BBFL Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, PBF81 said: 8 Playoff Games 2 Sacks, 4 TFLs, 5 QB Hits Of those, 1 Sack, 1 TFL, and 3 QB Hits were against Skylar Thompson In the other 7 playoff games he's given us 1 Sack, 3 TFLs, and 2 QB Hits. Which is poor no matter how it's addressed. Our problem is the Playoffs, not the regular season. I'm pretty sure that they had most of this worked out prior to the end of the week. Wouldn't you say? Hence my point about the biggest moments. He’s a good player, not knocking or throwing shade his way. But from financial and draft capital stand points, he’s not meeting expectations. At least to me. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, julian said: You’ve made a sound argument, I’m going to hope Oliver plays a big part of a championship run and the front office can choose to part ways after year 3 of the contract if they’re so inclined. You've seen his Playoff stats that I've posted a couple of times now, I think a few posts above too. They're far from impressive. But thanks, and yeah, we'll see. Hopefully we're all talking about what a great deal we got come January. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CoudyBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Feels like this era of the Bills is going to be the team that almost got there. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. WEO Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 13 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: When was it reported that we didn't offer him anything and he was cool with signing here at whatever price we'd pay and didn't want to test FA? Just because we didn't sign him to an extension the year before doesn't mean one was never offered and he was never in the plans. Beane talked all offseason about how much he would have loved to have him back but just couldn't afford to compete with that offer. what offer was Beane competing with last year? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, BBFL said: Hence my point about the biggest moments. He’s a good player, not knocking or throwing shade his way. But from financial and draft capital stand points, he’s not meeting expectations. At least to me. Agree, and that's why IMO the move reeks of desperation. We obviously couldn't afford to pay every player that plays at that level comparably at his position. 5 minutes ago, CoudyBills said: Feels like this era of the Bills is going to be the team that almost got there. This season is going to be incredibly revealing of many things. First time that McD will be facing a non-easy schedule and a Division in which any of three teams can legitimately win it, and with NE refusing to go away. I have a hunch that if we either don't advance to the AFC CG or if we blow it via coaching again, that there's going to be a significant cascade of criticism to come. Edited June 4, 2023 by PBF81 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GoBills808 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 9 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I don't love or hate Ed Oliver, I think people want him to be Chris Jones but if that were the case we probably couldn't come close to affording him. He's signed right now as the 12th highest paid DT in the league and as many of these analysts are saying they think he took a home town discount because they're saying he could have had a big pay day had he waited it out but he loves it here. Also those saying he will be making 17M a season, I'm sure it will be spread out for 5 seasons so more like 13.5M or something to that effect? If you don't like the guy I get it but the contract is not bad at all for a disrupting DT again imo. I think that's the point tho isn't it If you want to pay the Chris Joneses sometimes you have to not pay the Ed Olivers and Dawson Knoxes Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, BBFL said: For drafted position and contract there absolutely should be an expectation for him to be changing game’s regularly. No one is asking for ludicrous stat lines just consistency. 6-8 sacks a year would be great. He isn't even paid in the top half of #1 DTs in the league but feel his contract means he should be "changing games regularly" ?? By next offseason his contract won't be in the top 20. Let Beane cook. 25 minutes ago, BuffaloBillsGospel2014 said: I don't love or hate Ed Oliver, I think people want him to be Chris Jones but if that were the case we probably couldn't come close to affording him. He's signed right now as the 12th highest paid DT in the league and as many of these analysts are saying they think he took a home town discount because they're saying he could have had a big pay day had he waited it out but he loves it here. Also those saying he will be making 17M a season, I'm sure it will be spread out for 5 seasons so more like 13.5M or something to that effect? If you don't like the guy I get it but the contract is not bad at all for a disrupting DT again imo. All your numbers are off 24 minutes ago, PBF81 said: You've seen his Playoff stats that I've posted a couple of times now, I think a few posts above too. They're far from impressive. But thanks, and yeah, we'll see. Hopefully we're all talking about what a great deal we got come January. You stay whores are hilarious. It's more to his job that won't show up on a stat sheet. Edited June 4, 2023 by StHustle 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Governor Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 More proof that they hated Edmunds, just like most of us did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McBean Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: I am genuinely shocked by this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 25 minutes ago, PBF81 said: Then factor in what Coach Washington said about him this week. Some of the things that we do are mindboggling. If we paid everyone at his level that money comparatively ... He also only plays 60% of the snaps on D, pretty regularly, and as a high this past season. I expect more from someone getting $45M guaranteed. That's gonna hamstring Beane or the new GM significantly if it doesn't work out. His biggest knock is his lack of size. Did this extension make him bigger or faster. Coach Washington didn't even say anything negative about him. He answered a question about what Oliver needs to do to take the next step. Everyone interpreted that to mean he dislikes him as a player. He never said anything of the sort. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Interesting. I predicted Gabe Davis. But I knew one of Oliver or Davis would be signed. I now wonder if they don’t do both. My position on Oliver was trade him or sign him. I’m guessing they get some cap relief now. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Interesting. I predicted Gabe Davis. But I knew one of Oliver or Davis would be signed. I now wonder if they don’t do both. My position on Oliver was trade him or sign him. I’m guessing they get some cap relief now. Signing Davis early provides no cap relief… he is on chump change this year,, May as well ride it out and see how he plays looking for a new deal.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 hours ago, Motorin' said: Yeah... But might it be 68 across 5 season, making it 13.5 per? How do you figure? 4 year extension at 17 per. He is already making 10 something for this year and if Bills were changing THIS season's salary I would expect them to try to lower it to help sign a free agent Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Oliver does need to play better, though. I think we can all agree on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 hours ago, HappyDays said: I am genuinely shocked by this. What a joke. Should’ve spent that money on Edmunds ! 😡 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, MJS said: Oliver does need to play better, though. I think we can all agree on that. Just curious...do you judge players the same when they play healthy as when they play through injuries that limits them 🤔 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What a joke. Should’ve spent that money on Edmunds ! 😡 They had to sign him or trade him. I feel better about Oliver now than before. You can’t have a guy eating $10 million that you don’t want to sign. They did that with Edmunds last year. Big mistake. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 hours ago, Virgil said: I get that. But if we are going to pay a guy 15 mil plus, then he should be the dominant force and make life easier for everyone else. I’m not coming at you, just the whole idea of paying him when he needs others to help him be great, but got that contract, bothers me a little. I get it. I'm surprised as well. I just trust Beane n Co and imo , it's clear McDermott feels he can get the best out of Ed based on the contract. My only logical explanation is that McD feels Ed will excel with him as DC and command 20+ mil next year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What a joke. Should’ve spent that money on Edmunds ! 😡 Agreed. The dropoff in performance at LB this season will be far more damaging than risking $45M guaranteed that Oliver, who won't get bigger or faster, actually improves. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 (edited) 6 minutes ago, ChronicAndKnuckles said: What a joke. Should’ve spent that money on Edmunds ! 😡 Edmunds lack of instincts killed us. If he wasn't so physically gifted he'd be a JAG Just too many plays he was out of position, especially on play action This kid Williams has a huge wing span and his instincts jump off the screen Edited June 4, 2023 by JerseyBills 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 This signing could potentially lead to a Hopkins or edge signing. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBFL Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 11 minutes ago, StHustle said: He isn't even paid in the top half of #1 DTs in the league but feel his contract means he should be "changing games regularly" ?? By next offseason his contract won't be in the top 20. Let Beane cook. All your numbers are off You stay whores are hilarious. It's more to his job that won't show up on a stay sheet. Your idea of numbers is off. Look, you are enamored with Beane, that’s cool. But this isn’t an attack on him for filling a position a year earlier that is likely to become a problem. It’s how he’s done it. Your statement of “he isn’t even paid in the top half of #1 DTs” is wild. Because he is precisely paid in the top half when it comes to guarantees in the contract he signed. So I’m not seeing how you come to that conclusion. Secondly, please don’t disparage my belief that he should be “changing games regularly”. He should. Without question. Especially as in your post you believe him to be the #1 DT on this team… Top 10 draft pick. #6 in guaranteed salary with this new contract. Pretty simple there brother… they view/ed him as a game changer talent to draft him that high and have paid him so. Yet statistics show he has a tendency to disappear when it matters. Again, don’t disparage my post because you disagree. Especially when your tee-off statement is inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChronicAndKnuckles Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 1 minute ago, JerseyBills said: Edmunds lack of instincts killed us. If he wasn't so physically gifted he'd be a JAG Just too many plays he was out of position, especially on play action Look how badly the defense fell apart when he went out during the 2nd half of the Vikings game. I felt like he finally started putting it together last season. Expect much more completions over the middle next year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 hours ago, MikePJ76 said: Ever think that maybe that was put out there for a reason during a contract negotiation? Ya mean drive down his price? At $45 million guaranteed it didn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 The contract isn’t bad at all. It’s market value for an average starting DT. There will be like 10DTs that pass him over the next 2 years. 