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30 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

Tim Settle seems to be in the most hot-water entering the season. 

 

Beane just said in his press conference yesterday that the staff likes what they have in Oliver. 

 

Based on the presser yesterday I still think once they get past the draft they will have conversations about extending Ed. Now whether it happens will come down to can they find a number both sides like, but Brandon often talks about liking to have some room to maneuver in season and the easiest way to create that is an Ed Oliver extension, plus I don't see them going into 2024 with 0 DTs under contract. If I had to lean one way on Ed a week ago I was 60/40 against him being here in 2024. The last 24 hours I might have swung the other way. 

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47 minutes ago, Process said:

Hopefully he doesn't put himself on IR diving at air again.

 

Bring back shaq on the cheap too. Then the only hole on defense is MLB and can otherwise go all offense in the draft. 

Beane won't ' go all offense in draft.  Most of the DTs are on expiring contracts. Secondary depth was challenged last year  and you can't have too many corners in the AFC. I would also like an OLB/Edge to back up Von.

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10 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

I like him more at $3m AAV than $5m AAV. Frustratingly he already costs us $1.25m against this year's cap from last year's contract with its void year. Don't be surprised if this deal has a void year and basically kicks that money over into 2024. 

 

There are 4 players worth over $7M in void year money next spring.

It's part of doing business in today's NFL.  If some board members here had their way, it would be 4 times that amount.

 

As to the Phillips cost this year, he had a good amount of time to find a team to pay him money.  $3M sounds about right for him

re-signing with the Bills.

 

Keep Jordan fresh and they need to work Oliver like a dog early in the season.  It's his contract year and he has had the advantage of the

heavy rotation his first 4 years.

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5 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

There are 4 players worth over $7M in void year money next spring.

It's part of doing business in today's NFL.  If some board members here had their way, it would be 4 times that amount.

 

As to the Phillips cost this year, he had a good amount of time to find a team to pay him money.  $3M sounds about right for him

re-signing with the Bills.

 

Keep Jordan fresh and they need to work Oliver like a dog early in the season.  It's his contract year and he has had the advantage of the

heavy rotation his first 4 years.

 

Yea the void years are a result of covid as much as anything. That screwed the cap for a couple of years and teams are still digging their way out of it a bit. I think they will reduce again in time but the last 2/3 offseasons everyone has been using them. Even traditional cash to cap teams.

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With all of this I believe what you’re seeing is Beane coming to terms with their present cap situation. (Not that he didn’t already know.) He doesn’t have a ton of money to throw around and he knows he’s got more than enough holes to fill. Looks to me like they’re going to roll the dice with the guys they know, pray for less injuries next season, and use the draft to replace those that left for ‘greener’ pastures. It’s becoming clear that they are NOT in a rebuilding mode.

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20 minutes ago, Steptide said:

I'm actually a little surprised they haven't re signed Lawson. Wasn't he on a vet minimum deal last year? He's pretty good at that price imo

He is probably next.   Honestly he earned a raise IMO, probably holding out for something

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Yea the void years are a result of covid as much as anything. That screwed the cap for a couple of years and teams are still digging their way out of it a bit. I think they will reduce again in time but the last 2/3 offseasons everyone has been using them. Even traditional cash to cap teams.

 

Totally agree.  I believe we are seeing some of that in this year's FAs.  Not near as many huge signings.  It's adjusting slowly but surely.

 

One thing a lot of fans don't see is the math behind all of this.  Restructuring and void years can be a great tool (I believe Beane is doing a

very good job with that) BUT when you get to losing too much cap through void years it takes away "dollar for dollar" in the current season.

Beane, for all his moves only lost $3.25M in void dead cap this season.  That is pretty good for a team with a vet-signed QB.

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2 minutes ago, GunnerBill said:

 

Okay I like him less at $4.6m AAV.

Everything I saw all said the 1 year $3m that's the only thing I saw that I thought might line up with whatever that tweet I was replying to might be about. With Beane though it's always best to just wait and see how the contract actually is because it's usually something different anyways.

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A team can't have all-pro players (and all-pro salaries) at every position and every backup position.  Teams need reliable, affordable veteran depth players.  Phillips, when healthy, is at least that, if not an effective starter who generates good push inside.  Good signing.

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2 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

They have offered Lawson a vet minimum deal. He's waiting to see if he gets offered something better.

Strange that other teams don't see the value in him. He is a good backup.

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Just now, Nitro said:

Good to have him back.  Big run stopper  in the middle. He helps Oliver by taking two blockers on.  

Hmm. I think he is pretty suspect in run defense. He is more of a pass rusher and havoc creator.

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45 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

Beane won't ' go all offense in draft.  Most of the DTs are on expiring contracts. Secondary depth was challenged last year  and you can't have too many corners in the AFC. I would also like an OLB/Edge to back up Von.

I think maybe you just outed yourself, Sean.

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1 hour ago, SCBills said:

Glad to have him back.  He’s definitely the best option we have for the money we seem willing to pay. 
 

Interesting DT room.  Four DT’s.  None under contract for ‘24.  
 

Room is deep enough that drafting a DT doesn’t seem necessary - but if they do, given our future DT look, are we carrying 5 active DT’s on the 53 all year?  
 

 

Good question.  We carried 9 DLmen last season before Von Miller was hurt (I'm pretty sure), 5 DE and 4 DT.    So maybe this season we would carry 4 DE and 5 DT if we draft one?

 

I expect to see Beane negotiate an extension of DaQuan Jones after the draft, and he's talked about being unable to re-sign Edmunds due to needing money to re-signing Ed Oliver and Gabe Davis.  Don't know what we'll see there.

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3 minutes ago, MJS said:

Hmm. I think he is pretty suspect in run defense. He is more of a pass rusher and havoc creator.

 

He can be sound in run defense.  He's perfectly capable of it.

 

It's a choice with him, like Allen passing up the short chain-mover for the lower percentage deep bomb.  In his first go-around with Buffalo, he tended to sacrifice run gap integrity in favor of getting a jump in pass D.  Last year he was mostly better, though I saw Edmunds chewing his ass a few times.  That would be a good question - with Edmunds gone, who will keep him on task?

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20 minutes ago, HenryJones said:

This signing sucks!  (Money can be better spent, elsewhere)

I'll bite. 

 

Who are you going to get for 3 million (which is probably incentive heavy) that is better for the scheme? 

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