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Just now, Orlando Tim said:

The 5 receiver set of Diggs and Davis outside and then Shakir- who I am still high on- in the slot, and then Josh can move Knox and Kincaid around wherever he wants, would make things very flexible. 

 

Or you put cook or hines instead of shakir.  It's 12 personnel but we can split 4 or 5 out.  You wanna roll nickel? ok we should have size advantage to run... and you  might get a nickel back trying to cover a knox or kincaid. you add an extra backer?  Good luck covering cook and hines with your linebacker.  Create mismatches. 

 

I look at it like we struggled against blitzes at times last year - we can use a big target to find soft spots and make contested catches.  We also didn't have as much of a game within the red zone, and i think adding a dynamic TE can unlock a bit more of a run game and play action within that spasce.  

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11 hours ago, Virgil said:

The moment we jumped in front of Dallas, I figured this was the pick. 
 

 

Exactly...Did not have TE on my mind AT ALL outside of Washington...I was on the phone with my Nephew literally telling him I want Washington or Mazi there... I really have no idea why I never thought about Kincaid because we were just talking about no TE's taken to that point, and how weird it was. Then the Bills trade up, and I said to him "Who are they jumping ahead of Dallas for?" Then it hit me immediately... Kincaid...I was mocking to Kincaid to the Cowboys since forever. And I was a little shocked for a few mins...Not gonna lie... B-)

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Just now, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

Or you put cook or hines instead of shakir.  It's 12 personnel but we can split 4 or 5 out.  You wanna roll nickel? ok we should have size advantage to run... and you  might get a nickel back trying to cover a knox or kincaid. you add an extra backer?  Good luck covering cook and hines with your linebacker.  Create mismatches. 

 

I look at it like we struggled against blitzes at times last year - we can use a big target to find soft spots and make contested catches.  We also didn't have as much of a game within the red zone, and i think adding a dynamic TE can unlock a bit more of a run game and play action within that spasce.  

Dude calm down- we still have like 4 months till kickoff. 😀

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I'm in agreement that this will be up to Dorsey. I made the terrible mistake of picking Kyle Pitts last season in fantasy, which lead to watching more Falcons games than usual. The take away I had was that atl was trying to stick a square peg in a round hole.  

 

They took a Jimmy Graham and tried to make him a George Kittle and his supreme  athleticism was wasted trying to learn how to block on the line like a "traditional TE". 

 

We really just need DK to block down the field  at a Gabe Davis / Robert Woods level and allow him to find open holes and make Dorsey look like an offensive mastermind lol.

 

Sometimes when I watch KC I wonder how much is Andy Reid and how much is Travis Kelce, every time that guy mysteriously finds himself WIDE OPEN! 

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Just think for a min... if this kid is anything like KC TE Travis Kelce...what that will do for Josh Allen and that Buffalo passing offense.

 

Also, think of the history of the Dallas Cowboy's long list of top TEs and Buffalo went up and grabbed this kid away from them...simply awesome! 

 

 

Now the Bills will look to fill other positions and their needs with the remaining draft. 

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Just now, Pabstblueribbon said:

I'm in agreement that this will be up to Dorsey. I made the terrible mistake of picking Kyle Pitts last season in fantasy, which lead to watching more Falcons games than usual. The take away I had was that atl was trying to stick a square peg in a round hole.  

 

They took a Jimmy Graham and tried to make him a George Kittle and his supreme  athleticism was wasted trying to learn how to block on the line like a "traditional TE". 

 

We really just need DK to block down the field  at a Gabe Davis / Robert Woods level and allow him to find open holes and make Dorsey look like an offensive mastermind lol.

 

Sometimes when I watch KC I wonder how much is Andy Reid and how much is Travis Kelcey, every time that guy mysteriously finds himself WIDE OPEN! 

 

Kelce has some absolutely insane footwork.  He's a slot WR who is also a huge bowling ball, with insane hands and insane ability to highpoint.  He'd be all-pro with pretty much any team assuming they had a QB worth a damn. 

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4 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

Kincaid could be a monster for us.

 

You love to see how NFL.com has the Bills and Josh Allen as losers Rd1? I don't understand how people write this crap and get paid?

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/the-first-read-winners-and-losers-from-round-1-of-the-2023-nfl-draft

 

LoL. That seems as incompetent take as it gets to me. He needs a weapon, he gets a weapon and therefore he is a loser? Yeah that makes sense.

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8 minutes ago, CaliBills said:

 

Most likely just joking around as positions tend to give each other crap.

 

Similar to different branches in the military.

 

Relax....

