Hopkins released by Arizona (7/16: signed by Titans)

[Warriorspikes51]

3 minutes ago, JohnBonhamRocks said:

Strikes me as a situation where Beane is sitting at a table with Ateman/Williams, Hopkins is at a table with Hoodie/B.O’B, but Beane and Hopkins really just want to keep trying to steal glances at each other.

You bring 85-90 players to camp. The Bills have 13 WR's.  At BEST, Williams or Ateman is WR7 or WR8.   Hopkins is WR 1B........

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, teef said:

bandito?

Ooooo could be!!!  I'm sticking with Jerry Sullivan though.  Perhaps John Wawrow or Tim Graham

[AuntieEm]

On 5/29/2023 at 11:28 AM, Doc said:

 

Whoops on Dalton.  I thought Murray missed more time than that and did a poor search on his backup.  But the production is what it is.  Write it into his contract that if he gets caught for PEDs again he loses his money. 

 

That being said, I wouldn't break the bank for him.

 

Not sure any player ir agent would sign a contract with a stipulation on getting caught for PEDs when the test itself can get a positive from so many things that aren't even PEDs but an ingredient in it can trigger the positive.  It isn't like the tests are accurate enough to give a reliable and indisputable conclusion.  

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by AuntieEm

[Rigotz]

5 hours ago, Max Fischer said:

 

What do you think the Bills will get for a #2/#3 receiver on the last year of a rookie contract?  4th or 5th rounder? That's hardly worth it. What benefit would the Bills get out of a trade when they could have a receiver who did VERY well as a #3 and could easily slip into #2 if Diggs or Hopkins?  Davis is a proven #3, while the others are not. 

 

The Dolphins traded DeVante Parker and a 5th last year to the Pats for their 3rd rounder.

 

Gabe Davis is 24. DeVante Parker was 29 at the time of trade.

Gabe Davis is set to make $2.9M this year. Devante Parker was set to make $12 Million at the time of trade.

Gabe Davis put up 836 yards last year. Devante Parker did that once in his 5 years with the Dolphins.

 

You don't think Davis would fetch a 3rd?

[Royale with Cheese]

8 minutes ago, teef said:

bandito?

 

Do you know?

 

So give you ID card to the border guard
Your alias says you Captain John Luke Picard
Of the United Federation of Planets
'Cause they won't speak English any ways

[appoo]

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Recognizing that they weren't good enough to get over the hump and acquiring a pro bowl talent like DeAndre Hopkins 

So you mean adding 3 new starters on offense doesn't count? Or paying up to ensure they go back to having a top 5 safety bracket, to go along with what's probably gonna be one of the better corner tandems in the league? Not over spending on to retain Edmunds so they can improve the offense around Allen?

 

But yea, the Jets added a narcisstic, ahole, 39 year old QB while mortgaging their future, while doing almost nothing to fix their OLine, and likely hacing just 1 skill player on their O who would actually start for Buffalo, in Garett Wilson - and even then would be mostly splitting snaps among a bevy of targets.

 

All hail the ***** ***** Jets. So sick of them 

[Warriorspikes51]

4 hours ago, beebe said:

chiefs beat writer jesse newell of the kc star doesn't believe the chiefs will sign hopkins, per a recent podcast. believes the chiefs did their due diligence earlier in the offseason and moved in a different direction. among the reasons:

 

1) the chiefs drafted a WR (rashee rice) early. this signaled the chiefs were moving on from hopkins

 

2) the chiefs believe in toney as a future star and think skyy moore will take another step forward.

 

3) the chiefs would have to borrow against their future, and veach typically hasn't wanted to do that. 

 

4) the chiefs don't want to stunt the growth of their younger WRs in favor of an expensive vet who is likely on the downside of career.

 

he also noted the chiefs wr's this year are likely better than last year. juju was out or injured for the majority of the year; toney missed time with lingering injuries; skyy moore didn't know the offense well and had a very limited role; mecole harman missed essentially the entire season. and yet, the chiefs offense was still essentially the #1 offense in the league and mahomes was the mvp. the chiefs believe moore takes a step forward and rice can contribute right away, with some potential diamonds in the rough on the roster (the two rosses).

