Saint Doug Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 11 hours ago, Bills Bud said: They drafted Dawson Knox again basically Not true. Knox never caught a TD in his college career. Kincaid has. A bunch of them. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 7 minutes ago, boyst said: that is a concern of mine. and the second contracts to tight ends as they come of age are ludacris. it's nice to have a featured tight end but teams are better off dumpster diving to potentially find someone We didnt draft a TE tho. We drafted a slot WR. And he should be able to contribute there right away, and then maybe grow into a TE spot. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pabstblueribbon Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Anyone remember when we had Fred Jackson AND Marshawn Lynch and our brain trust decided to select CJ spiller with its high first round pick? I think we're being a little hard on the Beaner.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2018 on Josh Allen - Pete Prisco, CBS Sports They get the best QB in the draft and they had to go make the move to get him. Love the trade, love the pick. Grade: A+ If you want to bet against Prisco and I in favor of PFF and Skip, by all means have fun. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill Grundy Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I’m really excited by it. The red zone offence wasn’t at all what it should have been last season - or if stats show it was, it didn’t *feel* that way. Also way too much pressure on Josh on third downs. Seems positive to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dopey Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, Orlando Tim said: I missed the earlier part of this thread but do people actually think Beane is a bad GM? You can argue he is not the best but to argue he is not easily top 10 is absurd. I get the feeling most here like the job Beane is doing here. I do. Someone questioned whether or not he should "blindly follow" Beane and gave a list of "misses" that Beane made either by draft or FA. Just pointing out he could look up any GM and see misses. Even the SB winner had misses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, LondonBill said: I’m really excited by it. The red zone offence wasn’t at all what it should have been last season - or if stats show it was, it didn’t *feel* that way. Also way too much pressure on Josh on third downs. Seems positive to me. And that just happens to be one area where Kincaid shines brightest. Watch his film...in the redzone, he's straight money. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Motorin' Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 10 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: 2018 on Josh Allen - Pete Prisco, CBS Sports They get the best QB in the draft and they had to go make the move to get him. Love the trade, love the pick. Grade: A+ If you want to bet against Prisco and I in favor of PFF and Skip, by all means have fun. Yeah, but Prisco's objection to the pick was not understanding why the Bills need another TE. He qualified it by saying, maybe it makes more sense if they play more 2 TE formations. Maybe he didn't hear Beane say that Kincaid is a Big Slot Z receiver and not the same Y position in the Bills scheme as Knox? Edited April 28, 2023 by Motorin' 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I’m a fan of PP. But very lazy grading of first round BRobinson is a top 10 player as Kincaid. Bills already have Knox when BB has stated he won’t be an in-line TE. I hope re revisits once he sees how the Bills plan to use him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robert Paulson Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 19 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: When Skip and PFF are on the Kincaid train, then you know you are on the wrong ride. That was my only concern about this pick-skip is almost always wrong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Motorin' said: Yeah, but Prisco's objection to the pick was not understanding why the Bills need another TE. He qualified it by saying, maybe it makes more sense of they play more 2 TE formations. Maybe he didn't hear Beane say that Kincaid is a Big Slot receiver? Beane flat out said they aren't going to be in 12 very often. He said more along the lines of an 11 and 1/2. The sooner people stop looking at this guy as a cookie cutter TE, the better, because that's not what he is and not what we needed anyway. We needed receivers who can run good routes, who get open, and who can reliably catch the football. That's what we got. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 35 minutes ago, BillsSbSoon said: Trading ahead of Dallas for the second year in a row and picking their guy is absolutely hysterical. The look on their faces in the Dallas war room after when McCarthy is spouting out nonsense to jerry jones is meme worthy Dan Patrick talking about it is pretty funny. “They look like ‘oh, no! What do we do now?’ Then they make the pick and ‘OK, everybody give a polite clap now.” 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JGMcD2 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 15 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: 2018 on Josh Allen - Pete Prisco, CBS Sports They get the best QB in the draft and they had to go make the move to get him. Love the trade, love the pick. Grade: A+ If you want to bet against Prisco and I in favor of PFF and Skip, by all means have fun. Hahaha the fact that you’re lumping yourself in with Pete Prisco like it means something is hysterical It’s also “bet against Prisco and me”😂 Edited April 28, 2023 by JGMcD2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 6 minutes ago, Motorin' said: Yeah, but Prisco's objection to the pick was not understanding why the Bills need another TE. He qualified it by saying, maybe it makes more sense if they play more 2 TE formations. Maybe he didn't hear Beane say that Kincaid is a Big Slot Z receiver and not the same Y position in the Bills scheme as Knox? He also said Mayer is a better TE, which he is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teddy