Diggs NOT at mandatory minicamp, McDermott "very concerned" DAY 2 UPDATE: He's back

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I suspect that was probably brief and in passing, not 16 hours in a room hashing things out 

Yeah pretty sure they were doing other things besides playing therapist all day.

[NoSaint]

8 minutes ago, extrahammer said:

I think this is all: the Bills gave Diggs a lot of space, now he's back and they're just hashing out frustrations he has, which I believe are rightfully so. I'm curious how the next 24 hours go. And I remind myself make up sex is the best sex. 🏆🏆🏆

 

If Diggs wanted out, he wouldn't have waited this long and he wouldn't have made himself present in the building. To me, the fact he did make himself shows they just need to simply address some things and get on the same page, which they appear to be working on. I'm fine with giving him some of that autonomy, I really am, because I do believe he's the best WR in the league. Last year I kept repeating that and everyone kept coming after me with replies about Cooper Kupp even though Kupp was putting up less than Gabe Davis numbers. I have Bickering Bills vibes with this and let's all look forward to the makeup sex. 😇 Have a beer, smoke some lettuce, and enjoy the weather. The Bills still won 13 games last year with all the bs. 

he literally can’t get out so the “if he wanted out” speculation from some is totally misreading the chess board.

[Blainorama5]

2 minutes ago, TAinLA said:

I got nothing, just wanted in this 81 page thread!

Welcome to the latest theories.....

[StHustle]

10 minutes ago, BrainwashedBillsFan said:

Isn’t the rumor that the night before the Bengals playoff game last year, Josh’s gf found out that Josh got some bartender pregnant and they had a huge fight and he got no sleep thats why he played bad. I’m guessing Diggs knew all about this and blames Josh for screwing up another year from getting to the big dance. Not that it was Josh’s fault the year prior obviously. Diggs is extremely competitive and knows his opportunities are dwindling as he gets up there in age. 

 

How does boycotting camp help tho? Does this improve our chances? He's already made his point before this with how he acted in the last game and all offseason. Now it's time to put in the work!

 

Only thing I can think of is that his talks with Beane and the coaches didn't go well and they didn't agree to a different approach. I think in this type of situation they should agree to do things a little different and at least meet him in the middle. He kinda has us by the balls and we can't play tough guy and act like he doesn't have as much power as the coaches in the grand scheme of things.

[Neo]

Recognizing there is no prophylactic for internet nincompoopery and the ubiquitous “so, you’re saying” something I’m clearly not, I’ll wade in.

 

I work for a firm.  In the NFL world, my job would be half GM, half head coach.  I assemble talent, devise strategy and coach execution.  Five roles report to me in multiple locations.  I have CPAs, CFPs, Attorneys and other licensed specialists.  We build teams around specific client circumstances.  I have egos and personalities on the team and we work in a very competitive, pressure packed, environment.   We’re not professional athletes.  Good for me.

 

Life’s taught me several lessons.

 

Stefon Diggs is a great talent.  He’s also a cancer.

 

Thirty year olds don’t change or grow up.  He’s a great singular talent in an industry that relies on teamwork.  He either doesn’t understand, or care, about the implications for others.  He’s calling someone a liar, publicly, in his smug, attention seeking, inter-webs game.

 

We went all in on a contract structure with an unreliable human being.  Sports contracts are risky.

 

He needs to go.

 

The cost of keeping him exceeds the cost of losing him.  I’ve  watched people try to manage cancers.  I’ve tried to manage cancers.  It doesn’t end well with any predictability.

 

 

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

plot hole: the internet knew that rumor in November, so I doubt “she found out” I’m January 

Yeah that whole story kinda stinks. What was the other theory? She was just ready to get married and he wasn’t? That seems way more plausible.

[NoSaint]

Just now, StHustle said:

 

How does boycotting camp help tho? Does this improve our chances? He's already made his point before this with how he acted in the last game and all offseason. Now it's time to put in the work!

 

Only thing I can think of is that his talks with Beane and the coaches didn't go well and they didn't agree to a different approach. I think in this type of situation they should agree to do things a little different and at least meet him in the middle. He kinda has us by the balls and we can't play tough guy and act like he doesn't have as much power as the coaches in the grand scheme of things.

unless he’s retiring or sitting out games and ruining his own legacy, he has very little leverage 

[MJS]

Just now, Neo said:

Recognizing there is no prophylactic for internet nincompoopery and the ubiquitous “so, you’re saying” something I’m clearly not, I’ll wade in.

 

I work for a firm.  In the NFL world, my job would be half GM, half head coach.  I assemble talent, devise strategy and coach execution.  Five roles report to me in multiple locations.  I have CPAs, CFPs, Attorneys and other licensed specialists.  We build teams around specific client circumstances.  I have egos and personalities on the team and we work in a very competitive, pressure packed, environment.   We’re not professional athletes.  Good for me.

