Stadium Construction Discussion (No PSL/Seat selection posts)

[Punching Bag]

3 minutes ago, Aimee75 said:

There was a Buffalo News writer named Jason Wolfe, he did a piece a couple years ago, about how the NFL doesn't want Buffalo to have a dome. It wasn't long after the Pats wind swirl game, and he said the NFL loved it and the ratings it brought. I don't remember the whole article verbatim, but you never know what goes on behind closed doors. Maybe Roger and some of the owners sent the message to not have it be a dome?
??

 

Jason Wolf

 

 

[LabattBlue]

If all the STH and any others surveyed about a new stadium had demanded a dome, a dome would have been built. 
 

You wanted an open air experience and your precious tailgating…ask and you shall receive. 
 

 

[Punching Bag]

Behind Pay Gate. Seamonkey browser can open article in editor.

https://buffalonews.com/news/why-not-a-dome-buffalo-s-blizzard-like-branding-plays-a-role-in-bills-stadium/article_eb033a0e-878a-11ec-a284-ff34a8fb3da5.html

 

Edited January 13 by Limeaid

[Dick_Cheney]

8 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

Behind Pay Gate.  Working on workaround/

https://buffalonews.com/news/why-not-a-dome-buffalo-s-blizzard-like-branding-plays-a-role-in-bills-stadium/article_eb033a0e-878a-11ec-a284-ff34a8fb3da5.html

 

Here is a non-paywall version: https://web.archive.org/web/20220209103031/https://buffalonews.com/news/why-not-a-dome-buffalo-s-blizzard-like-branding-plays-a-role-in-bills-stadium/article_eb033a0e-878a-11ec-a284-ff34a8fb3da5.html

[Punching Bag]

I guess those who wanted d0me did not reply to survey:

 

“I would say the other part is the way we envisioned the stadium being designed, with (approximately) 80% of the seats covered, is very much in line with what our fans said in our surveys: that they didn’t mind the cold, they just didn’t want to be wet.

[Aimee75]

Re-reading that, yeah, a dome was never happening. I think the NFL/Owners most likely made it clear to The Pegulas that there will be no dome, or they heavily influenced them. The NFL wants the Buffalo snow games with the crazy shirtless fans in the stands.

[Warcodered]

18 minutes ago, Limeaid said:

I guess those who wanted d0me did not reply to survey:

 

“I would say the other part is the way we envisioned the stadium being designed, with (approximately) 80% of the seats covered, is very much in line with what our fans said in our surveys: that they didn’t mind the cold, they just didn’t want to be wet.

Which is kind of dumb, realistically the only way you're not getting wet is with a dome.

[scuba guy]

11 minutes ago, Warcodered said:

Which is kind of dumb, realistically the only way you're not getting wet is with a dome.

Here is the best thing with new new stadium if you are on the leading edge of the open seats it will be a river of water coming done on you FYI the Phil game 2 years ago No one will want to be in those rows.  And when the snow dumps off from the wind people will be faltened

[Man with No Name]

39 minutes ago, scuba guy said:

Here is the best thing with new new stadium if you are on the leading edge of the open seats it will be a river of water coming done on you FYI the Phil game 2 years ago No one will want to be in those rows.  And when the snow dumps off from the wind people will be faltened

for a bazillion dollars you'd think they'd have drainage and snow melting capabilities to avoid all that. 

[scuba guy]

8 minutes ago, Man with No Name said:

for a bazillion dollars you'd think they'd have drainage and snow melting capabilities to avoid all that. 

Downward slope for rain goes against gravity for drainage 

[Buffalo Super Fan]

1 hour ago, Aimee75 said:

Re-reading that, yeah, a dome was never happening. I think the NFL/Owners most likely made it clear to The Pegulas that there will be no dome, or they heavily influenced them. The NFL wants the Buffalo snow games with the crazy shirtless fans in the stands.

