Let's dump on Saffold a little more

[Tanoros]

7 hours ago, Allen2Diggs said:

Saffold may be one of the worst players to make the probowl. He would have been benched if Boettger was healthy.

I just don’t get how he could even be selected to the pro bowl. It makes me think even less of the pro bowl selections (not that I had a high opinion anyway, but now it’s just garbage). 

[PrimeTime101]

8 hours ago, 947 said:

On 2 of those plays, Saffold holds up for 1.3 seconds before getting blown past, which actually makes them 2 of his best pass-pro snaps of the season.

Josh Allen had exactly 2 seconds, 2.4 seconds and 2.75 seconds on each of those plays. Staffold was HORRIBLE on all those plays... all he had to do was block for that extra second and Josh would of had 4-6 seconds to throw the ball. 

[Mr. WEO]

7 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

You know if you can stomach rewatching the entire game Allen really did all he could against the Bengals. Did he miss a few checkdowns sure but man he was as close to a one man team in that game as any game he played recently.

Ironically he only would get into trouble when he would lock on Diggs cause no one else was getting open. 

 

I knew this was another backdoor DHop thread....

[Richard Noggin]

7 hours ago, boyst said:

Was talking about scaffold. 

And it's a big reason I will miss Singleterry. Dude was a process guy. We showed some colors not trying more to keep him. 

 

I, too, will miss him. But the only colors the Bills showed by not wanting to extend an undersized RB with great lateral agility but no speed and below average pass catching were prudence and vision. Singletary has some undeniable cutback juice. But he also has a documented lack of consistent up-field explosion (his 2nd offseason training program, I think, will google later, was openly devoted to converting his lateral elusiveness into actual yards gained). He admitted on record then that his mindset needed an adjustment to focus more on using his skills to move forward (paraphrasing). That's troubling. 

 

As a testament to Singletary's growth mindset, I think we saw glimpses of that rookie explosion in years 3 and 4, but it was eventually obvious to just about any objective observer last season that James Cook is a much more dynamic offensive threat. Even Moss had a couple prior moments that flashed elements (physicality/pass catching) lacking in Devin's game. His Houston deal is totally reasonable for a guy of his skillset, but he has limitations and inconsistencies that make him VERY replaceable. 

[Beck Water]

10 hours ago, Patrick Duffy said:

Well he's an easy one to "dump" on if you're gona choose somebody. Thing is, was so frustrating because when he got signed we all knew (or most of us did/should have) he wasn't a great pass blocker in Tenn and was better run blocker. However, while we knew his pass blocking needed work giving a general idea what to expect from him, speaking for myself here, I didn't think he would be much, much worse than I thought.

 

 

I could be wrong, but I thought he’d been a decent pass blocker in LA and the notion was Kromer would get him back to that

[buffalo2218]

He's already dumped

[PBF81]

3 hours ago, Chaos said:

Until I read this post, I had completely forgot about Singletary.  His actual production will be fairly easily replaced. 

 

We'll see.  He was second in the team in yards-from-scrimmage and 1st-downs.  

 

I don't think that Harris will outperform him.  I suppose together Cook and Harris may outperform what he and Cook did last season.  

 

 

[Einstein]

Any time someone says “I trust Beane”, just remember, Beane thought it was a good idea to sign Saffold to block in our supposed Super Bowl year of destiny.

[GoBills808]

first rep was bad

 

second was ok and third was actually a W imo, understands the front is going to leave his man 1v1, moves him to outside leverage and engages long enough to get the throw off...just couldn't seal him off on the anchor due to bad footing

[machine gun kelly]

The guy was a turnstyle and he’s gone.  Moving on.

[Nitro]

Saffold had a great career but age and injuries caught up.  He should have retired but he signed with the Bills.  This is why I hate signing guys who are over 30.  

[ProcessTruster]

Barring a fresh set of injuries, O Line should be much better this year.   Beane has done his job.  

[Cheesus]

When I re-watched the first half of the game it popped up on NFL network when I was drunk, all I saw was Saffold getting abused. But he was awful all season, so why didn't the coaches try anyone else??  

[CincyBillsFan]

17 hours ago, Dillenger4 said:

Yes, Our D was pathetic that day. Sad, but true. Any time I felt like we may have a shot at coming back our D just couldn't hold them. We were behind all game.

Agree 100%.  Some facts for those that want to point all the blame at the offense & Allen:

 

*  In a playoff game AT HOME and in bad weather, a great defense is expected to start the game off strong. Instead the Bills D gave up 2 long TD drives to put the team in a 14 - 0 hole with the offense having only run 3 plays.

 

*  After the Bills cut the Bengals lead to 14 - 7 the Bills D promptly gave up a 6 minutes FG drive that only avoided being a TD drive by a close replay overturning of a Bengals TD. That drive not only restored the Bengals two score lead but used up most of what was left of the 2nd quarter.