8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Just now, ChronicAndKnuckles said: Look how badly the defense fell apart when he went out during the 2nd half of the Vikings game. I felt like he finally started putting it together last season. Expect much more completions over the middle next year. I mean. We were 4-0 when Dodson started at the same time. When he and the coaching staff had time to prepare 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 minutes ago, MJS said: Oliver does need to play better, though. I think we can all agree on that. I do and I think he is capable of it. 2 minutes ago, StHustle said: Just curious...do you judge players the same when they play healthy as when they play through injuries that limits them 🤔 Playing better does start with him staying healthy. Ed is a good football player. I think he is getting paid a little more than what his performance has shown, but nothing too outrageous. My general thoughts for the signing are this. The $45M in guarantees no doubt has the $10.7M fully guaranteed 5th year option money baked into it. So, it ends up being $34M in new guarantees. That half the contract or 2 years of the 4. There will be an out for Beane if he needs it. I'm going to wait to see what all the contract details are, but it seems to me that Beane will ultimately save around $6M or so on this year's cap which is what he needs to get through the season. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 14 minutes ago, StHustle said: Just curious...do you judge players the same when they play healthy as when they play through injuries that limits them 🤔 Has Oliver been injured for 4 years? Sure would explain a lot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fallser Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 Golly, I feel like we over paid a bit on this guy. He's been a nice player but dang, he hasn't fulfilled that overall draft spot IMO. Oh well, ***** it, let's go Ed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RunTheBall Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Forward Progress said: Are you also the poster formally known as "Wrong Josh?" I should have been 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 12 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: The contract isn’t bad at all. It’s market value for an average starting DT. There will be like 10DTs that pass him over the next 2 years. I agree the contract isn’t horrible, but it’s literally only 0.5M from being in the top 10 of all DT contracts. Definitely not average in my opinion. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, Einstein said: I agree the contract isn’t horrible, but it’s literally only 0.5M from being in the top 10 of all DT contracts. Definitely not average in my opinion. It will be by the 2025 offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 minutes ago, Einstein said: I agree the contract isn’t horrible, but it’s literally only 0.5M from being in the top 10 of all DT contracts. Definitely not average in my opinion. Can’t look now, have to look in the future. Looking now is how gauge the market. He was getting at least $17 million based on market now. In the next 1-2 years this deal will be in the 20’s ranked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 4 hours ago, PrimeTime101 said: Accept some of us did not look at that as a call out, just some things they feel he will improve upon. Washington publicly saying to the press (not Oliver privately) that he needs to improve at playing from the neck up, is certainly calling him out. So was Beane saying he's "left some meat on the bone". (That's not how they typically talk about players publicly). They're clearly trying to light a fire under him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
purple haze Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 3 hours ago, Aussie Joe said: We all saw how Dareus improved after he got his bag.. 2 different people. Next... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 10 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: It will be by the 2025 offseason Bingo. That’s how this contract thing works in the NFL. Some fans just aren’t realistic when it comes to their team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 About where he should be at 16th in average annual value money wise among IDL at 15.75m with the price only going up. Don’t love it or hate it. He’s an above average three technique when healthy. Thought he was older than 25 so he’s got that going for him. I guess this puts the Ed Oliver trade rumors to rest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
benderbender Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 I lost the over/under on Edmunds mentions for this Ed Oliver thread. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 5 hours ago, BattlinBill said: Does this mean we finally have a dt signed for next year?🤔 Heh heh. It does. For me, a mild surprise. Thought it was reasonably likely to happen, but was by no means sure. And the timing is a bit of a surprise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Posted June 4, 2023 Share Posted June 4, 2023 2 minutes ago, benderbender said: I lost the over/under on Edmunds mentions for this Ed Oliver thread. No worries, there's still 3 quarters left 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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