 

Life’s taught me several lessons.

 

Stefon Diggs is a great talent.  He’s also a cancer.

 

Thirty year olds don’t change or grow up.  He’s a great singular talent in an industry that relies on teamwork.  He either doesn’t understand, or care, about the implications for others.  He’s calling someone a liar, publicly, in his smug, attention seeking, inter-webs game.

 

We went all in on a contract structure with an unreliable human being.  Sports contracts are risky.

 

He needs to go.

 

The cost of keeping him exceeds the cost of losing him.  I’ve  watched people try to manage cancers.  I’ve tried to manage cancers.  It doesn’t end well with any predictability.

But do you attend high level business meetings?

[Zag20]

Can any mods check some next gen stats on this thread to see if it has the highest posts per hour in board history?

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, MikePJ76 said:

y0u are seri0usly disc0unting the situati0n the giants had at wr and tight end last year...

 

it was a c0mplete disaster and they c0ntinued t win and j0nes played really well.

 

 

 

 

The Giants weren't a good team last year.    They made the playoffs with a negative point differential in a weak conference.    Their QB threw a pathetic 15 TD's.

 

The "Daboll is great, we blew it letting him leave!" faction is a real grass-is-greener group of screwballs.  

 

 

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, Neo said:

Recognizing there is no prophylactic for internet nincompoopery and the ubiquitous “so, you’re saying” something I’m clearly not, I’ll wade in.

 

I work for a firm.  In the NFL world, my job would be half GM, half head coach.  I assemble talent, devise strategy and coach execution.  Five roles report to me in multiple locations.  I have CPAs, CFPs, Attorneys and other licensed specialists.  We build teams around specific client circumstances.  I have egos and personalities on the team and we work in a very competitive, pressure packed, environment.   We’re not professional athletes.  Good for me.

 

Life’s taught me several lessons.

 

Stefon Diggs is a great talent.  He’s also a cancer.

 

Thirty year olds don’t change or grow up.  He’s a great singular talent in an industry that relies on teamwork.  He either doesn’t understand, or care, about the implications for others.  He’s calling someone a liar, publicly, in his smug, attention seeking, inter-webs game.

 

We went all in on a contract structure with an unreliable human being.  Sports contracts are risky.

 

He needs to go.

 

The cost of keeping him exceeds the cost of losing him.  I’ve  watched people try to manage cancers.  I’ve tried to manage cancers.  It doesn’t end well with any predictability.

 

 

actually it would cost quite a bit to lose him now. Literally. 

[thenorthremembers]

Fantastic player but I never want to hear the guy called a leader again.  In times of trouble or failure, leaders dont look around and try to find people to blame, they look directly in the mirror and ask themselves what could I have done better.  And Stef hasnt been great in those losses.

 

As for the playoff performances.  Its not always the QB.  Its not always the OC.   In the three playoff losses he's had in Buffalo he has been targeted 27 times for 13 receptions for 119 yards and 0 touchdowns, with a 48% catch percentage.    

 

 

[NoSaint]

1 minute ago, JoPoy88 said:

Yeah that whole story kinda stinks. What was the other theory? She was just ready to get married and he wasn’t? That seems way more plausible.

All I know is it was used multiple times last season, and even if true that it happened, she didn’t find out 4 times. And it wasn’t news to us in April when it landed a bit harder without the other distractions 

[SectionC3]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

Yeah I felt strongly at the time that something was up with Allen that was leaving him distracted and unfocused.   I thoroughly remember being in that state in my early 20's and what it was about.   I really didn't see that coming with Allen.   She wouldn't have been my cup of tea in his situation but he sure seemed pretty settled in with his GF.    

 

If the rumors are even remotely true what was going on was even worse than I thought.    With all the life and death sh!t that happened in December and January it kinda' got lost in the shuffle.    

 

It very well could have something to do with this Diggs situation.   Diggs has a baby mama and unabashedly juggles multiple women at the same time and still is the same guy on the field every week.  So maybe he has lost some respect for JA considering how compromised Allen was over some female related drama.   I can see Diggs brooding over this with the like minds he probably surrounds himself with all offseason and just getting angrier over how badly Allen handled himself and questioning whether he deserves the say in the organization that he has while Diggs opinion isn't taken into account much as a WR.   That macho BS would track with Allen's language about the situation and McDermott's frustration about having to listen to Diggs telling him his rationale at length and not having some sort of resolution still. 

I can't speak to your piece of the story and whether what the unstated but fairly apparent details are true, but there is another part of what I'll call the global tale of woe that I have on good authority to be true.  None of the salacious stuff matters, except insofar as it could explain Diggs's sideline frustration with Allen during the Bengals playoff game and part of what seems to be the fizzure in their relationship.  

