Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 23 minutes ago, Beck Water said: (Aaron Schatz of Football Outsiders) Some of us keep our receipts. This is what Schatz had to say about Allen after the draft: "A parody of an NFL quarterback prospect, Allen was abysmal in 2017 en route to not even making an all-Mountain West team. We don't want to say there's absolutely no chance he'll ever be good – he's got a deep ball, he's got some ability to make plays on the run and under pressure – but there is zero empirical evidence to support him becoming a reasonable NFL starting quarterback. And if you thought the excuses for his supporting cast were bad in Wyoming, wait till you see this Bills offense. ... Allen is the battleground that old scouts are going to die on, whether they're right about it or, as all evidence suggests, wrong about it." Plus of course the comment "I would rather have Tyrod Taylor quarterbacking my team over the next four years than Josh Allen." I gained some respect for Sal Capaccio after one twitter exchange where Schatz tried to white-wash his post-draft take as saying "I said he had a chance to be good" and Sal said "you called him a parody of an NFL quarterback prospect and said there was zero evidence to support him becoming a reasonable starting quarterback" As for the old scouts, I would say they're not dead yet, so don't sleep on them. I don't think any of Schatz pre-draft takes are really wrong. Allen is just THAT unique and special as a QB. I really can't think of a comparable QB. Maybe 30 years ago with Favre out of Southern Mississippi? But Favre was 2nd round pick compared to Allen being top 10. The most recent comps before Allen were guys like Paxton Lynch and Jake Locker. Now we will see how guys like Richardson and Will Levis translate to the next level. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 12 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said: Aaron is a surprisingly accurate guy when it comes to such things. Considering all the bashing the National Media has done to the Bills about their window closed it’s nice to get at least a little good news. Ahhh, this is opinion, not news. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 7 minutes ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I don't think any of Schatz pre-draft takes are really wrong. Allen is just THAT unique and special as a QB. I really can't think of a comparable QB. Maybe 30 years ago with Favre out of Southern Mississippi? But Favre was 2nd round pick compared to Allen being top 10. The most recent comps before Allen were guys like Paxton Lynch and Jake Locker. Now we will see how guys like Richardson and Will Levis translate to the next level. Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but when you call a guy "a parody of an NFL quarterback prospect" and use the words "zero" and "all", any evidence at all that the guy isn't a "parody" and any single piece of evidence supporting that he has a chance, make you wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Hindsight Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 11 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: 49ers have one of the worst QB situations in the NFL. Bills Dallas version 3.0 is my prediction Kyle Shannahan could probably install the best HS QB in SF in his offense and win. That dude is an incredible coach. Bills hired Rex Ryan instead of him 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
78thealltimegreat Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 50 minutes ago, bigK14094 said: Ahhh, this is opinion, not news. Well it shows that some people who follow the NFL still hold the Bills in high regard despite what the rest of the sports news says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sammy Watkins' Rib Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 hour ago, Beck Water said: Well, you're entitled to your opinion, but when you call a guy "a parody of an NFL quarterback prospect" and use the words "zero" and "all", any evidence at all that the guy isn't a "parody" and any single piece of evidence supporting that he has a chance, make you wrong. always take the words zero and all with a grain of salt. There are always exceptions to every rule. We know that. Schatz uses those words to drive home, his larger point or big picture view on Allen before the draft. And it’s that larger point and the big picture view that I agree with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Bills vs Browns in the afc title fame, Vikings vs Lions in the nfc title game, the earth explodes the next day. 1 hour ago, Sammy Watkins' Rib said: I don't think any of Schatz pre-draft takes are really wrong. Allen is just THAT unique and special as a QB. I really can't think of a comparable QB. Maybe 30 years ago with Favre out of Southern Mississippi? But Favre was 2nd round pick compared to Allen being top 10. The most recent comps before Allen were guys like Paxton Lynch and Jake Locker. Now we will see how guys like Richardson and Will Levis translate to the next level. Yup. Guess what? The next next sub 60% passer who didn’t 1st or 2nd team Mountain West conference will be doubted just as much as Allen. the bills did a great job at developing a truly special unicorn. Both the team and Allen deserve all the credit but Allen is the exception rather than the norm. 2 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 14 hours ago, PauleeeWalnuts said: I really want people to stop picking the Bills entirely. They tend to not live up to others expectations of them, so I’d rather them stay a bit under the radar since being pressured makes them fold under it. That is ridiculous. Next you will tell us how you don't step on sidewalk cracks and avoid black cats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 (edited) 13 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Bills - Lions Its the only way this ends. wait, what about Bills vs Vikings? (0-4 vs 0-4 in Super Bowls) 😀 ... looks like @Limeaid already got that Edited August 8, 2023 by 34-78-83 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ya Digg? Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 13 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said: 49ers have one of the worst QB situations in the NFL. Bills Dallas version 3.0 is my prediction Does that mean Dak would be #3 on the top 100 list next year?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Sorry guys, I don't want to hear one word about a Supetbowl I will kill you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 What? Schatz has us in the Super Bowl? Obviously this is quality analysis from a quality analyst. Now, had he had us 9th in the AFC, I think I would have had to have changed my opinion of him.... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KingBoots8 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 15 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Bills - Lions Its the only way this ends. Think it would have to be Bills - Vikings. Someone finally gets theirs, the other goes 0-5. Ultimate victory, ultimate defeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 2 hours ago, 34-78-83 said: wait, what about Bills vs Vikings? (0-4 vs 0-4 in Super Bowls) 😀 ... looks like @Limeaid already got that Ralph was from Detroit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
34-78-83 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: Ralph was from Detroit. Yes, he was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Don’t trust Goff at this stage to go win a poor weather cold game / or make enough off script plays in crunch time. lions would need home field advantage Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCockSportif Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Maybe it was already said (busy day for me today), but I just Schatz my pantz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigDingus Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 Ah, so this fabled matchup again... At this point, I don't think the Bills will ever meet the Niners in the Super Bowl. Fate has determined it will never allow it to happen 😅 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 20 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Bills - Lions Its the only way this ends. Per Alvin Mack they fought in the Punic Wars Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DaBillsFanSince1973 Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 20 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Bills - Lions Its the only way this ends. that. would be very cool, indeed. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
North Buffalo Posted August 8, 2023 Share Posted August 8, 2023 My two favorite teams... born in San Fran, raised in Buffalo. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 22 hours ago, Big Blitz said: Bills - Lions Its the only way this ends. If this does trsnspire than I'd be inclined to think Ralph helped it happen from his current seats. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PonyBoy Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 46 minutes ago, North Buffalo said: My two favorite teams... born in San Fran, raised in Buffalo. From NoCal to Beer & Ale 🍻 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
machine gun kelly Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 8/7/2023 at 7:27 PM, Utah John said: https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/analyst-who-correctly-predicted-unlikely-eagles-super-bowl-surge-has-a-new-pick-for-2023-super-bowl-and-it-s-not-patrick-mahomes/ar-AA1eUSR1?ocid=msedgntp&pc=W099&cvid=d31349fd942341819d7972859304886b&ei=11 Both teams are very logical picks. (And yes, he calls it the Chris Berman Special. Berman picked those two teams year after year a generation ago.) As the great swami once said… WHOOP, THE BILLS COULD GO ALLLLL THE WAYYY! PRIMETIME! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 Chris Berman special!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AuntieEm Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 3 hours ago, North Buffalo said: My two favorite teams... born in San Fran, raised in Buffalo. Also wasn't 49ers the team Josh rooted for being it was just down the road from his hometown? So likely he dreamed to qb the 49ers so he gets to play and beat the team he followed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 NFC looks soft early on. Outside of Philly and SF, who could it really be? AFC has at least 5 legit contenders. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 8/8/2023 at 3:18 AM, Big Blitz said: Bills - Lions Its the only way this ends. Didn’t Detroit and Buffalo fight in the Punic wars? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
T master Posted August 9, 2023 Share Posted August 9, 2023 On 8/7/2023 at 6:28 PM, KingBoots8 said: BERMAN BOWL!!!! Boomer Bowl - where the Shatz will hit the fan ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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