That isn’t accurate according to the new stadium show the Buffalo Bills did for YouTube Terry Pegula was quoted that the NFL owners questioned another open air stadium in Buffalo in league meetings? So it wasn’t the NFL owners this is what Terry Pegula wanted and some of the Bills season ticket holders wanted. It also helped it was the cheapest option. I don’t see Buffalo ever building another football only stadium ever again after this stadium with the way the general public feels about enriching billionaire sports owners this is it. The new stadium will be one of the best future CFL stadiums because that is where Buffalo is heading. You don’t need a dome when the CFL season ends at Thanksgiving which is weather wise more conducive to Western New York weather and wallet. Most likely the Casino will own the team or the Jacobs family or someone completely new on the scene in Western New York in the future. When this new Bills stadium ages out along with Terry Pegula I don’t see the Buffalo Bills staying in Buffalo anymore? Unless Western New York goes through a economic boom which I don’t see happening population is actually leaving New York State. The new open air stadium will fine for our Buffalo Wings the 10th franchise in the CFL. I am sure some Bills fans will be bitter but overtime time heels and you go to what you have in town. It will be like the Buffalo Bandits NLL lacrosse rivalries with Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal and Ottawa.
 

Orchard Park location works well for the stadium because the land has no value if the stadium was in the downtown core you would risk losing the new stadium to land developers in the future. Nothing is ever happening in Orchard Park so when the new Bills stadium is 30 years old it will still be productive as a CFL stadium/concert venue. Just telling it like it is with our economics. The Buffalo Bills can win 7 Super Bowls with Josh Allen and it’s not stopping the shortcomings of Western New York economically plus factoring in so many cities want NFL franchises. If Western New York couldn’t afford a dome now it won’t be any better 30 years from now. Hope I am wrong but I am 56 years old so in 30 years it won’t affect me as a Bills fan enjoy the next 30 years it will be our last years in the NFL. But at the end of day so what the CFL is a good fun football league which is what sports are all about fun in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[LeGOATski]

4 hours ago, SoCal Deek said:

I’m dying to find out how you expect them to support a glass roof spanning an entire football field. 

I didn't say I did. I just said it's ugly.

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, Limeaid said:

I guess those who wanted d0me did not reply to survey:

 

“I would say the other part is the way we envisioned the stadium being designed, with (approximately) 80% of the seats covered, is very much in line with what our fans said in our surveys: that they didn’t mind the cold, they just didn’t want to be wet.

 

I just find it very difficult to believe that these small roof sections are keeping anything other than a very small portion of fans consistently dry.

 

 

 

[LeGOATski]

6 minutes ago, Einstein said:

 

I just find it very difficult to believe that these small roof sections are keeping anything other than a very small portion of fans consistently dry.

 

 

 

They're just trying to appease the whiners. Everyone knows that mostly BS. It's an open football stadium the way God intended. Deal with it...or just stay home

[That's No Moon]

I have a serious question.  The new field is supposed to be grass. Fine. I get that you can heat it and have grow lights and all that to keep it alive.  When we get a storm like this, how are they supposed to clear the field and the stadium without destroying the field?  In the current stadium they can drive large equipment right onto the field.  With grass, which would be soaked by melting snow if the ground were heated, it would be far too soft to do that.  I realize other grass fields can get snow but they don't get typically 2-3'+ of snow in a single storm in Philly or Pittsburgh or Green Bay or Baltimore or Washington.  Cleveland could I guess, but nobody accused Cleveland's field of being good in the winter either.

[JoPoy88]

6 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

That isn’t accurate according to the new stadium show the Buffalo Bills did for YouTube Terry Pegula was quoted that the NFL owners questioned another open air stadium in Buffalo in league meetings? So it wasn’t the NFL owners this is what Terry Pegula wanted and some of the Bills season ticket holders wanted. It also helped it was the cheapest option. I don’t see Buffalo ever building another football only stadium ever again after this stadium with the way the general public feels about enriching billionaire sports owners this is it. The new stadium will be one of the best future CFL stadiums because that is where Buffalo is heading. You don’t need a dome when the CFL season ends at Thanksgiving which is weather wise more conducive to Western New York weather and wallet. Most likely the Casino will own the team or the Jacobs family or someone completely new on the scene in Western New York in the future. When this new Bills stadium ages out along with Terry Pegula I don’t see the Buffalo Bills staying in Buffalo anymore? Unless Western New York goes through a economic boom which I don’t see happening population is actually leaving New York State. The new open air stadium will fine for our Buffalo Wings the 10th franchise in the CFL. I am sure some Bills fans will be bitter but overtime time heels and you go to what you have in town. It will be like the Buffalo Bandits NLL lacrosse rivalries with Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal and Ottawa.
 

