than what he's proven to be in his first 3 years because his deficiencies are not necessarily fixable.   Sometimes there just isn't enough talent.  But better to come to that realization late than never.   You on the other hand........you are just good with being wrong and defiant about it,  from what I've seen.

 

To be clear, I never said I believed in him coming into the season after I was down on him after last year.  I said I had some renewed optimism by the time season started given his reportedly strong camp and being a contract year, but I was never sold and I still needed to see it on the field...and so far, I haven't. 

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Alphadawg7 said:

 

To be clear, I never said I believed in him coming into the season after I was down on him after last year.  I said I had some renewed optimism by the time season started given his reportedly strong camp and being a contract year, but I was never sold and I still needed to see it on the field...and so far, I haven't. 

 

 

Yeah I heard you the first time..........like I said........you shouldn't have got sucked in even for that moment.

 

After 3 years of the same issues and tons of film identifying his talent deficiencies it should have been abundantly clear.

 

It's not for lack of hardwork or buy-in etc...........the guy just isn't talented enough to be a high end WR2 for a SB contender.

 

[78thealltimegreat]

3 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

 

 

Quite possibly.  I have no idea, guesswork at best.  But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money.  

 

Happens all the time in the NFL.  

 

All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had.  Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal.  And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better?   

 

We'll see.  

 

 

Have you seen this years draft class of receivers Xavier Worthy who is currently the 5th best receiver prospect would have been the top receiver taken in last Aprils draft 

[AuntieEm]

On 8/10/2023 at 7:29 PM, John from Riverside said:

I get the reservations, the not being able to stay healthy thing on the ankle is definitely supportive of that
 

I’m just saying if he has a great year he’s gone they are paying ridiculous money to wide receivers

If he stays healthy and has a great season then he earned the right to decide what's most important for him and his career.  If the Bills can't work a deal he will  accept then I wish him well and see who we sign or draft.  We have  QB capable of making talented players shine so there be options to replace him.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[Beck Water]

9 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

What, is that a joke? 
 

He has 9 catches, ALL of which have either gone for a 1st-Down or scored a TD.  He caught Allen's only TD pass in the last game. 

 

He has logged 1st-Downs and in one case the TD itself, on drives featuring over half the teams offensive points and on 6 of the teams TD drives.  

 

That's not making in impact?  

LOL  

 

OK  

 

There's not another player in the league with that this season.  

 

 

 

So pro-football-reference has this handy feature.  If you check "toggle per game statistics", you can then sort it any way you like.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/receiving.htm

 

If we sort it on "receptions" with "per game" enabled, we can see that Davis is #89 amoung receivers.

Touchdowns, 26th, 1st downs 29th

 

He is still  near the top in yards per reception, top 10.  His catch % so far is better than last season, 60%.

 

I expect that if one sets the parameters just right, you can manage to discern an impact no other player is having, but the above might suggest that there are quite a few receivers having a good impact.

 

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Beck Water

[FireChans]

6 hours ago, Alphadawg7 said:

If he goes on to show consistency and reliability week to week the rest of the season then that is great.  But he hasn't been consistent in his first 3 years and he hasn't been consistent in the first 3 games.  So we are still waiting for that to happen.

Gabe's game is just not consistency. He's not a chain moving WR or a do it all WR like Diggs. He's a deep threat guy and not an elite deep threat at that so he's always going to be boom or bust. That's his skill set. He can't run the whole tree. He's going to have 4-5 catch 90 yard game, then turn around and have a 2 catch 20 yard game.

 

Expecting Gabe to suddenly become a more versatile player at this stage in the game is just a fool's hope.

 

Even in that pitiful end around Dorsey called, Gabe looked like he was running in quicksand. Not that it was his fault, that call was awful to start, but he ain't a "get the ball in his hands" type weapon.

[newcam2012]

10 hours ago, FireChans said:

It should’ve been, with Gabe only under contract for 2 more seasons.

 

anyways, you don’t have to argue with me about WR being a need, argue with Beane who had to sign the corpses of John Brown and Beasley to give the WR room some juice last year. 

Harty and Sherfield certainly don't seem to be great pieces either. In short, the Bills WR core is not dynamic, explosive, or elite. Pretty disappointing thus far. 

7 hours ago, PBF81 said:

 

By that rationale, Cincy should go ahead and cut Tee Higgins then.  