 

7 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

 

What is wrong with what Beasley said? He is 5'8 and 165 lbs. He shouldnt ever be compared to a TE

 

I mean I'm not offended or anything. Generally, he talks too much. He's irrelevant. He could take it all as a compliment that they are using that avenue to compliment his route running etc. JMO

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4 minutes ago, SUNY_amherst said:

 

 

What is wrong with what Beasley said? He is 5'8 and 165 lbs. He shouldnt ever be compared to a TE

 

Sure, if you look at form over function.

 

Beasley functioned as the Bills best over the middle, zone beating, stick moving, pressure release valve. All while having the highest catch % on the team. 

 

This seems to be the same role the Bills are hoping Kincaid fills. 

 

Side note, the year we lost to KC in the AFC championship game. I can't help but wonder how much different that game would have been had Beasley not fractured his damn leg going after 1,000 yards against the Pats in a game that was all sewed up. 

 

 

 

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Trading ahead of Dallas for the second year in a row and picking their guy is absolutely hysterical. The look on their faces in the Dallas war room after when McCarthy is spouting out nonsense to jerry jones is meme worthy

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5 hours ago, Real McNasty said:

Kincaid could be a monster for us.

 

You love to see how NFL.com has the Bills and Josh Allen as losers Rd1? I don't understand how people write this crap and get paid?

 

https://www.nfl.com/news/the-first-read-winners-and-losers-from-round-1-of-the-2023-nfl-draft

 

 

That take is especially surprising seeing as though the NFL Network's #1 scout was probably higher on Kincaid than anybody...Jeremiah should give that dude a call. B-)

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21 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said:

I missed the earlier part of this thread but do people actually think Beane is a bad GM? You can argue he is not the best but to argue he is not easily top 10 is absurd. 

Misses:

Star

Trent Murphy

Epenesa

Ed Oliver at 9

Boogie Basham

Spencer Brown

Not doing anything significant at OL for a long time

Zack Moss 

Trading for Hines and not using him 

Not having any WR's last season and signing Brown and Beasley 

Cody Ford

Trading away Teller

Dumping Hodgins for nothing to keep Jake Kumerow 

Tyler Kroft

Frank Gore, Chris Ivory monstrosities

Drafting 3 running backs in the top 3 rounds in 4 years
Terrell Bernard special teamer in the third round 

Overpaying Dawson Knox

Having McKenzie play way too much 

A bunch of minor misses in Free Agency (Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard)

Rodger Saffold

 

Hits: 

Josh Allen (Obviously one of the greatest moves we have ever made)

Diggs trade

Gabe Davis in the 4th

Dane Jackson in the 7th 

DaQuan Jones 

Edmunds 

Taron Johnson 

Mitch Morse 

Beasley 

Dawson Knox (in the draft)

Tyler Bass

Singletary (kind of) 

Minor hits in the draft (Harrison Phillips)

 

This doesn't sound like the record of a top 10 GM to me. 

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10 hours ago, Bills Bud said:

They drafted Dawson Knox again basically 

Those words you keep on saying, I do not think they mean what you think they mean…,

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I'm firmly in the "well that's fine" camp on this pick.

 

I'm not that excited, TEs rarely make a big splash year 1. Maybe it'll make Knox better, I don't know.

 

I still want Hopkins or a WR investment in round 2.  

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Beas was also extremely "qb friendly" when the line broke down and Josh had to go backyard football mode and make something happen. 

 

The more I'm thinking about this pick the more I like it lol. 

 

Not to derail from the topic too much, but if Bean goes psycho mode and grabs that burner from TN as a development wr? We could be set for LAD (life after diggs). 

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4 minutes ago, MWK said:

Misses:

Star

Trent Murphy

Epenesa

Ed Oliver at 9

Boogie Basham

Spencer Brown

Not doing anything significant at OL for a long time

Zack Moss 

Trading for Hines and not using him 

Not having any WR's last season and signing Brown and Beasley 

Cody Ford

Trading away Teller

Dumping Hodgins for nothing to keep Jake Kumerow 

Tyler Kroft

Frank Gore, Chris Ivory monstrosities

Drafting 3 running backs in the top 3 rounds in 4 years
Terrell Bernard special teamer in the third round 

Overpaying Dawson Knox

Having McKenzie play way too much 

A bunch of minor misses in Free Agency (Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard)

Rodger Saffold

 

Hits: 

Josh Allen (Obviously one of the greatest moves we have ever made)

Diggs trade

Gabe Davis in the 4th

Dane Jackson in the 7th 

DaQuan Jones 

Edmunds 

Taron Johnson 

Mitch Morse 

Beasley 

Dawson Knox (in the draft)

Tyler Bass

Singletary (kind of) 

Minor hits in the draft (Harrison Phillips)

 

This doesn't sound like the record of a top 10 GM to me. 


