SCBills Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 If we manage to sign a legit pass rusher, shut it down … I don’t want to hear about the loss of Edmunds… this becomes a proper, elite level defense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, daz28 said: Wouldn't there be the third option of play out 5th year, let him sign elsewhere as a UFA, and get comp pick like we did with Tremaine? Sure. Especially if you’re not getting any offers of a 3rd round pick or better. I like that cap space though. I think they’re going to extend Jones at some point creating some space. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, SCBills said: If we manage to sign a legit pass rusher, shut it down … I don’t want to hear about the loss of Edmunds… this becomes a proper, elite level defense. That’s hopefully Groot. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I'm really excited about this signing, and this is the kind of stuff the Bills should have been doing all along instead of being so draft heavy on defense. This guy is a wrecker in a 4-3 and is gonna be great in the DT rotation. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Big Blitz said: That’s hopefully Groot. Still think we need more pass rushers in case of injury. They’re just sitting out there, many good ones. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevewin Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: 5 legit starting DTs on the roster. Phillips does have injury history and Settle underperformed last year so maybe they just want the depth. Beane will trade Settle for a 6th - get all the 6ths 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Blitz Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, Buffalo_Stampede said: Still think we need more pass rushers in case of injury. They’re just sitting out there, many good ones. Don’t disagree. Give me all the big violent people. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 11 minutes ago, SCBills said: It’s a valid question. Their DL was meh last year, but they just switched over to a 3-4 last year … a DL full of 4-3 guys definitely didn’t excel in the new scheme. In their previous 4-3, Poona was a beast. They also were forced to play him at DE, which isn't his position, due to injuries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
balln Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Process said: Jones and Poona at 1T and Phillips and Settle and 3T. There is zero reason to be burning $10M in cap on Ed Oliver and then watching him walk next year. Bills have to move him and use the money elsewhere. Disagree. I’m no Oliver fan. But you get him at a below market 10 M, in a contract year for him. He plays well. We get a 3 or 4th comp pick. He plays insanely well. You resign him no one is trading for him on a 5th year deal. He hasn’t shown enough. He has no value right now 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Just now, balln said: Disagree. I’m no Oliver fan. But you get him at a below market 10 M, in a contract year for him. He plays well. We get a 3 or 4th comp pick. He plays insanely well. You resign him no one is trading for him on a 5th year deal. He hasn’t shown enough. He has no value right now His value is diminished due to his contract. But we play out the year. Next year we are free of the contract. Why not use his talent while he’s here? Similar to TE. The only value he would have is on the DHop trade where we swap contracts and players. Offsetting the huge DHop contract -10m. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ndirish1978 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 5 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Sure. Especially if you’re not getting any offers of a 3rd round pick or better. I like that cap space though. I think they’re going to extend Jones at some point creating some space. We have plenty of ways to create cap space without making the Dline worse. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 minutes ago, Big Blitz said: Don’t disagree. Give me all the big violent people. Melvin Ingram is violent. Beane must be tired of seeing him on the other team causing havoc.....right? He would have ended the Divisional at KC by himself if the QB wasn't Allen. He was constantly in the backfield. He was also a major reason we lost at Miami last season 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I smell some poona *deep breath* HMMMMMMM hello ladies! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I smell some poona This needs more laugh emoticon reactions than you’ve gotten so far haha 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Melvin Ingram is violent. Beane must be tired of seeing him on the other team causing havoc.....right? He would have ended the Divisional at KC by himself if the QB wasn't Allen. He was constantly in the backfield. He was also a major reason we lost at Miami last season I thought Ingram was totally washed… until he became an absolute terror against us. If that is the version we would be getting, I would be on board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, ndirish1978 said: We have plenty of ways to create cap space without making the Dline worse. Yes I know. They could also extend Oliver. I don’t get the logic here. How is a player too good to trade but not good enough to extend? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alphadawg7 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Love love love this signing 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Vets ring hunting in Buffalo. who would have thought that in past decades? Of course, its a great rationalization for taking less money. Some of each likely. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsPride12 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 My biggest problem with the Bills is how soft we are in the trenches...between this and the Torrence pick that tells me Beane knows how big of a weakness that has been for us. Loving these moves 8 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigK14094 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 Bean hunting big bodies these days it seems. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ndirish1978 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: Yes I know. They could also extend Oliver. I don’t get the logic here. How is a player too good to trade but not good enough to extend? His value to us is higher than his trade value in the last year of his deal, pretty straightforward. There is also the very realistic possibility that they HAVE offered him an extension and he is looking for more money. Just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean you should make assumptions. 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JaCrispy Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sharky7337 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Dablitzkrieg said: I smell some poona Well that went south fast! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