 

Judging Davis on three games, .... SMH  

 

I stand by my assessment, barring injury Davis finishes the season with 1,000/10 or better.  If that qualifies as good, so be it.  LOL  

 

 

 

 

Quite possibly.  I have no idea, guesswork at best.  But that's on him as to whether he'd rather stick around with Allen or go elsewhere for the money.  

 

Happens all the time in the NFL.  

 

All I know is that Davis is the best drafted WR we've had.  Beane's success at drafting WRs otherwise is abysmal.  And what, we're going to pay for a #2 (really another #1) in free agency otherwise, and end up with better?   

 

We'll see.  

 

 

I'd be surprised if Davis reaches those numbers. We will see 

 

I've seen enough to move on from Davis. The Bills need an upgrade for sure. The only way is advocate for keep Davis is on the cheap due WR3 pay. That's what he is. 

[FireChans]

2 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

Harty and Sherfield certainly don't seem to be great pieces either. In short, the Bills WR core is not dynamic, explosive, or elite. Pretty disappointing thus far. 

Sherfield averages 10 yards per game in his career. I guess he's a fine blocker, but behind Diggs its the same old trash it's been since 2020.

 

I think Emmanuel Sanders 2 years retired could call Beane and immediately be WR2/3 AGAIN. Inexcusable.

[Thurman#1]

4 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Harty and Sherfield certainly don't seem to be great pieces either. In short, the Bills WR core is not dynamic, explosive, or elite. Pretty disappointing thus far. 

I'd be surprised if Davis reaches those numbers. We will see 

 

I've seen enough to move on from Davis. The Bills need an upgrade for sure. The only way is advocate for keep Davis is on the cheap due WR3 pay. That's what he is. 

 

 

Sorry, dude, but again, saying Davis is a #3 is just dumb. It says far more about you and your preconceptions than it does about Davis. #3s produce like #3s. That's how you know they're #3s. #2 like Davis produce like #2s. That's what he did last year and he's well on his way this year to significant improvement.

 

The Bills pass catchers look plenty good. They spent far more resources on TE this year than they did on WRs, and that shows but there's nothing wrong with it. It looks like it will give defenses plenty more good options to deal with.

 

They produced enough to win every game this year, and it would have amounted to more if Allen hadn't had the horrible decisions against the Jets that lost us that game.

 

An upgrade, at a reasonable level of compensation, is never a bad thing. They don't need it, but it wouldn't hurt. It wouldn't hurt anywhere on the team, really, Most needed are probably OL and tackle in particular and replacing the older guys at safety as we move forward.

 

 

 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Ok improvement here. No separation but at least he’s catching the football when open.

 

 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[Thurman#1]

14 hours ago, BananaB said:

He’s getting over 90% of snaps and your content with a 2 and 1 catch games? Doesn’t matter what the 3,4 and 5 WRs are doing in limited time, it what’s gabe isn’t doing while getting a huge portion of the snaps.

 

 

It's not that he's content with a 2 and a 1 catch game. It's that everyone - except apparently you - understands that 2 and 1 catch games happen sometimes in the NFL, particularly for guys who aren't their team's number one option at WR.

 

JuJu Smith Schuster had three last year and he WAS their number one option in KC. Valdez-Scantling was their #2 in KC and last year he had 8 games with 2 receptions or less, and he has two so far this year, but less than half of Gabe's yards, and zero TDs to Gabe's two.

 

How come you're only talking about receptions and ignoring yards and TDs and ....

 

... Oh. That's why. Ignore the positive and stress the negative, hunh? Gotcha.

 

But even if you ignore it, Gabe is still kicking butt in TDs and doing very well in yards.

[BananaB]

12 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sorry, dude, but again, saying Davis is a #3 is just dumb. It says far more about you and your preconceptions than it does about Davis. #3s produce like #3s. That's how you know they're #3s. #2 like Davis produce like #2s. That's what he did last year and he's well on his way this year to significant improvement.

 

The Bills pass catchers look plenty good. They spent far more resources on TE this year than they did on WRs, and that shows but there's nothing wrong with it. It looks like it will give defenses plenty more good options to deal with.

 

They produced enough to win every game this year, and it would have amounted to more if Allen hadn't had the horrible decisions against the Jets that lost us that game.

 

An upgrade, at a reasonable level of compensation, is never a bad thing. They don't need it, but it wouldn't hurt. It wouldn't hurt anywhere on the team, really, Most needed are probably OL and tackle in particular and replacing the older guys at safety as we move forward.