 

Just seeing this now. That's encouraging!

They do have  Toney, Moore, Rice and MVS.  Likely a good young core to work with Reid and Mahomes.

Edited May 31, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[Dillenger4]

22 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

Preston Williams is VERY interesting. I remember he burned The Bills a few years ago. It was the P.Williams clinic all day. Interesting find... they are bringing in guys that want to work hard and have great hands.

Preston Williams is interesting.  I don't know who the other guy is.

There are currently 13 WR's on the roster.  Camp competition 

 

Preston Williams is VERY interesting. I remember he burned The Bills a few years ago. It was the P.Williams clinic all day. Interesting find... they are bringing in guys that want to work hard and have great hands.

 

[appoo]

literally just getting healthy on defense, and adding a slot and guard on offense makes the Bills the 2nd best team in the AFC and NFL. 

 

So tired of these myopic takes from the Bills playoff game, when they played awfully on top of being injured and thus out of whack in so many different ways. Just because "PLAYOFFS OMG!!!" doesn't mean the other 16 games didn't count. This is a good freakin team. Really good

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

nice rant but the scoreboard on sunday still changes if the touchdown was scored by a narcissistic 39 year a-hole, so I dont see how that's relevant

 

Our bills needed to upgrade the roster and I dont see it. Arizona cutting Hopkins is a GIFT. hope its not wasted.

 

 

What you're not seeing, maybe because you don't want to, is the Bills already have an elite roster. are PAYING for said elite roster, and don't have NEARLY the margin to make up that the Jets do. And of course it's freakin relevent when you take into account the rest of my post on the Jets' lack of talent at OLine and WR compared to Buffalo

 

The Bills put their nuts on the table when they landed Von Miller and Stephon Diggs, and traded away assets to land Josh Allen. They are far far past the Jets in terms of evolution

Edited May 31, 2023 by appoo

[Dillenger4]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

literally just getting healthy on defense, and adding a slot and guard on offense makes the Bills the 2nd best team in the AFC and NFL. 

 

So tired of these myopic takes from the Bills playoff game, when they played awfully on top of being injured and thus out of whack in so many different ways. Just because "PLAYOFFS OMG!!!" doesn't mean the other 16 games didn't count. This is a good freakin team. Really good

BINGOOOOO

[WotAGuy]

8 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Do you know?

 

So give you ID card to the border guard
Your alias says you Captain John Luke Picard
Of the United Federation of Planets
'Cause they won't speak English any ways

Big Roger Clyne fan here.  The Refreshments were just the start….

[Warriorspikes51]

5 minutes ago, Dillenger4 said:

 

Preston Williams is VERY interesting. I remember he burned The Bills a few years ago. It was the P.Williams clinic all day. Interesting find... they are bringing in guys that want to work hard and have great hands.

 

 

I just discovered Preston Williams was also......... a Carolina Panther! 



Only playing in 8 games for Miami in each of his 3 seasons there....but his stats are fairly impressive considering that

2019:   32 FOR 428  3 TD
2020:  18 FOR 288  4 TD 

He's still only 26 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Warriorspikes51

[appoo]

Leading up to the Bengals game last season in the playoffs - I was thinking the Bengals would win that in a blowout, especially when we found out that Jones was out injured. That game was a perect line up for the Bills to get whomped. Heading into that, it was fairly obvious Saffold was utterly washed, that their RT was playing half injured, that they didn't have a functional secondary with Tre playing half powered, Jordan Poyer completely out of position at Free Safety, they didn't even have an NFL starting quality SS healthy on the roster, Von Miller gone ALONG with with Jones and the Bills playing COLE FREAKIN BEASLEY in the slot because that's how poorly Isiah McKenzie playing. 

 

That game should have surprised no one all things considered. They were utterly reliant on Josh Allen going superman to win that game. In terms of analytic insights this is it: When the Bill roster has  been decimated by inury, and some starters are washed by age, they don't have enough talent to beat really good teams

3 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

so you just rest on your laurels?  the roster is good, but it is not good enough to get past the Bengals or Chiefs obviously. 

 

I think the time for being excited and pumped just for not being terrible is over. Its time to think bigger and try to win something. 