Orchard Park location works well for the stadium because the land has no value if the stadium was in the downtown core you would risk losing the new stadium to land developers in the future. Nothing is ever happening in Orchard Park so when the new Bills stadium is 30 years old it will still be productive as a CFL stadium/concert venue. Just telling it like it is with our economics. The Buffalo Bills can win 7 Super Bowls with Josh Allen and it’s not stopping the shortcomings of Western New York economically plus factoring in so many cities want NFL franchises. If Western New York couldn’t afford a dome now it won’t be any better 30 years from now. Hope I am wrong but I am 56 years old so in 30 years it won’t affect me as a Bills fan enjoy the next 30 years it will be our last years in the NFL. But at the end of day so what the CFL is a good fun football league which is what sports are all about fun in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

56? buddy based in how you write I thought you were 13. Yeesh. Maybe time to change your account name again. How many times have you done that this year? Like 3? 

[Pete]

4 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I have a serious question.  The new field is supposed to be grass. Fine. I get that you can heat it and have grow lights and all that to keep it alive.  When we get a storm like this, how are they supposed to clear the field and the stadium without destroying the field?  In the current stadium they can drive large equipment right onto the field.  With grass, which would be soaked by melting snow if the ground were heated, it would be far too soft to do that.  I realize other grass fields can get snow but they don't get typically 2-3'+ of snow in a single storm in Philly or Pittsburgh or Green Bay or Baltimore or Washington.  Cleveland could I guess, but nobody accused Cleveland's field of being good in the winter either.

No field is perfect.  Show me a player who doesn’t prefer to play on grass.

 

Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, and they manage to play all of their matches.  Europe gets extreme weather too

[nucci]

5 hours ago, LeGOATski said:

They're just trying to appease the whiners. Everyone knows that mostly BS. It's an open football stadium the way God intended. Deal with it...or just stay home

god intended?

[Matt_In_NH]

5 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I have a serious question.  The new field is supposed to be grass. Fine. I get that you can heat it and have grow lights and all that to keep it alive.  When we get a storm like this, how are they supposed to clear the field and the stadium without destroying the field?  In the current stadium they can drive large equipment right onto the field.  With grass, which would be soaked by melting snow if the ground were heated, it would be far too soft to do that.  I realize other grass fields can get snow but they don't get typically 2-3'+ of snow in a single storm in Philly or Pittsburgh or Green Bay or Baltimore or Washington.  Cleveland could I guess, but nobody accused Cleveland's field of being good in the winter either.

They never thought of any of this.  You should let them know before it’s too late. 

[SoCal Deek]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

I just find it very difficult to believe that these small roof sections are keeping anything other than a very small portion of fans consistently dry.

 

 

 

Renerings are often deceiving because of the naturally ‘forced’ perspective. Sometime back someone posted the actual plans and cross sections through the new stadium. The roof extends further than it appears in the rendering. Tottenham Stadium is very much the same, and its roof covers the ENTIRE seating bowl. 

[nedboy7]

10 hours ago, Buffalo Super Fan said:

That isn’t accurate according to the new stadium show the Buffalo Bills did for YouTube Terry Pegula was quoted that the NFL owners questioned another open air stadium in Buffalo in league meetings? So it wasn’t the NFL owners this is what Terry Pegula wanted and some of the Bills season ticket holders wanted. It also helped it was the cheapest option. I don’t see Buffalo ever building another football only stadium ever again after this stadium with the way the general public feels about enriching billionaire sports owners this is it. The new stadium will be one of the best future CFL stadiums because that is where Buffalo is heading. You don’t need a dome when the CFL season ends at Thanksgiving which is weather wise more conducive to Western New York weather and wallet. Most likely the Casino will own the team or the Jacobs family or someone completely new on the scene in Western New York in the future. When this new Bills stadium ages out along with Terry Pegula I don’t see the Buffalo Bills staying in Buffalo anymore? Unless Western New York goes through a economic boom which I don’t see happening population is actually leaving New York State. The new open air stadium will fine for our Buffalo Wings the 10th franchise in the CFL. I am sure some Bills fans will be bitter but overtime time heels and you go to what you have in town. It will be like the Buffalo Bandits NLL lacrosse rivalries with Toronto, Hamilton, Montreal and Ottawa.
 