 

 

 

Bills WRs room hasn’t really improved from last year, that’s why Davis is still the #2. Beane brought vets in that he hoped would suddenly become more then they are, just liked he has done with the OL for a number of years. An upgrade from Davis would make a huge difference in how teams game planning to play our offense. Gabes a one trick pony at this point. Every few games he’ll have a good outing but there just isn’t enough of those games out him. I think he is holding the O back myself. 

[PBF81]

9 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Have you seen this years draft class of receivers Xavier Worthy who is currently the 5th best receiver prospect would have been the top receiver taken in last Aprils draft 

 

Well, let's get one in here then.

 

I'm 6 years of Beane it hasn't happened yet 

 

 

[ProcessTruster]

This years draft is forecasted to be deep in WRs (also QB, T, etc); just a great draft class for offense in general.   

So I'm guessing with the cap the way it is they do a Tremaine on Davis and draft a WR.  

[PBF81]

5 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

So pro-football-reference has this handy feature.  If you check "toggle per game statistics", you can then sort it any way you like.

https://www.pro-football-reference.com/years/2023/receiving.htm

 

If we sort it on "receptions" with "per game" enabled, we can see that Davis is #89 amoung receivers.

Touchdowns, 26th, 1st downs 29th

 

He is still  near the top in yards per reception, top 10.  His catch % so far is better than last season, 60%.

 

I expect that if one sets the parameters just right, you can manage to discern an impact no other player is having, but the above might suggest that there are quite a few receivers having a good impact.

 

 

 

 

PFR has quite a few more statistical tools than that.  I've been using them since they came out years ago.  My go-to site for independent analysis.  Great site.  I have caught errors there however and let them know.  They're good at getting back too.  

 

So are you bullish on Davis then too?  

 

Everyone's hammering on him, then comes your post.  LOL 

 

 

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Harty and Sherfield certainly don't seem to be great pieces either. In short, the Bills WR core is not dynamic, explosive, or elite. Pretty disappointing thus far. 

 

I'm probably one of the few that's not surprised.

 

You know my takes in Sheffield on particular.  

 

 

5 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

I'd be surprised if Davis reaches those numbers. We will see 

 

I've seen enough to move on from Davis. The Bills need an upgrade for sure. The only way is advocate for keep Davis is on the cheap due WR3 pay. That's what he is. 

 

I won't be surprised at all, but who knows, anything could happen.  

 

Whatever he does or whether it's worthy of everyone's praise as a #2 aside, he serves a significant role at absolute minimum, and it makes an impact.  

 

People arguing against that are pissing into the wind.  

 

 

[Thurman#1]

8 minutes ago, BananaB said:

Bills WRs room hasn’t really improved from last year, that’s why Davis is still the #2. Beane brought vets in that he hoped would suddenly become more then they are, just liked he has done with the OL for a number of years. An upgrade from Davis would make a huge difference in how teams game planning to play our offense. Gabes a one trick pony at this point. Every few games he’ll have a good outing but there just isn’t enough of those games out him. I think he is holding the O back myself. 

 

 

Sorry, man, that's dopey on the face of it. 

 

He's got two TDs. How many teams have their #2 with more than 2 TDs? That would be zero.

 

He's got 159 yards. How many teams have their #2 with more than 159 yards? Eleven. That puts us above average for #2 WR yards. 

 

He's the #2 because he's producing like a #2. This really ain't rocket science.

 

An upgrade from Davis won't be that easy to find without paying a lot or using an early pick. Gabe is not a one-trick pony, he's a guy who is really good at the deeper routes and is absolutely excellent at scramble drill catches and solid at intermediate balls as well.

 

He's producing like a #2. Getting a better #2 would be a slight upgrade, not all that big of one.

 

As for the guys we brought in ... dude, it's been THREE GAMES!!!! Give it a bit of time. We might find them disappointing but it's way too early to say at this point.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Came into the season with 3 players in my doghouse. Ed Oliver, Gabe Davis, and Spencer Brown.

 

Ed Oliver is playing his tail off right now. Best I’ve seen him.

 

Spencer seems slightly improved, mostly because of a lot of scheming help. Run blocking looks good.

 

Gabriel Davis. Ugh. Same guy. He’s firmly in my sights. I need more from him. 

[Rocbillsfan1]

People need to calm down. He had 1 catch last game, and week before most of his catches came on extended plays. I’d like to get a wr who gets open and separation on time. Plus should start to think about diggs getting older and falling back into a 1b type of wr. 