 

*  The Bills opened the 2nd half with a 7 plus minute FG drive that cut the Cincy lead to 17 - 10. The Bills D responded by allowing the Bengals to use up most of the remaining 3rd quarter on a long TD drive to go back up by 14 points.

 

 

 

 

[Mr. WEO]

2 hours ago, Nitro said:

Saffold had a great career but age and injuries caught up.  He should have retired but he signed with the Bills.  This is why I hate signing guys who are over 30.  

 

no one leaves the NFL before they are offered a 1 year contract by Beane...

[TheFunPolice]

I misread the title and thought Saffold started a QB school on Twitter. 

[C.Biscuit97]

20 hours ago, GreggTX said:

Saffold had a great career and was one of the top Guards in the NFL, but injuries took their toll. Am I allowed to bring that up here or is only hate allowed?

 

Everyone loved the signing at the time. So much hindsight. Also, dumping on people who aren’t on the team anymore is super corny. Like the dudes who look at pictures of their ex and just make mean comments. Move forward with the next hot guard. 

[Jerome007]

12 hours ago, Lost said:

Both the OL and DL were complete dumpster fires and getting blown up the whole game.  We definitely got out-schemed defensively as well.

That's what got me so mad for weeks on end. The Bengals OLine wasn't that good to being with, and had 3 backups that day! Yet they somehow still completely manhandled the Bills DL. I'll never get that part.

 

Bengals went on their W streak when their coaching staff adjusted for the lackluster pass protection skills of their OL... and it worked. I felt the B ills O schemes were more creative in the beginning of the year and became predictable and more vanilla as the season progressed. Beasley had a few key plays (including a TD) that were basically scheme created so it can be done!

Dorsey better deliver this year. He has all the toys an OC can ask for!

 

[Brand J]

Looks like he’s on the take. This doesn’t even include the other rep where he got beat immediately after the snap without getting hands on his assignment.

[finn]

It was plain to everyone, especially the coaching staff, I'm sure, that Saffold was beyond awful, yet McBeane sat on their hands all season. Why not give up trade for a competent guard? They didn't need excellent, only adequate. They brought in Brown and Beasley off the street; why not a guard?

 

To my knowledge, no reporter ever asked Beane why he let Saffold start all season long. His actions after the season show he realized he messed up. How may guards did he draft and sign? 15? 

[JohnNord]

21 hours ago, 947 said:

On 2 of those plays, Saffold holds up for 1.3 seconds before getting blown past, which actually makes them 2 of his best pass-pro snaps of the season.

I noticed this too.  For any other starting lineman in the NFL a few these plays would be categorized as “bad” reps.  For Saffold, they are “decent.” 🤣

22 hours ago, Rubes said:

This guy has been tweeting today about Josh's work in the Bengals playoff game, but all I see is Saffold getting repeatedly embarrassed. I don't know if there was something going on with him that game, like an injury or something, but this is just brutal.

 

Gives me hope for next year, since the others on the line seem to be doing a pretty decent job in pass blocking, even Brown.

 

 

I’ve long said that given Star Lotulelei the big five-year contract was Brandon Beane’s worst FA signing.

 

However Saffold might be a close second.  His saving grace was that he was only signed to a one-year deal.  But this was a HUGE year for Buffalo and he almost single-handedly made the line worse 

[BrainwashedBillsFan]

He is so bad. Give Josh time and we win the SB, end of story. 

[78thealltimegreat]

12 hours ago, Mr. WEO said:

 

I knew this was another backdoor DHop thread....

Nah DHOP is history this was an observation of the continuous pressure Allen was under particularly from the jnterior part of the line and when he would throw it his receiver would drop it anyway. 

[Mr. WEO]

11 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Nah DHOP is history this was an observation of the continuous pressure Allen was under particularly from the jnterior part of the line and when he would throw it his receiver would drop it anyway. 

breaking news…

[damj]

Bobby Hart >> 2022 Roger Saffold

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

4 hours ago, finn said:

It was plain to everyone, especially the coaching staff, I'm sure, that Saffold was beyond awful, yet McBeane sat on their hands all season. Why not give up trade for a competent guard? They didn't need excellent, only adequate. They brought in Brown and Beasley off the street; why not a guard?

 

To my knowledge, no reporter ever asked Beane why he let Saffold start all season long. His actions after the season show he realized he messed up. How may guards did he draft and sign? 15? 

 

Good offensive linemen are either on rookie deals, or are paid well.  We had no cap room to acquire anyone mid-season last year, and barely had enough just for practice squad elevations.  