Orchard Park location works well for the stadium because the land has no value if the stadium was in the downtown core you would risk losing the new stadium to land developers in the future. Nothing is ever happening in Orchard Park so when the new Bills stadium is 30 years old it will still be productive as a CFL stadium/concert venue. Just telling it like it is with our economics. The Buffalo Bills can win 7 Super Bowls with Josh Allen and it’s not stopping the shortcomings of Western New York economically plus factoring in so many cities want NFL franchises. If Western New York couldn’t afford a dome now it won’t be any better 30 years from now. Hope I am wrong but I am 56 years old so in 30 years it won’t affect me as a Bills fan enjoy the next 30 years it will be our last years in the NFL. But at the end of day so what the CFL is a good fun football league which is what sports are all about fun in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

 

I like this 7 superbowls with JA talk buddy!

 

Edited January 13 by nedboy7

[Peter]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Renerings are often deceiving because of the naturally ‘forced’ perspective. Sometime back someone posted the actual plans and cross sections through the new stadium. The roof extends further than it appears in the rendering. Tottenham Stadium is very much the same, and its roof covers the ENTIRE seating bowl. 

 

I hope that you are correct.

[Breakout Squad]

Heated grass field with state of the art drainage. I think they’ll be ok 

[Einstein]

1 hour ago, SoCal Deek said:

Renerings are often deceiving because of the naturally ‘forced’ perspective. Sometime back someone posted the actual plans and cross sections through the new stadium. The roof extends further than it appears in the rendering. Tottenham Stadium is very much the same, and its roof covers the ENTIRE seating bowl. 

 

Do you recall how far they extend?

[Just Jack]

9 hours ago, That's No Moon said:

I have a serious question.  The new field is supposed to be grass. Fine. I get that you can heat it and have grow lights and all that to keep it alive.  When we get a storm like this, how are they supposed to clear the field and the stadium without destroying the field?  In the current stadium they can drive large equipment right onto the field.  With grass, which would be soaked by melting snow if the ground were heated, it would be far too soft to do that.  I realize other grass fields can get snow but they don't get typically 2-3'+ of snow in a single storm in Philly or Pittsburgh or Green Bay or Baltimore or Washington.  Cleveland could I guess, but nobody accused Cleveland's field of being good in the winter either.

 

Tarp the field.  

 

 

[Einstein]

4 hours ago, Pete said:

Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, and they manage to play all of their matches.  Europe gets extreme weather too

 

European futbol leagues cancel matches over snow. Anything over 3” and it’s a toss-up whether they play.

For example, this is the snow it took to postpone a Tottenham match: 

 

[zow2]

They actually wanted to build the new stadium in Watertown, NY.  Lake Ontario is deeper, doesn’t freeze as quickly, the organization wanted to eek out every last drop of lake effect on this new stadium each winter,  But ultimately they had to keep it in Orchard Park.

[Virgil]

Would the new stadium have prevented this game from getting postponed?

[That's No Moon]

5 hours ago, Matt_In_NH said:

They never thought of any of this.  You should let them know before it’s too late. 

I'm asking the question. I'm sure they thought of it, I would just like to know how. 

[RiotAct]

7 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

God intended the Bills have an open football stadium? 

I think that was in Chronicles.  Or maybe Deuteronomy.

[Cheektowaga Chad]

Definitely not a great look presently

 

Wonder if the pegulas are gonna be pressured into upgrading the new stadium 

[Simon]

44 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Would the new stadium have prevented this game from getting postponed?

No.

It has nothing to do with the stadium.

[Warcodered]

45 minutes ago, Virgil said:

Would the new stadium have prevented this game from getting postponed?

Only when the weather control device is installed.