This is solidly a “glass half empty” take 

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1 hour ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

I guess you can argue he's been underutilized, but not a whole lot.

 

17th in TE targets. 17th in TE receptions. Tied for 5th in TE TDs. 14th in TE yards.

 

All this for a guy whose brother died during the season. Is it really that surprising that they started him slow? 

 

He had 27 targets in the first eight weeks, out of his total of 65. He had 20 catches out of 48 in his first eight games. 

 

Folks, none of this makes any less than total sense. 

 

Finn, "incompetent" is way way overstating it for Brown, who was recovering from back surgery, didn't have an offseason, and improved a lot as the season went along. But yeah, fair enough, he wasn't as good as we wanted and may well have needed more help sometimes than you'd want him to, and that may have affected the way they used Knox.

 

 

Yes, you're right. I was venting my frustration to a degree after seeing Brown so often miss his block. It seemed that Allen's routine was to go back, dodge Brown's missed block, dodge Saffold's blown assignment, and only then get ready to throw. Your assessment is more sober and accurate. 

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1 hour ago, John from Riverside said:

I mean, it’s all relative right whenever people talk about him not being a very good blocker they mean a very good blocker for a tight end. This guy will still totally maul a defensive back


and be great chipping ends off the line

 

and while he won’t heads up move a DE back in the run game regularly they aren’t going to collapse him regularly either 

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12 hours ago, Wizard said:

Initial reaction is...does Dorsey know how to use him?

 

The only thing I didn't like was that Beane panicked and gave away a 4th.

Did  you see the look in the Dallas war room? Beane knew Dallas would take him, he had to jump them if he wanted Kincaid

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the comparison is about the SLOT position

 

kincaid can highpoint the ball much higher than beasley.......and also block better with a significant weight advantage

 

beasley needs to move along....he's embarrassing himself.....he's never playing for the bills again

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10 minutes ago, MWK said:

Misses:

Star

Trent Murphy

Epenesa

Ed Oliver at 9

Boogie Basham

Spencer Brown

Not doing anything significant at OL for a long time

Zack Moss 

Trading for Hines and not using him 

Not having any WR's last season and signing Brown and Beasley 

Cody Ford

Trading away Teller

Dumping Hodgins for nothing to keep Jake Kumerow 

Tyler Kroft

Frank Gore, Chris Ivory monstrosities

Drafting 3 running backs in the top 3 rounds in 4 years
Terrell Bernard special teamer in the third round 

Overpaying Dawson Knox

Having McKenzie play way too much 

A bunch of minor misses in Free Agency (Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard)

Rodger Saffold

 

Hits: 

Josh Allen (Obviously one of the greatest moves we have ever made)

Diggs trade

Gabe Davis in the 4th

Dane Jackson in the 7th 

DaQuan Jones 

Edmunds 

Taron Johnson 

Mitch Morse 

Beasley 

Dawson Knox (in the draft)

Tyler Bass

Singletary (kind of) 

Minor hits in the draft (Harrison Phillips)

 

This doesn't sound like the record of a top 10 GM to me. 

wow - you sir are the tool of the day.

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27 minutes ago, Beast said:

Heard on GR this morning that the last TE drafted in the 1st round to make an impact for the team drafting him was Marcedes Lewis in 2006.

that is a concern of mine. and the second contracts to tight ends as they come of age are ludacris.

 

it's nice to have a featured tight end but teams are better off dumpster diving to potentially find someone 

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1 minute ago, MWK said:

Misses:

Star

Trent Murphy

Epenesa

Ed Oliver at 9

Boogie Basham

Spencer Brown

Not doing anything significant at OL for a long time

Zack Moss 

Trading for Hines and not using him 

Not having any WR's last season and signing Brown and Beasley 

Cody Ford

Trading away Teller

Dumping Hodgins for nothing to keep Jake Kumerow 

Tyler Kroft

Frank Gore, Chris Ivory monstrosities

Drafting 3 running backs in the top 3 rounds in 4 years
Terrell Bernard special teamer in the third round 

Overpaying Dawson Knox

Having McKenzie play way too much 

A bunch of minor misses in Free Agency (Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard)

Rodger Saffold

 

Hits: 

Josh Allen 

Diggs trade

Gabe Davis in the 4th

Dane Jackson in the 7th 

DaQuan Jones 

Edmunds 

Taron Johnson 

Mitch Morse 

Dawson Knox (in the draft)

Tyler Bass

Singletary (kind of) 

Minor hits in the draft (Harrison Phillips)

 

This doesn't sound like the record of a top 10 GM to me. 

From 6-10 in 2018...to 10-6 in 2019...to 13-3 in 2020...to 11-6 in 2021...to 13-3 in 2022. 