Edited September 29, 2023 by Rocbillsfan1

[newcam2012]

16 minutes ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sorry, man, that's dopey on the face of it. 

 

He's got two TDs. How many teams have their #2 with more than 2 TDs? That would be zero.

 

He's got 159 yards. How many teams have their #2 with more than 159 yards? Eleven. That puts us above average for #2 WR yards. 

 

He's the #2 because he's producing like a #2. This really ain't rocket science.

 

An upgrade from Davis won't be that easy to find without paying a lot or using an early pick. Gabe is not a one-trick pony, he's a guy who is really good at the deeper routes and is absolutely excellent at scramble drill catches and solid at intermediate balls as well.

 

He's producing like a #2. Getting a better #2 would be a slight upgrade, not all that big of one.

 

As for the guys we brought in ... dude, it's been THREE GAMES!!!! Give it a bit of time. We might find them disappointing but it's way too early to say at this point.

This really only tells part of the picture. A half truth if you will. 

 

Gabe's numbers you refer to are a three game sample. Can't the same logic be used with regards to the others? You can't have your cake and eat it too. 

 

In this fans eyes Gabe is a mediocre WR2. He's cheap now and that's significant because Beane is up against a tight cap. He certainly isn't worthy of big money come next year. It would be a huge mistake if Beane allocates big money here.

 

Gabe is 100% replaceable. I disagree that a won't be easy to upgrade the position. I disagree that getting better WR2 would only be a slight upgrade.

 

Come playoff time Diggs will likely get taken right out of the game. That's largely because Gabe isn't a very good WR2. He has a limited route tree and can't sperate quickly. That's pretty much indisputable. The KC game was anomaly. The guy very rarely wins contested passes and has some issues with drops. Disappears in many games or is unproductive. In short, he's not consistent or reliable as a WR2. His best asset is breaking off routes and Allen finding him. 

 

I watch Addison and Flowers and say damn I wish they were in a Bills' uniform. Beane could have moved up to get one of them. Evans or DHop were possible alternatives as well. Next year, there will be more choices. The opportunity will be there to upgrade the position.

 

Lastly, I'd argue with strong validity that Allen makes Gabe successful. Not vice versa. Gabe would be an absolute fill in with a mediocre QB throwing him the ball. An upgrade to the WR2 position would be huge for the Bills offense. 

 

When you paint the whole picture one can only conclude that this will be Gabe's last year in a Bills uniform. 

 

[Ethan in Cleveland]

1 hour ago, ProcessTruster said:

This years draft is forecasted to be deep in WRs (also QB, T, etc); just a great draft class for offense in general.   

So I'm guessing with the cap the way it is they do a Tremaine on Davis and draft a WR.  

And let Dawkins walk. Draft WR and OT 

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Gabe is fine if we get a more consistently targeted #2 receiver. The long-term plan is for that player to be Dalton Kincaid. Would be great if Kincaid could become that heavily targeted receiver this year but he's going to have to eventually start running routes deeper than 3 yards down the field. 

 

So far this year, Gabe's target shar percentage is actually down 3% year over year. I think that is good. We want the offense to target Gabe at the right times. However, Diggs target share is up 2% year over year. Diggs is a great player but I'm not sure we need him getting nearly 1 out of every 3 targets. Ultimately what the offense needs is for the TE's to average more than 6.5 ypr. Both Knox and Kincaid have 12 targets each on the season which i think is good number to be at but 6.5 ypr is dreadful. Got to get that up at least into the 8.5 range. 

30 minutes ago, newcam2012 said:

I watch Addison and Flowers and say damn I wish they were in a Bills' uniform. Beane could have moved up to get one of them. Evans or DHop were possible alternatives as well. Next year, there will be more choices. The opportunity will be there to upgrade the position.

 

 

We could have. But the Bills have invested in Kincaid. He showed well in the preseason. So far in the regular season he has showed good hands. But they have him running 3-5 yard routes. 

[BananaB]

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

It's not that he's content with a 2 and a 1 catch game. It's that everyone - except apparently you - understands that 2 and 1 catch games happen sometimes in the NFL, particularly for guys who aren't their team's number one option at WR.

 

JuJu Smith Schuster had three last year and he WAS their number one option in KC. Valdez-Scantling was their #2 in KC and last year he had 8 games with 2 receptions or less, and he has two so far this year, but less than half of Gabe's yards, and zero TDs to Gabe's two.

 

How come you're only talking about receptions and ignoring yards and TDs and ....