Are you INTENTIONALLY pretending reality isn't reality? That the Bills didn't add quality starters this offseason? Like what is happening? Are you posting from the multi-verse?

Edited May 31, 2023 by appoo

[JohnBonhamRocks]

21 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

You bring 85-90 players to camp. The Bills have 13 WR's.  At BEST, Williams or Ateman is WR7 or WR8.   Hopkins is WR 1B........

I know. I wasn’t saying those guys are Hopkins-level options or replacements. My point was he visiting NE* and Beane hosting WRs are both very possibly attempts to gain leverage in contract negotiations.

[ExWNYer]

10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

Our bills needed to upgrade the roster and I dont see it. Arizona cutting Hopkins is a GIFT. hope its not wasted.

 

If you honestly don't see any upgrades/improvements to this roster then you're either myopic, obtuse, or both. Look a little closer.

[appoo]

And why the obsession with the Jets? If Tua is healthy, they are easily the best roster other than the Bills in the division

[Warriorspikes51]

1 minute ago, appoo said:

And why the obsession with the Jets? If Tua is healthy, they are easily the best roster other than the Bills in the division

That depends what version of Rodgers shows up + Jets Defense is scary

[Gregg]

17 minutes ago, appoo said:

So you mean adding 3 new starters on offense doesn't count? Or paying up to ensure they go back to having a top 5 safety bracket, to go along with what's probably gonna be one of the better corner tandems in the league? Not over spending on to retain Edmunds so they can improve the offense around Allen?

 

But yea, the Jets added a narcisstic, ahole, 39 year old QB while mortgaging their future, while doing almost nothing to fix their OLine, and likely hacing just 1 skill player on their O who would actually start for Buffalo, in Garett Wilson - and even then would be mostly splitting snaps among a bevy of targets.

 

All hail the ***** ***** Jets. So sick of them 

 

We are only at the end of May. Wait until the season starts. The NY and national media will be drooling over them that they are the best team in the league. Wait until the CBS pregame show when Boomer is acting like a Jets cheerleader every week. I hope we beat them week 1. It will be so nice listening to Jets fans calling up WFAN and ranting about the loss. Hopefully!

[appoo]

1 minute ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

That depends what version of Rodgers shows up + Jets Defense is scary

The Jets defense reminds of the so-called elite defenses the Bills used to have during the droughts. A lot of that was OCs game planning fairly conservatively, knowing that the Jets offense was so bad, that all they had to do was not turn the ball over to win games fairly easily. 

 

They are absolutely talented...but some of that is a bit of a mirage. You look at their roster, they don't have as many + players as you'd assume, with a team D with a DVOA that high. 

 

They're gonna fall off this year, as teams are forced to respect the Jets O a bit more

[Starr Almighty]

5 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I dont see an upgraded roster. The swap from Singletary to the plodding NE back is a downgrade. The defensive leader going to Chicago and replacing him with a rookie or expanding the role of AJ Klein is a big downgrade. 

 

oh they got a new TE2? Usually takes those guys a year or two to develop

 

 

 

You said this same nonsense yesterday and I posted stats to prove this to be incorrect. Yet here we are with you repeating it

[appoo]

For example, the Jets faced the 8th most rush attempts in the League, and the 12th least pass attempts. The Bills faced the least number of rush attempts. right around the Bills were the Niners, Bengals and Chiefs (along with the Ravens and Titans), teams with excellent offenses so opposition knew they had to go big against them

Edited May 31, 2023 by appoo

[Turbo44]

8 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I dont see an upgraded roster. The swap from Singletary to the plodding NE back is a downgrade. The defensive leader going to Chicago and replacing him with a rookie or expanding the role of AJ Klein is a big downgrade. 

 

oh they got a new TE2? Usually takes those guys a year or two to develop

 

 

 

I see you're conveniently choosing to ignore the Oline, WR's and DB's (healthy White, Hyde and Poyer)? I also disagree about the RB's.  Everybody ragged on Edmunds; now that's he's gone he's a first ballot HOFer.

[Dillenger4]

10 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I dont see an upgraded roster. The swap from Singletary to the plodding NE back is a downgrade. The defensive leader going to Chicago and replacing him with a rookie or expanding the role of AJ Klein is a big downgrade. 