[Punching Bag]

On 6/1/2023 at 2:20 PM, GreggTX said:

Saffold had a great career and was one of the top Guards in the NFL, but injuries took their toll. Am I allowed to bring that up here or is only hate allowed?

 

 

He should have been on a PS for a year while he worked on getting healthy.

It is one thing to pass the physical and another to play 17+ games sometimes only 4 days apart,

[JohnNord]

On 6/1/2023 at 2:07 PM, Patrick Duffy said:

Well he's an easy one to "dump" on if you're gona choose somebody. Thing is, was so frustrating because when he got signed we all knew (or most of us did/should have) he wasn't a great pass blocker in Tenn and was better run blocker. However, while we knew his pass blocking needed work giving a general idea what to expect from him, speaking for myself here, I didn't think he would be much, much worse than I thought.

 

 

I think it was a combination of Aaron Kromer and the fact that Buffalo tried to sign him in 2018.  He was signed to a one-year so he was never going to be a long term answer, but I think they expected a lot more.  He was the weakest link on a pretty average OL

[ChronicAndKnuckles]

Someone made a thread about Beane's biggest off-season blunder. Well, this is it right here. You're offensive line is only as strong as it's weakest link. This proves it right here. SafFOLD folded in the biggest game of the year. That was a surefire TD to Diggs that would've greatly swayed the momentum of this game. So glad both Saffold & Frazier are history. Addition by subtraction. 

[finn]

2 hours ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Good offensive linemen are either on rookie deals, or are paid well.  We had no cap room to acquire anyone mid-season last year, and barely had enough just for practice squad elevations.  

Yeah, but Saffold was a five-alarm fire. You could argue he cost the Bills the season, with his play against the Bengals. By then, it was too late to do anything, but his incompetence was clear from the start. Restructure contracts, trade a player, even snag a warm body off another team's practice squad, if the backups were even worse than Saffold. (Another indictment of Beane, by the way.)

 

Well, it's all water under a dead horse at this point...

[Ethan in Cleveland]

What's odd is he was pretty good the first month of the year and then was absolute garbage the remainder of the year. 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

On 6/2/2023 at 6:02 PM, finn said:

Yeah, but Saffold was a five-alarm fire. You could argue he cost the Bills the season, with his play against the Bengals. By then, it was too late to do anything, but his incompetence was clear from the start. Restructure contracts, trade a player, even snag a warm body off another team's practice squad, if the backups were even worse than Saffold. (Another indictment of Beane, by the way.)

 

Well, it's all water under a dead horse at this point...

 

Ideally u have options to bench him

[billsfan89]

On 6/2/2023 at 8:27 AM, finn said:

It was plain to everyone, especially the coaching staff, I'm sure, that Saffold was beyond awful, yet McBeane sat on their hands all season. Why not give up trade for a competent guard? They didn't need excellent, only adequate. They brought in Brown and Beasley off the street; why not a guard?

 

To my knowledge, no reporter ever asked Beane why he let Saffold start all season long. His actions after the season show he realized he messed up. How may guards did he draft and sign? 15? 

 

McBeane since 2019 usually had attempted to get good depth along the O-line but going into 2022 the depth on the O-line was really bad. Even if you felt like you could get one decent season out of Saffold and Brown would take a leap up the bench was atrocious. Queese was the only decent backup O-line player on the roster. 

 

In 2019 they signed Ty Neshke as a swing tackle and to push Cody Ford at RT, they also signed Mongo, Spain and Spencer Long to help with depth. They also found Bates and Ike to develop behind more proven players. 

 

In 2020 they had signed Darryl Williams to push Cody Ford to the bench, still had Ty Neshke as a swing tackle, signed Brian Winters when Mongo got hurt, brought back Spain to take snaps at guard and had Bates as a super sub and Ike there at guard. 

 

In 2021 they kick Ford inside for depth, and resigned D.Williams then drafted Spencer Brown in the third round while also having Bates backup Mongo. They shifted things around with Brown taking over the RT spot and D.Williams and Bates kicking inside to guard which put Mongo and Ford to the bench. 

 

2022 they had Queese a decent RT/G backup and no one else really. They signed Greg Von Rotten and Manc both of whom were pretty bad players even in terms of backups. They had kicked Bates to the starting lineup which hurt the team's depth and only Queese was a capable backup when the team usually had at least 3 decent backups on the bench the pervious seasons. 

 

2023 seems to be different, assuming Torrence starts that puts Bates back to the bench as a super sub, Queese is back, Edwards was added to the bench and is a starting guard with a lot of experience and they recently added Snell a RT with a moderate amount of experience and some success. They are also kicking the tires on Ike and Doyle.

 

I am really glad McBeane learned their lesson going into 2023 at least attempting to have more quality O-line depth while improving the guard positions. 

Edited June 5, 2023 by billsfan89

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