 

... Oh. That's why. Ignore the positive and stress the negative, hunh? Gotcha.

 

But even if you ignore it, Gabe is still kicking butt in TDs and doing very well in yards.

And Juju ain’t on the Chiefs anymore is he. Gabe scores touchdowns but also stalls drives that ultimately lead to less points. 

2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Sorry, man, that's dopey on the face of it. 

 

He's got two TDs. How many teams have their #2 with more than 2 TDs? That would be zero.

 

He's got 159 yards. How many teams have their #2 with more than 159 yards? Eleven. That puts us above average for #2 WR yards. 

 

He's the #2 because he's producing like a #2. This really ain't rocket science.

 

An upgrade from Davis won't be that easy to find without paying a lot or using an early pick. Gabe is not a one-trick pony, he's a guy who is really good at the deeper routes and is absolutely excellent at scramble drill catches and solid at intermediate balls as well.

 

He's producing like a #2. Getting a better #2 would be a slight upgrade, not all that big of one.

 

As for the guys we brought in ... dude, it's been THREE GAMES!!!! Give it a bit of time. We might find them disappointing but it's way too early to say at this point.

It hasn’t just been 3 games, the problem has carried over from last year. 
 

Edited September 29, 2023 by BananaB

[Wayne Arnold]

2 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Ok improvement here. No separation but at least he’s catching the football when open.

 

His drop stopped a drive in its tracks (when it was still a game) and led to Josh's only interception.

 

Stop treating this guy with kid's gloves.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

45 minutes ago, Wayne Arnold said:

 

His drop stopped a drive in its tracks (when it was still a game) and led to Josh's only interception.

 

Stop treating this guy with kid's gloves.

He’s had a drop. His catch % is up. So he is catching better. But still no separation. I don’t think he’s particularly a good WR anymore. I think he benefits from opportunity with a great QB.

[DapperCam]

Bills have a top-3 QB in the league, and should have a top-5 offense in the league (they have the past 3 years). It isn’t really fair to compare Davis to WR #2 on other teams. His stats should be better based on the offense that he’s in. Other WRs have Sam Howell and Zach Wilson throwing to them.

 

The only question you should ask, is if another WR were given the same reps in the Bills offense at Davis’ spot, would they perform better.

 

I think a lot of WRs would perform better, and it’s an obvious opportunity to upgrade.

[BillsVet]

10 hours ago, AuntieEm said:

If he stays healthy and has a great season then he earned the right to decide what's most important for him and his career.  If the Bills can't work a deal he will  accept then I wish him well and see who we sign or draft.  We have  QB capable of making talented players shine so there be options to replace him.  

 

There's this weird fixation on TBD and elsewhere that if Buffalo drafts a player and they're not completely a bust then they need to be re-signed.  It's a risk-averse mindset where the Bills can't possibly acquire a better player and need to retain the old one.  It happened with Edmunds and is happening now with Davis

 

It's also because McBeane have re-signed all the guys who haven't completely stunk or played a position of lower value since 2017: Tre, Dawkins, Milano, Josh, Taron Johnson, Oliver, and Knox.  People have gotten used to this approach and now assume it's the only one.  Well, no...it's part of what has them in cap trouble.  Because you can say it's nice to have a guy like Knox, but at 13M AAV?  Or, Dawkins at almost 15M AAV?   I get loyalty, but too much makes players comfortable.    

 

If Buffalo's gonna stay competitive, they're going to need to move on from some vets who aren't busts, but represent an opportunity for improvement.  At one time, Belichick used to trade guys like Richard Seymour, a HOF'er, to Oakland when they had mileage left.  Few saw that coming, but it was what was best for the team.  Beane needs to replace some of these home-grown types that can be improved on with 1st contract players who aren't impacting their cap.  Because no way is Davis worth an extension given the production.   

[Dopey]

16 hours ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

@Alphadawg7 has potential because he is thinking it thru and trying to figure it out.    He shouldn't have believed for a second of this offseason that Gabe was anything more than what he's proven to be in his first 3 years because his deficiencies are not necessarily fixable.   Sometimes there just isn't enough talent.  But better to come to that realization late than never.   You on the other hand........you are just good with being wrong and defiant about it,  from what I've seen.

I'm sure @Alphadawg7 feels so much better knowing you think he has potential (whatever the hell that means 🤣). As for me, I have my opinions like you. We disagree on a lot and IMO, you're wrong as much, if not more than I am. Thanks for reading my input though.