[Draconator]

Wasn't the new stadium supposed to have "wind confusion"? That could have had some impact on I-90

[Buffalo Super Fan]

The reason why a dome? A dome wouldn’t have an effect canceling the Buffalo Bills game either way. Agreed. But with a dome with field turf you won’t need shovelers and two you can play the game with no fans. Grass field in a Buffalo open air stadium is one of the worst ideas ever for the Buffalo Bills. Look outside tomorrow Bills fans and ask yourself if natural grass is such good idea in Buffalo December and January weather over field turf ridiculous but what do I know? I have only lived in Buffalo my whole life of 56 years and counting. See War Memorial Stadium, UB Stadium completely got rid of there natural grass for field turf there season ends in November and Sahlen’s Field. Sahlen’s Field as the baseball season has started earlier and ending later and later is having issues with grass and canceling home Buffalo Bisons games in my opinion. Go Bills! Let’s Go Buffalo 

[stevestojan]

1 hour ago, Simon said:

No.

It has nothing to do with the stadium.

I won’t do it, but you run the joint: can you please pin a post telling this to people who don’t understand that unless we build a 200 square mile wide dome, covering all of the 90, 290, and all roads to and from the game, a dome covering the field has ZERO to do with this decision. KC is playing in life threatening cold. NFL doesn’t give a stevestojan. 
 

and this is from me, one of the biggest proponents for a dome this side of some clever analogy I can’t think of since I’m running on 4 hours of sleep over the last three nights combined. 

[Simon]

5 minutes ago, stevestojan said:

I won’t do it, but you run the joint: can you please pin a post telling this to people who don’t understand that unless we build a 200 square mile wide dome, covering all of the 90, 290, and all roads to and from the game, a dome covering the field has ZERO to do with this decision.

 

That I am not going to do.

They don't care and they won't listen; it's nothing more than willful ignorance, the divine right of all spoiled children.

 

And the next time you get that baby to sleep, dive onto a couch and tape your eyes shut regardless of what time it is. 🤙

[djp14150]

13 hours ago, Dick_Cheney said:

Here is a non-paywall version: https://web.archive.org/web/20220209103031/https://buffalonews.com/news/why-not-a-dome-buffalo-s-blizzard-like-branding-plays-a-role-in-bills-stadium/article_eb033a0e-878a-11ec-a284-ff34a8fb3da5.html

 Thanks…

 

a few small issues I have in the article….

 

1. NFL scheduling factors into things other stadium events planned.  Seattle, Baltimore, Kansas City, Dallas, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh all have neighboring football/ baseball stadiums.  Nashville, indy, others have football stadium near nhl/ nba arena.  These sites share parking.  Houston and other stadiums have regular annual events like stste football chsmpionships or other events/ festivals.

 

2.  Concerts don’t do tours dec-March other than some special planned events. Running stadium tours has staffing. Summer stadium tours will do northern locations may- sept then gradually work doen and do I-10 coordoor site in nov/ December. Some tours might do schedules to hit northern dome stadiums.

 

3. putting a dome on—- the cost vs what you can do.  If you know you could just a SB, a few final 4, host a polival convention or other large events like national soccer matches and world cups.

 

4. as for the hotels— that analysis is garbage.  You have to compare apples to apples.  In the east markets are smaller because there are more tc markets.  For example look at seattle ( I’ve lived there) .  Seattle metr stretches from olympia-Tacoma -Seattle-Everett-Bellingham south to north. It’s narrow because of water bodies and mountains.  An equivalence to buffalo would be to talk about the population from Hamilton thru metro Rochester following 90/Q.  The  population is 4M+with hotel rooms.

[LeGOATski]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

God intended the Bills have an open football stadium? 

It's in the Ten Commandments. Thou shalt play football under the unobstructed Heavens.

[McDeerInTheHeadlights]

12 hours ago, Pete said:

No field is perfect.  Show me a player who doesn’t prefer to play on grass.

 

Soccer is the biggest sport in the world, and they manage to play all of their matches.  Europe gets extreme weather too

 

When it comes to soccer, as far as I can remember, not many European countries get soo much snow, and those who do, like the Scandinavian and NE European countries, follow different calendars to the central and southern European ones, having their championships starting around April and finishing before the end of November.