buffaloaggie Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 25 minutes ago, HappyDays said: Poona makes whoever we play's job at ILB a lot easier. Double team Ford, and it frees up the linebacker to make plays. Not sure anyone really was double teamed on the D-line. Sure always seemed like some blocker was there to account for Edmunds. Edited May 2, 2023 by buffaloaggie 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Chicagobills said: BIG POON!!!! There was a Chinese restaurant on Monroe Ave in Rochester (actually Brighton) called the “House of Poon” this was destined to happen…, 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 5 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said: His value to us is higher than his trade value in the last year of his deal, pretty straightforward. There is also the very realistic possibility that they HAVE offered him an extension and he is looking for more money. Just because we haven't heard anything doesn't mean you should make assumptions. What if they were able to sign Yannick Ngakoue? If they can keep Ed and sign Yannick, ok. Edited May 2, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 29 minutes ago, BUFFALOTONE said: I aspire to be at your football acumen one day. I'll keep pluggin along. Sometimes when you find yourself in a hole, you should stop digging. Your assertion that a bad defense can't have any good players is utterly moronic. All of your 'witty' comebacks don't make it any better. You even admitted that you didn't know anything about the player. So yes, you'll never achieve the level of acumen that a potato has, but keep on living in a world where you're truly 'special'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 DT3 and let Phillips/Settle battle it out for the #4. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 14 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said: *deep breath* HMMMMMMM hello ladies! 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ndirish1978 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: What if they were able to sign Yannick Ngakoue? If they can keep Ed and sign Yannick, ok. We absolutely could sign him and keep Oliver, depending on how much he costs we would just need to restructure Tre White, Dawkins and if we need a little more, re-sign Daquan Jones. We can also sign FAs to multi-year deals with void years to make their cap hits lower this year or just outright sign them for a mult-year contract. I think Ngakoue is probably a little rich for Beane's tastes though, I would be looking more at Houston or Clark. Edited May 2, 2023 by ndirish1978 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: DT3 and let Phillips/Settle battle it out for the #4. Phillips is tailor made for this defense though. When healthy, he's a force. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said: $10 million in cap space. I'll admit one thing. You are persistent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GreggTX Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 We have 2 solid NT's now. Ford is every bit as good as Jones too. Neither is great, but still... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I’m happy about this, we need some big nasty up front! This helps a lot!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shaw66 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 25 minutes ago, balln said: Disagree. I’m no Oliver fan. But you get him at a below market 10 M, in a contract year for him. He plays well. We get a 3 or 4th comp pick. He plays insanely well. You resign him no one is trading for him on a 5th year deal. He hasn’t shown enough. He has no value right now Very simple, straight forward observation. I think it's right on. Also, a good move by Beane. Have a very solid guy for 2023, and then thank him and say goodbye or write a really big check, which he's shown he's worth. Exactly what they did with Edmunds. It's a quintessential "show me" year for Oliver. And the comp pick thought is right. If Rousseau and Jones each have good years, and if Miller comes back as the real Miller eventually, Oliver may have a monster year, benefitting from all the attention going other ways. He might end up being way over-valued in free agency. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blitzboy54 Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 I'll never get tired of guys choosing Buffalo so they can have a shot at a ring. 6 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 One could argue that Ford is/was one of the top five or so free agents left at ANY position. He isn't like some of the edge rushers left, who are long in the tooth and whose best days are probably behind them. Ford is 27 and, theoretically, should be in the prime of his career. I'm trying to avoid saying that his addition to the Bills' d-line could pay HUGE dividends, but, well... 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted May 2, 2023 Share Posted May 2, 2023 1 minute ago, DCbillsfan said: I'll admit one thing. You are persistent. Persistent about what? What exactly has changed? Trading Oliver has been a major discussion all offseason and they just signed a 5th DT that is a starter. What is the confusion? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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