[John from Riverside]

5 minutes ago, Neo said:

Recognizing there is no prophylactic for internet nincompoopery and the ubiquitous “so, you’re saying” something I’m clearly not, I’ll wade in.

 

I work for a firm.  In the NFL world, my job would be half GM, half head coach.  I assemble talent, devise strategy and coach execution.  Five roles report to me in multiple locations.  I have CPAs, CFPs, Attorneys and other licensed specialists.  We build teams around specific client circumstances.  I have egos and personalities on the team and we work in a very competitive, pressure packed, environment.   We’re not professional athletes.  Good for me.

 

Life’s taught me several lessons.

 

Stefon Diggs is a great talent.  He’s also a cancer.

 

Thirty year olds don’t change or grow up.  He’s a great singular talent in an industry that relies on teamwork.  He either doesn’t understand, or care, about the implications for others.  He’s calling someone a liar, publicly, in his smug, attention seeking, inter-webs game.

 

We went all in on a contract structure with an unreliable human being.  Sports contracts are risky.

 

He needs to go.

 

The cost of keeping him exceeds the cost of losing him.  I’ve  watched people try to manage cancers.  I’ve tried to manage cancers.  It doesn’t end well with any predictability.

 

 

Not according to the salary cap, it doesn’t

[BillsFanForever19]

If 24/7 Sports and Social Media were a thing back in "The Bickering Bills" days - this would look like nothing in comparison.

[Not at the table Karlos]

5 minutes ago, Neo said:

Recognizing there is no prophylactic for internet nincompoopery and the ubiquitous “so, you’re saying” something I’m clearly not, I’ll wade in.

 

I work for a firm.  In the NFL world, my job would be half GM, half head coach.  I assemble talent, devise strategy and coach execution.  Five roles report to me in multiple locations.  I have CPAs, CFPs, Attorneys and other licensed specialists.  We build teams around specific client circumstances.  I have egos and personalities on the team and we work in a very competitive, pressure packed, environment.   We’re not professional athletes.  Good for me.

 

Life’s taught me several lessons.

 

Stefon Diggs is a great talent.  He’s also a cancer.

 

Thirty year olds don’t change or grow up.  He’s a great singular talent in an industry that relies on teamwork.  He either doesn’t understand, or care, about the implications for others.  He’s calling someone a liar, publicly, in his smug, attention seeking, inter-webs game.

 

We went all in on a contract structure with an unreliable human being.  Sports contracts are risky.

 

He needs to go.

 

The cost of keeping him exceeds the cost of losing him.  I’ve  watched people try to manage cancers.  I’ve tried to manage cancers.  It doesn’t end well with any predictability.

 

 

The cost to lose him is like 40 something million dollar cap hit.  It's cheaper to keep him. Who would you like to cut to get back under the cap if we get rid of him? 

[SectionC3]

12 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

plot hole: the internet knew that rumor in November, so I doubt “she found out” I’m January 

Finding out and expressing anger are different things.  

[The Wiz]

22 minutes ago, JoPoy88 said:

Let’s pump the breaks. He’s not Antonio Brown.

His social media is though.

 

 

Edited June 14, 2023 by The Wiz

[astb41]

I’m trying catch up but there’s a lot of pages.

 

has anything changed or new happened since he was in buff the day before and/or morning of and then didn’t show up to practice?

 

just trying to find the news posts but there’s so much opinion posting haha

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

80+ pages and nobody knows for sure what this is even about. 

 

[astb41]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

80+ pages and nobody knows for sure what this is even about. 

 

Thank you! Trying to find updates and nothing haha

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, The Wiz said:

His social media is though.

Yeah unfortunately. A lot of it is just reposts of older quotes by other people, but I do wish he’d cool that down a bit. 
 

But call me when he’s accused of beating women, accosting movers, or stripping in odd places and times.

[chongli]

1 hour ago, HappyDays said:

My source tells me Diggs will be at minicamp and practicing tomorrow.

 

Who are your sources? Are they reliable?

[Malazan]

1 minute ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

80+ pages and nobody knows for sure what this is even about. 

 

It's about the New World Order and it's war on the National Thumbtacks day holiday. 

[Aussie Joe]

2 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

80+ pages and nobody knows for sure what this is even about. 

 

Better 300 pages speculating on D hop?

 

Nah.

[The Wiz]

Just now, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said:

80+ pages and nobody knows for sure what this is even about. 

 

I'm still confident that it's because he gave Diggs a 97 madden rating.

 

 

[Einstein]

12 minutes ago, Neo said:

I work for a firm.  In the NFL world, my job would be half GM, half head coach.  I assemble talent, devise strategy and coach execution.  Five roles report to me in multiple locations.  I have CPAs, CFPs, Attorneys and other licensed specialists.  We build teams around specific client circumstances.  I have egos and personalities on the team and we work in a very competitive, pressure packed, environment.   We’re not professional athletes.  Good for me.