KGB Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Can we trade this Beane and this guy for Kelce and KC’s GM ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: He also said Mayer is a better TE, which he is. Mayer is a better blocker. That's it. We didn't draft Kincaid for his blocking ability. Edited April 28, 2023 by Billz4ever 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 4 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Beane flat out said they aren't going to be in 12 very often. He said more along the lines of an 11 and 1/2. The sooner people stop looking at this guy as a cookie cutter TE, the better, because that's not what he is and not what we needed anyway. We needed receivers who can run good routes, who get open, and who can reliably catch the football. That's what we got. We don’t need a Gesicki, we need a Hopkins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFan130 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 hour ago, Dopey said: Allen, Edmunds, Teller, Bass, Gabe, Dane, Harrison Phillips, Beasley, Morse, Von. Like every other GM in the league, there are hits and misses in the draft and Free Agency. My favorite example is how KC gets so much props for the Isaiah Pacheco pick. He was a 7th round pick who was a pleasant surprise, but people here either forget or over look the fact that he replaced a 1st round bust at RB by KC. Again, hits and misses for every GM, even the SB winner. Blindly follow? I'm not sure what you mean by this. He's the GM, not you. You don't have to follow or agree with him. Pretty sure he doesn't care. He's put together one of the most talented and deeper teams in the NFL, without the benefit of hindsight. I'm with John From Riverside. Beane knows what he's doing and he's one of the better GM's in the league. I never said he wasn’t. But for us not to question him and just blindly agree with everything he does would be foolish. Wouldn’t you agree? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stretch Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 hours ago, Real McNasty said: Kincaid could be a monster for us. You love to see how NFL.com has the Bills and Josh Allen as losers Rd1? I don't understand how people write this crap and get paid? https://www.nfl.com/news/the-first-read-winners-and-losers-from-round-1-of-the-2023-nfl-draft The author actually wrote more about why he could be wrong about why Kincaid was not the correct pick to make. He also had the Texans GM as a winner for taking a QB who will bust and giving up a first, second, and third to move up 9 spots. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, IronMaidenBills said: We don’t need a Gesicki, we need a Hopkins. Why is that? We need receivers that get open and catch the football. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: Mayer is a better blocker. That's it. We didn't draft Kincaid for his blocking ability. Lol Mayer is a better overall TE that will have a better career when said and done because he’s useable at any point of the game. Mayer is just as good as a ball catcher, he’s Gronk like underneath. 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: Why is that? We need receivers that get open and catch the football. Gesicki is a glorified WR, and not even an elite receiver. I’d much rather have a real WR like Hopkins who is actually better than Kincaid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 His story- if you haven’t seen it- gives some perspective 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
I'm Spartacus Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 12 hours ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said: This franchise has never had a top tier TE in their entire history. Been wanting it for years. Paul Costa! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Just now, IronMaidenBills said: Lol Mayer is a better overall TE that will have a better career when said and done because he’s useable at any point of the game. Mayer is just as good as a ball catcher, he’s Gronk like underneath. Tell me how many people care about Kelce's blocking? Zero. Kincaid is a better receiver. Period. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ethan in Cleveland Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 44 minutes ago, KOKBILLS said: That take is especially surprising seeing as though the NFL Network's #1 scout was probably higher on Kincaid than anybody...Jeremiah should give that dude a call. Its a weak in the moment take. Yes they didn't add a WR which was his main point or address the OL. But it is only one round. And Kincaid is a weapon on offense. Also let's not forget Bills added two WR, a LG, have Shakir developing, and have Hines for the full year. Should we address OT? Yes. Hope they do. As for weapons, I'm fine with what they have. I'd add an OT or even a C/G in the next round. Then go get a couple front 7 defenders with the rest of the picks. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: We don’t need a Gesicki, we need a Hopkins. We could still get a Hopkins. We could still trade for literal Hopkins. There wasn't an obvious Hopkins-esque talent left on the board. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Tell me how many people care about Kelce's blocking? Zero. Kincaid is a better receiver. Period. Kincaid isn’t Kelce, he’s Gesicki. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: We don’t need a Gesicki, we need a Hopkins. Who would you have drafted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billz4ever Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 4 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Kincaid isn’t Kelce, he’s Gesicki. How do you know? I'll say it now...you're clearly already hoping he's a bust so you can gloat and say I told you so. Tell me why none of the other teams in the first round took Mayer either if he's the best TE in the draft? Dallas wanted Kincaid and then passed on Mayer. Edited April 28, 2023 by Billz4ever 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBBills Fan Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, Nephilim17 said: Saw some tape of him now and I had a poop-eating grin the whole time. Too big for CBs, too savvy and quick for LBs. We got a first-down machine who will not drop the ball. Love it . dont eat poop, it will give you worms Edited April 28, 2023 by TBBills Fan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 Do you ever feel better about your opinions when you see who disagrees with you??? 😋 1 minute ago, Billz4ever said: How do you know? I'll say it now...you're clearly already hoping he's a bust so you can gloat and say I told you so. It does have that feel, doesn’t it? Not uncommon around these parts. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 3 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who would you have drafted? He would’ve traded our 1st rounder for Breece Hall 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