 

oh they got a new TE2? Usually takes those guys a year or two to develop

 

 

 

Singletary was a weenie who fumbled and can't hit a hole if he tried, which he of course did, and failed. 

"Defensive Leader" went to Chicago?!?? Milano went to Chicago? Oh, you mean for a vacay or to score some sweet dope? Cause Milano is the D and he is still here.

TE2?? Who? Knox? Cause Kincaid is TE#1 and prolly most receptions above Diggs this season.

 

get a life dibbie with your constat trolling and retart like uneducated import trash dreams.

 

You just got wrecked peewee.

 

[Royale with Cheese]

7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I dont see an upgraded roster. The swap from Singletary to the plodding NE back is a downgrade. The defensive leader going to Chicago and replacing him with a rookie or expanding the role of AJ Klein is a big downgrade. 

 

oh they got a new TE2? Usually takes those guys a year or two to develop

 

 

 

 

Explain how Harris is a downgrade from Singletary lol.  

 

Evan Engram had 64 receptions his rookie season.

Kyle Pitts had 68 receptions his rookie season.

 

Not everything is in a vacuum like you believe.

[Coach Tuesday]

Can you guys keep this to Hopkins news please?

[Donuts and Doritos]

Looks like we're looking @ 2 WR. Marcell Ateman & Preston Williams. There goes the Hopkins 💸

 

JK, we've got tons of cash. 😳

 

https://nfltraderumors.co/bills-working-out-two-wide-receivers/

 

Edited May 31, 2023 by Donuts and Doritos

[BuffaloBillyG]

17 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said:

That depends what version of Rodgers shows up + Jets Defense is scary

I wouldn't call it scary. They were very good last year. They were awful the year before with largely the same players (added Sauce and another couple players).

 

Sauce had a great rookie year. Sooner or later though, those flags he wasn't getting on the DPIs all season will be thrown. Mosley is another year older as well. Williams is about to get PAID...does he go the route of Dareus and slack off? This was also a team without expectations last year. That changes some things. 

 

Right now, Saleh keeps mentioning the Jets as a Super Bowl contender. Not playoff. Not Division winners. Super Bowl. His mouth is writing checks and hoping a 40 year old QB that showed a big downswing last year can cash em. He's basically putting himself on the hot seat. That team starts slow....it will implode FAST.

[appoo]

7 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Can you guys keep this to Hopkins news please?

Sure, can we also cut out the incessant whining that's taken over the fanbase? Because that's what got me off kilter in this thread

[ngbills]

7 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

 

Explain how Harris is a downgrade from Singletary lol.  

 

Evan Engram had 64 receptions his rookie season.

Kyle Pitts had 68 receptions his rookie season.

 

Not everything is in a vacuum like you believe.

How did DS get paid basically twice DH?  Not that money is everything, but DS was in more demand and higher paid. So more teams out there believe he is the better player. The Bills needed a player like Harris more. He will likely get much less playing time than DS for the Bills. The real upgrade question is if Cook in year 2 is better not Harris. 

[BillsShredder83]

7 hours ago, Gregg said:

 

We will find out week 1 about the OL. The Jets D will probably be one of the best if not the best they face all year. They were ranked 5th in the league in defense last year.

If they look awesome sure.... if they look mid, I wont be overly alarmed. Who knows if Torrence starts week 1, and its been a major overhaul, theyre gunna need time to gel

[TheBeaneBandit]

29 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

I dont see an upgraded roster. The swap from Singletary to the plodding NE back is a downgrade. The defensive leader going to Chicago and replacing him with a rookie or expanding the role of AJ Klein is a big downgrade. 

 

oh they got a new TE2? Usually takes those guys a year or two to develop

 

 

 

You are just making yourself look more stupid post after post. Harris had had more than a few long runs in his career while has Singletary, well, has he ever had a long run? Seriously time to sit your ass in time out and shut up.

[PonyBoy]

4 hours ago, WotAGuy said:

12 inches here.  

Did you fold it in half? 😃

[teef]

there's no doubt that @SUNY_amherst is bandito.  there's not enough meaty in this world for two different people.