 

Are you me? 

We could certainly share some stories from similar roles in business. 

 

12 minutes ago, Neo said:

Thirty year olds don’t change or grow up.  He’s a great singular talent in an industry that relies on teamwork.  He either doesn’t understand, or care, about the implications for others.  He’s calling someone a liar, publicly, in his smug, attention seeking, inter-webs game.

 

 

 

Preach.

 

People can change, but they often don’t.

As a loved one used to say: “When someone shows you who they are, BELIEVE THEM.”

[JoPoy88]

1 minute ago, chongli said:

 

Who are your sources? Are they reliable?

Happy’s source has been very reliable in the past yes.

[ngbills]

Diggs wanted some changes. Bring in DHop or something to help this offense win in the playoffs. Diggs probably did not like what the team has done this offseason. Leads to some frustration. He shows up this week at the facility. Sees minimal changes to the playbook or approach. Sees Dorsey still here and Hall gone. Frustration comes out. Talks to McBeane and gets the we are on the right track talk. Diggs may feel this O is going backwards and worse than it was 2 years ago not better. Not feeling they Ra Ra everything is great narrative and heads home. 

[MikePJ76]

10 minutes ago, BADOLBILZ said:

 

 

The Giants weren't a good team last year.    They made the playoffs with a negative point differential in a weak conference.    Their QB threw a pathetic 15 TD's.

 

The "Daboll is great, we blew it letting him leave!" faction is a real grass-is-greener group of screwballs.  

 

 

again, g0 lk at wh0 was playing wr and te f0r them.

 

injuries killed their skilled p0siti0ns.  They w0n a r0ad play0ff game in a difficult place t0 play.  

 

they were abs0lutely a g00d team t0 acc0mplish what they did.

[HurlyBurly51]

16 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

I suspect that was probably brief and in passing, not 16 hours in a room hashing things out 

Quite the assumption.  More likely something in between.  Doubt they’d use the term meeting over 2 days for a hallway conversation.

[JoPoy88]

2 minutes ago, Aussie Joe said:

Better 300 pages speculating on D hop?

 

Nah.

across 2 different threads! Also when no one actually knew anything.

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

Finding out and expressing anger are different things.  

and you would be the first person to tell the story in that format. It’s always “found out” man. Kills the credibility when they can’t figure out what it is, but swear they know it happened 

[Aussie Joe]

Just now, JoPoy88 said:

across 2 different threads! Also when no one actually knew anything.

No one here ever knows anything !

 

 

[MikePJ76]

Just now, ngbills said:

Diggs wanted some changes. Bring in DHop or something to help this offense win in the playoffs. Diggs probably did not like what the team has done this offseason. Leads to some frustration. He shows up this week at the facility. Sees minimal changes to the playbook or approach. Sees Dorsey still here and Hall gone. Frustration comes out. Talks to McBeane and gets the we are on the right track talk. Diggs may feel this O is going backwards and worse than it was 2 years ago not better. Not feeling they Ra Ra everything is great narrative and heads home. 

impr0ved 0ffensive line, running backs and drafted a weap0n at tight end.

 

if he is mad ab0ut that he is 100% ab0ut himself and n0t the team.

 

 

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

5 minutes ago, astb41 said:

Thank you! Trying to find updates and nothing haha

 

Nothing has come out yet, it's 100% speculation by analysts, fans at this point still and we'll probably never find out.

[The Wiz]

6 minutes ago, ngbills said:

Diggs wanted some changes. Bring in DHop or something to help this offense win in the playoffs. Diggs probably did not like what the team has done this offseason. Leads to some frustration. He shows up this week at the facility. Sees minimal changes to the playbook or approach. Sees Dorsey still here and Hall gone. Frustration comes out. Talks to McBeane and gets the we are on the right track talk. Diggs may feel this O is going backwards and worse than it was 2 years ago not better. Not feeling they Ra Ra everything is great narrative and heads home. 

I know these guys get away during the off season but it's not like they live on different planets with no communication to the rest of the world.

 

He knew about all of these things a while ago.

 

If anything, they brought in players that will be more useful on offense than McKenzie, Beasley and brown and he doesn't like it.

Edited June 14, 2023 by The Wiz

[ngbills]

3 minutes ago, MikePJ76 said:

impr0ved 0ffensive line, running backs and drafted a weap0n at tight end.

 

if he is mad ab0ut that he is 100% ab0ut himself and n0t the team.

 

 

Will not change anything about about how teams defend them. The drop off is from Diggs is huge. 

[Big Blitz]

Just waiting for Bills Twitter to tweet “Only love 14.”