Royale with Cheese Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Did I witness men flirting just now? DHop rumors get the blood flowing huh. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr.Sack Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Call in Russ Brandon & Doug Whaley to close this deal. All decisions are best made hammered at Tempo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Noggin Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did I witness men flirting just now? DHop rumors get the blood flowing huh. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills1212 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 hours ago, arcadia bob said: Update.... see previous post. DH asked for a 2 year and Bills agreed. He asked for certain things in the contract, and they got that worked out. The problem is DH thinks his value is OBJ contract or better.BB has made his best offer (or at least he says) and it's now up to DH. I asked about other teams offer said he said he has no idea. He doubts BB will move on his offer very much if at all. Dunkirk Don? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) 20 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: Did I witness men flirting just now? DHop rumors get the blood flowing huh. Edited May 31, 2023 by The Wiz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Skiba Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Bottom line is we need this guy or a high caliber running back to have a chance at winning. We haven't done anything major to improve while Miami and the Jets seem to be making progress getting better. We have to do whatever it takes to land this guy and then we are all but guaranteed a Super Bowl, otherwise its business as usual. What say the rest of you? 1 3 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Mike Skiba said: Bottom line is we need this guy or a high caliber running back to have a chance at winning. We haven't done anything major to improve while Miami and the Jets seem to be making progress getting better. We have to do whatever it takes to land this guy and then we are all but guaranteed a Super Bowl, otherwise its business as usual. What say the rest of you? In the past year Brandon Beane has: - Spent a 2nd Round Pick on James Cook - Spent a 5th Round Pick on Nyheim Hines and gave him $4m up front in a restructure to keep him. - Signed Damien Harris - Signed Latavius Murray How exactly do we "need" another RB? Edited May 31, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 3 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffalo2218 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 4 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: In the past year Brandon Beane has: - Spent a 2nd Round Pick on James Cook - Spent a 5th Round Pick on Nyheim Hines and gave him $4m up front in a restructure to keep him. - Signed Damien Harris - Signed Latavius Murray How exactly do we "need" another RB? Agree with all points here, we have the backs, we just need better O line play. Hopefully with the new additions at guard, we get a boost in both the running (by the RBs) and passing. I'm on the fence myself on Hopkins, if we get him, it'll make for an interesting combo with Diggs. But if we don't, I won't be disappointed. To me, there were no excuses for last year's playoff debacle. If we do plan on having a more "aggressive" defense and it pays dividends, it should be a good year. Perhaps Frazier played a bit more passively to keep our defense as fresh as possible. Idk how much Hopkins has left, but Kincaid may end up as good if not better than him. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mikie2times Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 58 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said: In the past year Brandon Beane has: - Spent a 2nd Round Pick on James Cook - Spent a 5th Round Pick on Nyheim Hines and gave him $4m up front in a restructure to keep him. - Signed Damien Harris - Signed Latavius Murray How exactly do we "need" another RB? More I just need more. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJB Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: In the past year Brandon Beane has: - Spent a 2nd Round Pick on James Cook - Spent a 5th Round Pick on Nyheim Hines and gave him $4m up front in a restructure to keep him. - Signed Damien Harris - Signed Latavius Murray How exactly do we "need" another RB? One could argue we are still average at the position even though resources have been spent there We have depth but lack top tier talent 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: In the past year Brandon Beane has: - Spent a 2nd Round Pick on James Cook - Spent a 5th Round Pick on Nyheim Hines and gave him $4m up front in a restructure to keep him. - Signed Damien Harris - Signed Latavius Murray How exactly do we "need" another RB? we need more at RB. by a mile. we need more talent, more quality, more legitimacy. those are all fine depth and role players but they are not bona fide starters. we need more at RB. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I think Jimbo/Hines + Harris/Murray can get done what we need out of our run game. If the Oline can manage to open up a crease there should be ample running room, this becomes even more the case if Dhop enters the huddle. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 24 minutes ago, Pabstblueribbon said: I think Jimbo/Hines + Harris/Murray can get done what we need out of our run game. If the Oline can manage to open up a crease there should be ample running room, this becomes even more the case if Dhop enters the huddle. We really need that online to pan out though, especially at the tackles. We can't have TE and RB staying in to block as often as we did last year. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) RB is not a need, geesh DHop improves O and as a result D Edited May 31, 2023 by Since1981 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gregg Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 Just now, Tenhigh said: We really need that online to pan out though, especially at the tackles. We can't have TE and RB staying in to block as often as we did last year. We will find out week 1 about the OL. The Jets D will probably be one of the best if not the best they face all year. They were ranked 5th in the league in defense last year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BananaB Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Since1981 said: RB is not a need, geesh DHop improves O and as a result D The front office needs to give up at that position if what we got now doesn’t pan out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zevo Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 as I remove myself from my bills bias. If money is the same, I can't think of a good reason why Nuk would choose the Bills over KC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 2 minutes ago, zevo said: as I remove myself from my bills bias. If money is the same, I can't think of a good reason why Nuk would choose the Bills over KC. If he wins the SB with Buffalo he gets a share in the credit. If he wins one with the Chiefs it is business as usual. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 6 minutes ago, zevo said: as I remove myself from my bills bias. If money is the same, I can't think of a good reason why Nuk would choose the Bills over KC. He was asked which QB he'd like to play with and named Josh Allen first 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 (edited) 8 hours ago, gobills1212 said: Dunkirk Don? don't believe so. arcadia bob has been a member since 2002 and only has 25 posts. Doesn't seem like the type to post garbage He says he has a friend who is good friends with DH business manager. That is certainly at least possible Edited May 31, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CountDorkula Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 15 minutes ago, Dr. Who said: If he wins the SB with Buffalo he gets a share in the credit. If he wins one with the Chiefs it is business as usual. Lol what? he wins a Super Bowl. That’s all he cares about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 12 hours ago, arcadia bob said: Update.... see previous post. DH asked for a 2 year and Bills agreed. He asked for certain things in the contract, and they got that worked out. The problem is DH thinks his value is OBJ contract or better. BB has made his best offer (or at least he says) and it's now up to DH. I asked about other teams offer said he said he has no idea. He doubts BB will move on his offer very much if at all. Let's give you the benefit and assume this is accurate... Could it be that we've offered 2 years, 21 million with incentives up to 30 million? That would go along with Ian R mentioning he thinks Hop will get around 10+ mil base and incentives, but won't reach OBJ contract (at least in 1 year) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrags Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 7 hours ago, Mike Skiba said: Bottom line is we need this guy or a high caliber running back to have a chance at winning. We haven't done anything major to improve while Miami and the Jets seem to be making progress getting better. We have to do whatever it takes to land this guy and then we are all but guaranteed a Super Bowl, otherwise its business as usual. What say the rest of you? Careful. There’s plenty of people here that think Harty, Sherfield, and Harris/McMurray will be huge contributors. I can see one of the 4 panning out and being used regularly, while the other 3 play special teams and come in and make substitutions a few times a game but never really touch the ball. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teef Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 15 hours ago, Einstein said: I'd re-evaluate what you think you "know". I am not a contrarian, I am a realist. There are people who agree with me, and to them I would be a conformist. I am only a contrarian to you (and other homers) because I do not prescribe to what you think is true.. you proven my point without having any clue you've done it. bravo. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, mrags said: Careful. There’s plenty of people here that think Harty, Sherfield, and Harris/McMurray will be huge contributors. I can see one of the 4 panning out and being used regularly, while the other 3 play special teams and come in and make substitutions a few times a game but never really touch the ball. Nobody thinks they'll be huge contributors. Reasonable people think they can improve on Mckenzie and Kumerow, while the RBs run through a fortified interior OL. And we won 14 football games last season,out of 18. The Jets finished SIX games behind us. They better hope that they progress a bit!! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 ESPN Insider Fowler predicts Hopkins to Bills Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 10 minutes ago, mrags said: Careful. There’s plenty of people here that think Harty, Sherfield, and Harris/McMurray will be huge contributors. I can see one of the 4 panning out and being used regularly, while the other 3 play special teams and come in and make substitutions a few times a game but never really touch the ball. Quit being that guy to completely stretch the truth to think it strengthens your argument. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, CountDorkula said: Lol what? he wins a Super Bowl. That’s all he cares about. Maybe to you. Fella said he couldn't think of a reason to prefer Buffalo, I gave one. If you don't think it's plausible, that's your perogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 15 hours ago, Einstein's Dog said: A lot of people say if it's about the money, we're done. But they don't seem to consider it's not black and white. For instance if the Pats* put out an offer $1M more than the Bills, it probably isn't cut and dry - especially if the competing offer contains incentive clauses. It's just how close does our offer have to be for him to take ours over the competition. I think part of the hold up is, if true, that no one has offered up OBJ money. I think DHop has a legitimate gripe, I think DHop is more valuable than OBJ. It may be that Dhop was late to the signing party, and may not get what he wants…, happens that way to someone every off season. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 8 minutes ago, teef said: you proven my point without having any clue you've done it. bravo. He thinks he is in the unique position of being the only person who gets to decide what is “real”. It’s just one more opinion, from one more person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: ESPN Insider Fowler predicts Hopkins to Bills Miami? LOL 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Fischer Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 18 hours ago, Rigotz said: I posted this in another thread with a longer explanation… but if Hopkins signs, there is absolutely no need for Gabe and we can get a premium pick for him NOW. We will run heavy 2TE sets this year, correct? If so, Hopkins and Diggs go on the outside, with Harty and Shakir competing in the slot (and Kincaid). That leaves Shorter and Sherfield as deep ball specialists… kinda like Gabe, but they also are great at Special Teams. You don’t keep 7WR in a 2TE system when you can get a premium asset for one who will see only a few snaps per game. What do you think the Bills will get for a #2/#3 receiver on the last year of a rookie contract? 4th or 5th rounder? That's hardly worth it. What benefit would the Bills get out of a trade when they could have a receiver who did VERY well as a #3 and could easily slip into #2 if Diggs or Hopkins? Davis is a proven #3, while the others are not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 3 minutes ago, Bigvinny said: No one available moves the needle. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 I'm disappointed in you slackers only being on 74 pages Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 16 minutes ago, Augie said: He thinks he is in the unique position of being the only person who gets to decide what is “real”. It’s just one more opinion, from one more person. Yep....he's at the highest level on this board. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SCBills Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 5 minutes ago, Bigvinny said: Why? We have six "likely" rosterable WR's and then Shavers, who they signed to a 3 year deal, along with multiple guys like Wayne, Patmon etc..? What would be the point of bringing in another non-Hopkins WR? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein's Dog Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 7 minutes ago, Don Otreply said: It may be that Dhop was late to the signing party, and may not get what he wants…, happens that way to someone every off season. According to some of the leaks it's looking that way. Seems like the league isn't valuing DHop as much as I do. I rate DHop much higher than OBJ. I didn't think DHop's AZ contract was outrageous. $19M seemed worth it to me (cash not cap hit). That's C Godwin, A Cooper, K Allen type money. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 1 minute ago, SCBills said: Why? We have six "likely" rosterable WR's and then Shavers, who they signed to a 3 year deal, along with multiple guys like Wayne, Patmon etc..? What would be the point of bringing in another non-Hopkins WR? Because its posturing. Just like when a player deletes his team from his social media. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hondo in seattle Posted May 31, 2023 Share Posted May 31, 2023 14 minutes ago, SCBills said: Why? We have six "likely" rosterable WR's and then Shavers, who they signed to a 3 year deal, along with multiple guys like Wayne, Patmon etc..? What would be the point of bringing in another non-Hopkins WR? Maybe one of the "rosterable" guys is injured, out-of-shape, or otherwise a disappointment? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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