[Dillenger4]

5 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

You are just making yourself look more stupid post after post. Harris had had more than a few long runs in his career while has Singletary, well, has he ever had a long run? Seriously time to sit your ass in time out and shut up.

BOOM! You just wrecked him again! Just ignore the import. It is trying to annoy you.

[Royale with Cheese]

12 minutes ago, ngbills said:

How did DS get paid basically twice DH?  Not that money is everything, but DS was in more demand and higher paid. So more teams out there believe he is the better player. The Bills needed a player like Harris more. He will likely get much less playing time than DS for the Bills. The real upgrade question is if Cook in year 2 is better not Harris. 

 

Yes, the real question is Cook is an upgrade over Singletary?  He is, he took over last year while with us.

 

But the contract differences are minimal and not arguing who is the better RB.  They are both mid level running backs on lower level contracts.

The Bills opted to sign Murray and Singletary instead of retaining Singletary.  I think that's a sign too.

[Alphadawg7]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

His salary could’ve been cut down to $4-5 million cap hit with a restructure. That wasn’t the reason. Teams had cap space at the start of the offseason. Teams didn’t trade for Hopkins.

 

No, this is again inaccurate.  He has a 2 year contract for one.  2nd, teams didn’t just magically have cap space at the start of the offseason, in fact in many cases, especially the ones most interested in him, did not and were actually over the cap.  
 

Buffalo for example early in the off-season had to make moves and restructure deals just to get under the cap, let alone to sign other inexpensive free agents and our rookie class.  Other teams did the same, even cut or let go of good players to get under.  

 

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

 

What you basically said is teams don’t view Hopkins as a WR1 anymore. Not even a low end WR1. That’s what his contract was. A low end WR1.

Sorry, that is not at all what I said.  It is the narrative you’re trying create with the inaccurate statements above, but it’s not at all what I am saying nor is it an accurate reflection of the majority of the views on him across the NFL.

 

Just because teams can’t afford his contract does not mean they view him as a low end WR1.  That’s just a conclusion you want to get to, but that’s not reflective of how the business of the NFL is conducted.  
 

First, given his age and cost, he only makes sense for contending teams, that immediately crosses a majority of teams off as a landing spot.  Of those teams, they need to have the cap space for the next 2 years (based on trading for his contract) to take him on and also have the need for him.  Teams like Cincy and Miami for example are pretty loaded at top end WRs, and there isn’t a “need” to squeeze him in.  Then you have teams who have huge QB contracts and they still need to keep guys on both sides of the ball.  Teams have to weigh what taking on his contract will do towards retaining other players next year too or impacting what other holes they can fill this year.

 

I could keep going with many reasons this cut and dry conclusion you are trying to get to him just isn’t reflective of reality, circumstances, and context of all that is in play when considering a trade for him or signing him to a multi year contract, but I think my point is clear enough as is.
 

It’s totally cool to not be in favor of signing him, I am just saying I think you’re making some leaps in logic on how others view him to get to a conclusion that fits your personal opinion that he doesn’t have much left in the tank.  

[Warriorspikes51]

28 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

Can you guys keep this to Hopkins news please?

 

 

[stevestojan]

Just checking in. I see the thread has devolved nicely. 

[JakeFrommStateFarm]

37 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

Discussion was on roster upgrades so the oft-injured DBs showing up healthy (are they?) is not a roster upgrade

 

Which WRs were brought in as an upgrade? 

 

Harty is an upgrade to Lil dirty.  At least thats what I keep reading on this board.

 

And Shorter should push Davis for snaps and playing time.

[DCofNC]

Sounds like Hop is going to have to pick, actually play for a contender or go for the money.  I don’t know which he will choose, but this is starting to get a Julio Jones kind of feel to it.. can the guy still run enough to be worth the money?  Or is he really down to a possession type now?  I don’t know.  I don’t know what “getting paid” is going to look like for him at this point.  Beckham, though coming off injury has always been explosive and his work outs looked like he still has it.  D-Hop has been explosive enough, but it may be trailing off, with the lack of teams out there that have money, need a “#1 WR” and are real contenders, it’s going to be virtually impossible for him to get everything he wants.  The scary part to me, if he doesn’t go for money, does he land in KC?  That would suck.