 

This GM has built a team that has been on the verge of a Super Bowl for several years. Taken the AFC East crown three seasons in a row. Buffalo has one of the very best QBs, WRs, and defenses in the NFL.

 

SI grades Brandon Beane as the very best GM in the league...think I'll side with their view on the subject!

 

 https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

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Kincaid is a stud TE. Beane sprinted to the podium. This pick will be one of the all-time steals of any NFL draft. Kincaid was my dream but I thought no way - he is top 12 only because of the QB's that needed to be taken otherwise he's top 10. Best hand in the entire draft.

This is our #2 boys. Just wait and see.

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Just now, Nihilarian said:

From 6-10 in 2018...to 10-6 in 2019...to 13-3 in 2020...to 11-6 in 2021...to 13-3 in 2022. 

 

This GM has built a team that has been on the verge of a Super Bowl for several years. Taken the AFC East crown three seasons in a row. Buffalo has one of the very best QBs, WRs, and defenses in the NFL.

 

SI grades Brandon Beane as the very best GM in the league...think I'll side with their view on the subject!

 

 https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

But but but his point about Tyler Kroft.  You’re leaving that out.

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2 minutes ago, Nihilarian said:

From 6-10 in 2018...to 10-6 in 2019...to 13-3 in 2020...to 11-6 in 2021...to 13-3 in 2022. 

 

This GM has built a team that has been on the verge of a Super Bowl for several years. Taken the AFC East crown three seasons in a row. Buffalo has one of the very best QBs, WRs, and defenses in the NFL.

 

SI grades Brandon Beane as the very best GM in the league...think I'll side with their view on the subject!

 

 https://www.si.com/nfl/bills/news/buffalo-gm-brandon-beane-rank-best

Bingo! You said it perfect. Taht dudes take is a troll joke.

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2 minutes ago, boyst said:

that is a concern of mine. and the second contracts to tight ends as they come of age are ludacris.

 

it's nice to have a featured tight end but teams are better off dumpster diving to potentially find someone 


kyle Pitts had 1000 yards as a rookie

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17 minutes ago, MWK said:

Misses:

Star

Trent Murphy

Epenesa

Ed Oliver at 9

Boogie Basham

Spencer Brown

Not doing anything significant at OL for a long time

Zack Moss 

Trading for Hines and not using him 

Not having any WR's last season and signing Brown and Beasley 

Cody Ford

Trading away Teller

Dumping Hodgins for nothing to keep Jake Kumerow 

Tyler Kroft

Frank Gore, Chris Ivory monstrosities

Drafting 3 running backs in the top 3 rounds in 4 years
Terrell Bernard special teamer in the third round 

Overpaying Dawson Knox

Having McKenzie play way too much 

A bunch of minor misses in Free Agency (Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard)

Rodger Saffold

 

Hits: 

Josh Allen (Obviously one of the greatest moves we have ever made)

Diggs trade

Gabe Davis in the 4th

Dane Jackson in the 7th 

DaQuan Jones 

Edmunds 

Taron Johnson 

Mitch Morse 

Beasley 

Dawson Knox (in the draft)

Tyler Bass

Singletary (kind of) 

Minor hits in the draft (Harrison Phillips)

 

This doesn't sound like the record of a top 10 GM to me. 

Let us see your comparisons. 

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17 minutes ago, MWK said:

Misses:

Star

Trent Murphy

Epenesa

Ed Oliver at 9

Boogie Basham

Spencer Brown

Not doing anything significant at OL for a long time

Zack Moss 

Trading for Hines and not using him 

Not having any WR's last season and signing Brown and Beasley 

Cody Ford

Trading away Teller

Dumping Hodgins for nothing to keep Jake Kumerow 

Tyler Kroft

Frank Gore, Chris Ivory monstrosities

Drafting 3 running backs in the top 3 rounds in 4 years
Terrell Bernard special teamer in the third round 

Overpaying Dawson Knox

Having McKenzie play way too much 

A bunch of minor misses in Free Agency (Quinton Jefferson, OJ Howard)

Rodger Saffold

 

Hits: 

Josh Allen (Obviously one of the greatest moves we have ever made)

Diggs trade

Gabe Davis in the 4th

Dane Jackson in the 7th 

DaQuan Jones 

Edmunds 

Taron Johnson 

Mitch Morse 

Beasley 

Dawson Knox (in the draft)

Tyler Bass

Singletary (kind of) 

Minor hits in the draft (Harrison Phillips)

 

This doesn't sound like the record of a top 10 GM to me. 

 

Do every GM with your same negative attitude and see how they hold up. You might find 2 maybe 3 that has done better. But you dont want that perspective, you wouldnt be able to complain.

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