syhuang Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: How do you know? I'll say it now...you're clearly already hoping he's a bust so you can gloat and say I told you so. Got the same feeling of his post too, remind me of lots of so called Bills fans hoping Josh to bust so they could gloat 😎 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 2 hours ago, JerseyBills said: Lol. Skip is pisssssed I've got to watch that later Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sierra Foothills Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 (edited) 12 hours ago, CorkScrewHill said: CBS ranked his as 31st best player, ESPN had him at #14, and PFF had him as #10 overall. I like the pick but we shall see Daniel Jeremiah had him ranked 9th overall. 8 hours ago, Nextmanup said: Apparently, he didn't run a 40 time at the combine b/c he had a back problem. Does anyone know what sort of speed this guy has? 8 hours ago, JoPoy88 said: Very unofficially he’s somewhere in the 4.7-4.9sec 40 range. Disagree. 8 hours ago, Buffalo716 said: 40 times (game speed) is definitely one of my specialties as a scout I usually always have it down within .05 id say he’s a 4.55-4.6 He looks sub 4.6 for sure. Also it looks like his 10 yard split would be excellent. Very good suddenness and burst but also fluid and not herky jerky. 6 hours ago, UKBillFan said: In relation to Dorsey getting him involved, that doesn't bother me. I have more confidence in his play calling than most. All-22 etc. showed many occasions where players were available but not used on failed attempts. He has the ability to set up plays where Kincaid is available. My issue with Dorsey is whether he can manage Josh. Because he was either not telling him to take what's available, was not being listened to, or Josh failed to move away from the default big play more often than not when pressured. Hopefully Kincaid can help by building a relationship with Josh over pre season. To the bolded, I've posted this numerous times. Josh was not taking the layups that Daboll had him taking previously. I think there are many reasons for Dorsey Optimism. The personnel will be better for his schemes, we should reasonably expect fewer injuries, and another year in the helm will help. But he has to show that he has the ability to maximize Josh's talents and minimize the hero ball stuff that only hurts the team. 6 hours ago, Real McNasty said: You love to see how NFL.com has the Bills and Josh Allen as losers Rd1? I don't understand how people write this crap and get paid? https://www.nfl.com/news/the-first-read-winners-and-losers-from-round-1-of-the-2023-nfl-draft The funny thing is the write up addressed all the facets of the pick. In other words the writer understood most of the Bills context but made the wrong conclusion. Like many people on this board he couldn't process how Kincaid fits with Knox. I think of it this way: Kincaid will probably be second on the Bills in receptions and receiving yards. He also might lead the team in TD receptions. Another way of looking at is that people on this board have been trying to point out that Kelce is KCs WR1. Call him Weapon1 if that's helpful. Kincaid is Weapon2 for the Bills. Or as another poster adroitly pointed out upthread, the NBA has become a league without positions... you have stretch 3s and stretch 4s and "wing players." You have "shoot first point guards." In football they're getting away from DE vs LB and grouping them as "Edge" players. Same thing with Kincaid. To understand the fit you have to be more flexible in your thinking. Edited April 28, 2023 by Sierra Foothills 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QLBillsFan Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Kincaid isn’t Kelce, he’s Gesicki. He will be better than GS. And your comparison is to the best TE in football. He stretches the field. He will force the D to go nickel at key times. Improving match ups and giving an advantage to running the ball in key situations. The other TE’s do not offer this. DHop comes with a massive cap hit and adds the diva component along w Diggs who has some of that already. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Milanos Milano Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 5 minutes ago, NewEra said: Who would you have drafted? I likely would have traded down and target Avila and Sanders in the 2nd. Assuming we traded for Hopkins, who I want more than Hyatt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 8 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: Kincaid isn’t Kelce, he’s Gesicki. Take a break, man. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 14 minutes ago, Billz4ever said: Mayer is a better blocker. That's it. We didn't draft Kincaid for his blocking ability. Yep they are trying to create a mismatch situation and Mayer doesn't do that. It seems like they have a specific strategy for this. 16 minutes ago, IronMaidenBills said: He also said Mayer is a better TE, which he is. The league clearly disagrees. It seems like Dallas would have taken Kincaid if the Bills didn't and Mayer is still on the board. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsDiehard Posted April 28, 2023 Share Posted April 28, 2023 I get it now...love the pick for personal reasons! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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