Mark Vader Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 13 minutes ago, Solomon Grundy said: Great news. Saw him at airport Sunday flying out Was he the plane? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I like him more at $3m AAV than $5m AAV. Frustratingly he already costs us $1.25m against this year's cap from last year's contract with its void year. Don't be surprised if this deal has a void year and basically kicks that money over into 2024. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 I'm actually a little surprised they haven't re signed Lawson. Wasn't he on a vet minimum deal last year? He's pretty good at that price imo 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 (edited) 30 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said: Tim Settle seems to be in the most hot-water entering the season. Beane just said in his press conference yesterday that the staff likes what they have in Oliver. Based on the presser yesterday I still think once they get past the draft they will have conversations about extending Ed. Now whether it happens will come down to can they find a number both sides like, but Brandon often talks about liking to have some room to maneuver in season and the easiest way to create that is an Ed Oliver extension, plus I don't see them going into 2024 with 0 DTs under contract. If I had to lean one way on Ed a week ago I was 60/40 against him being here in 2024. The last 24 hours I might have swung the other way. Edited March 29, 2023 by GunnerBill 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Love JP. Happy hes back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Process Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 With this signing, I also wouldn't mind seeing us move Ed, rolling with Settle and JP at 3T, and drafting a backup 1T in the middle rounds. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charles Romes Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 He was great the first few weeks. That unnecessary shoulder injury scrambling around v the Pats really hampered the Ds ability to establish anything post Von. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 47 minutes ago, Process said: Hopefully he doesn't put himself on IR diving at air again. Bring back shaq on the cheap too. Then the only hole on defense is MLB and can otherwise go all offense in the draft. Beane won't ' go all offense in draft. Most of the DTs are on expiring contracts. Secondary depth was challenged last year and you can't have too many corners in the AFC. I would also like an OLB/Edge to back up Von. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 What is his shoulder situation ? Did he have surgery? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I like him more at $3m AAV than $5m AAV. Frustratingly he already costs us $1.25m against this year's cap from last year's contract with its void year. Don't be surprised if this deal has a void year and basically kicks that money over into 2024. There are 4 players worth over $7M in void year money next spring. It's part of doing business in today's NFL. If some board members here had their way, it would be 4 times that amount. As to the Phillips cost this year, he had a good amount of time to find a team to pay him money. $3M sounds about right for him re-signing with the Bills. Keep Jordan fresh and they need to work Oliver like a dog early in the season. It's his contract year and he has had the advantage of the heavy rotation his first 4 years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Firebaugh Kid Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 GREAT pickup!!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Perhaps not 3 Million? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wppete Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: Perhaps not 3 Million? Whatbisbthis? Did the Bills announce anything? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: There are 4 players worth over $7M in void year money next spring. It's part of doing business in today's NFL. If some board members here had their way, it would be 4 times that amount. As to the Phillips cost this year, he had a good amount of time to find a team to pay him money. $3M sounds about right for him re-signing with the Bills. Keep Jordan fresh and they need to work Oliver like a dog early in the season. It's his contract year and he has had the advantage of the heavy rotation his first 4 years. Yea the void years are a result of covid as much as anything. That screwed the cap for a couple of years and teams are still digging their way out of it a bit. I think they will reduce again in time but the last 2/3 offseasons everyone has been using them. Even traditional cash to cap teams. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SoCal Deek Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 With all of this I believe what you’re seeing is Beane coming to terms with their present cap situation. (Not that he didn’t already know.) He doesn’t have a ton of money to throw around and he knows he’s got more than enough holes to fill. Looks to me like they’re going to roll the dice with the guys they know, pray for less injuries next season, and use the draft to replace those that left for ‘greener’ pastures. It’s becoming clear that they are NOT in a rebuilding mode. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, Steptide said: I'm actually a little surprised they haven't re signed Lawson. Wasn't he on a vet minimum deal last year? He's pretty good at that price imo He is probably next. Honestly he earned a raise IMO, probably holding out for something Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 4 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: Perhaps not 3 Million? 🤷♂️ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, Warcodered said: 🤷♂️ Okay I like him less at $4.6m AAV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kiva Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 He was healthy for one game last year!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Okay I like him less at $4.6m AAV. It says "up to" doesn't that mean the AAV is lower? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: It says "up to" doesn't that mean the AAV is lower? I mean the "up to" could mean heavily incentivised. That is fair. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 minute ago, GunnerBill said: Yea the void years are a result of covid as much as anything. That screwed the cap for a couple of years and teams are still digging their way out of it a bit. I think they will reduce again in time but the last 2/3 offseasons everyone has been using them. Even traditional cash to cap teams. Totally agree. I believe we are seeing some of that in this year's FAs. Not near as many huge signings. It's adjusting slowly but surely. One thing a lot of fans don't see is the math behind all of this. Restructuring and void years can be a great tool (I believe Beane is doing a very good job with that) BUT when you get to losing too much cap through void years it takes away "dollar for dollar" in the current season. Beane, for all his moves only lost $3.25M in void dead cap this season. That is pretty good for a team with a vet-signed QB. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsShredder83 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, Warriorspikes51 said: It says "up to" doesn't that mean the AAV is lower? Id assume so. That said, I LOVE him at $4.6 lol would prefer it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: Okay I like him less at $4.6m AAV. Everything I saw all said the 1 year $3m that's the only thing I saw that I thought might line up with whatever that tweet I was replying to might be about. With Beane though it's always best to just wait and see how the contract actually is because it's usually something different anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said: I mean the "up to" could mean heavily incentivised. That is fair. Yes. If the incentives are "dressed games", I can see that and have no problem with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenryJones Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 This signing sucks! (Money can be better spent, elsewhere) 3 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Virgil said: Love it. Bring back Lawson on the same deal They have offered Lawson a vet minimum deal. He's waiting to see if he gets offered something better. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
msw2112 Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 A team can't have all-pro players (and all-pro salaries) at every position and every backup position. Teams need reliable, affordable veteran depth players. Phillips, when healthy, is at least that, if not an effective starter who generates good push inside. Good signing. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 minutes ago, HappyDays said: They have offered Lawson a vet minimum deal. He's waiting to see if he gets offered something better. Strange that other teams don't see the value in him. He is a good backup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HappyDays Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 46 minutes ago, papazoid said: PFF grades out of 127 #20 daquan #43 oliver #83 settle #98 phillips Phillips is quite a bit better than Settle when healthy. Problem is he wasn't healthy most of the season. PFF doesn't factor that into their grades. 1 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, MJS said: Strange that other teams don't see the value in him. He is a good backup. He's played his best football with the Bills. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, Royale with Cheese said: I hope that's an "up to" $3M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nitro Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Good to have him back. Big run stopper in the middle. He helps Oliver by taking two blockers on. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Just now, Nitro said: Good to have him back. Big run stopper in the middle. He helps Oliver by taking two blockers on. Hmm. I think he is pretty suspect in run defense. He is more of a pass rusher and havoc creator. 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr. Who Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 45 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said: Beane won't ' go all offense in draft. Most of the DTs are on expiring contracts. Secondary depth was challenged last year and you can't have too many corners in the AFC. I would also like an OLB/Edge to back up Von. I think maybe you just outed yourself, Sean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 1 hour ago, SCBills said: Glad to have him back. He’s definitely the best option we have for the money we seem willing to pay. Interesting DT room. Four DT’s. None under contract for ‘24. Room is deep enough that drafting a DT doesn’t seem necessary - but if they do, given our future DT look, are we carrying 5 active DT’s on the 53 all year? Good question. We carried 9 DLmen last season before Von Miller was hurt (I'm pretty sure), 5 DE and 4 DT. So maybe this season we would carry 4 DE and 5 DT if we draft one? I expect to see Beane negotiate an extension of DaQuan Jones after the draft, and he's talked about being unable to re-sign Edmunds due to needing money to re-signing Ed Oliver and Gabe Davis. Don't know what we'll see there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figster Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NC-billsfan! Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 Great signing! His shoulder will be better next year, he’s a handful when healthy. Now we need him in an interview. “Shaq, sign the damn contract!” 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 3 minutes ago, MJS said: Hmm. I think he is pretty suspect in run defense. He is more of a pass rusher and havoc creator. He can be sound in run defense. He's perfectly capable of it. It's a choice with him, like Allen passing up the short chain-mover for the lower percentage deep bomb. In his first go-around with Buffalo, he tended to sacrifice run gap integrity in favor of getting a jump in pass D. Last year he was mostly better, though I saw Edmunds chewing his ass a few times. That would be a good question - with Edmunds gone, who will keep him on task? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruffalo Posted March 29, 2023 Share Posted March 29, 2023 20 minutes ago, HenryJones said: This signing sucks! (Money can be better spent, elsewhere) I'll bite. Who are you going to get for 3 million (which is probably incentive heavy) that is better for the scheme? 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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