Punching Bag Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Clear Coach McDermott can provide input and evaluations to front office but a head coach is supposed not just be a more highly paid defense coordinator. It has been a month (Leslie Frazier's stepping down was announced on February 23) and I expected to at least hear of interviews. [ To those who want to bash Leslie Frazier there are already other threads and no need to repeat yourself unless you do not have self control to prevent it ] Leslie taking "A year sabbatical" is an issue for Bills if his contract is guaranteed not due to his salary but because candidates may not want to be hired on a one year lame duck contract. Even if they were offered multi-year contracts the new coach would not want to step down. Internal Candidates: Eric Washington - previously coached for Coach McD for 5 years and when he left he was DC for 2 years for Panthers Al Holcomb - previously coached for Coach McD for 4 years and when he left he went to Cardinals where he was DC for 1 year Coach McD says he wants a more aggressive defense and the Cover 2 scheme he runs does not tend to be aggressive although it has been dialed up. Bills have some players who can be aggressive who are good at blitzing. My preference would be an outside candidate and I advocated a senior defense assistant last year without experience with working with Coach McD to serve as counterpoint but that never occurred. I have heard Mike Pettine being suggested by media who is assistant HC for Vikings but not any position coach but I doubt he would want to come back but he might with a different front office.. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunnerBill Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 They are not hiring one. 4 18 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 He’s already been hired, minus the title. 2 9 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 It's a weird situation, but I assume this is why they brought in Holcomb. 4 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2024 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doc Brown Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 If I'm McDermott, it's time to think outside the box and step out of your comfort zone. 1 3 20 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FITZamishRIFLE Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: I have heard Mike Pettine being suggested by media who is assistant HC for Vikings but not any position coach but I doubt he would want to come back but he might with a different front office.. No way it would be Pettine. He is a 3-4 guy 1 hour ago, Limeaid said: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Donuts and Doritos Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Don't need a set coordinator, just have a bunch of guys do it. Just like NE Offense last year. It'll be fine. 2 1 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thurman#1 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: It's a weird situation, but I assume this is why they brought in Holcomb. Holcomb was hired before Frazier came to them and told them about this On the 28th, they said Frazier had come to the team and discussed his feelings on stepping away "last week." Holcomb was hired on Feb. 8th. But yeah, they're dealing with this with the folks who are already on the staff. Edited March 23, 2023 by Thurman#1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Doc Brown said: If I'm McDermott, it's time to think outside the box and step out of your comfort zone. That's outside everyone's comfort zone. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, NewEra said: He’s already been hired, minus the title. This right here, ^^^ the “ Senior Defensive Assistant” they hired, Seems like Sean may be calling the D side this up coming season…, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Moulds 808080 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Coach is the cord!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 People don’t listen.. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NeverOutNick Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Beane said it’ll be an internal hire. Seems like they’re grooming Bobby Babich for the position but I wouldn’t be surprised if McDermott just holds the title this year and runs the D himself 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProcessTruster Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 When you can't touch the QB, you can't touch the WRs, its impossible to stop a top, quick release QB and top WRs other than a few drives per game, I am not super interested or concerned about defense. Playing the top 5-7 teams, you simply need to outscore them, so put your focus on having the number 1 offense. Focus the D on getting 4-5 stops per game (punts/FGs) when you score TDs on all but 3 of your drives. I am exaggerating, but why go nuts sweating over and spending huge $$ on D when the rules don't allow them to play? I'm glad Edmunds walked.. he doesn't generate stops, he just forces offenses to take longer to score a TD. That model is interesting but doesn't work against top 5 teams. You need to score, score and score some more. Is it possible that the flag football game at the Pro Bowl was pretty entertaining because it looked a lot like the regular game? 1 1 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Red King Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Donuts and Doritos said: Don't need a set coordinator, just have a bunch of guys do it. Just like NE Offense last year. It'll be fine. Danggit, was going to say the same thing. XD 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I can see Luke Kuechly entering the picture in some defensive capacity. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Back2Buff Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, HOUSE said: I can see Luke Kuechly entering the picture in some defensive capacity. lol, no. The guy doesnt want to live in Buffalo year round. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Back2Buff said: lol, no. The guy doesnt want to live in Buffalo year round. What a snob Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 McD is the DC. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PBF81 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) Whoever it is, let's make sure that it's someone from Carolina. Their tenacious defense and inspiring playoff performances over the past five seasons is a standard to be brought her to Buffalo. Edited March 23, 2023 by PBF81 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan28277 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 3 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: IT'S REX WRECKS TIME. Fixed. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Simon Says Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Holcomb was hired before Frazier came to them and told them about this On the 28th, they said Frazier had come to the team and discussed his feelings on stepping away "last week." Holcomb was hired on Feb. 8th. But yeah, they're dealing with this with the folks who are already on the staff. It is possible this move was in the works BEFORE Holcomb got hired. Maybe they will let Frazier keep his DC title to save face,and Holcomb can work under HIS title. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just like the belief in Spencer bRown stuff, Beane was pretty clear that they won't add anyone from the outside and it sounds like McDermott is going to call the plays. I bet Holcomb or Bobby Babich will be the run game coordinator and Butler will be the passing game coordinator, doing all the grunt work with McDermott calling the plays on gameday. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 10 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: Just like the belief in Spencer bRown stuff, Beane was pretty clear that they won't add anyone from the outside and it sounds like McDermott is going to call the plays. I bet Holcomb or Bobby Babich will be the run game coordinator and Butler will be the passing game coordinator, doing all the grunt work with McDermott calling the plays on gameday. Really no different from the way that teams with offensive gurus operate. There is no reason that it can’t work in the defensive side of the ball too. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Big Turk said: McD is the DC. So he is… the McDC 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 (edited) 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Holcomb was hired before Frazier came to them and told them about this On the 28th, they said Frazier had come to the team and discussed his feelings on stepping away "last week." Holcomb was hired on Feb. 8th. But yeah, they're dealing with this with the folks who are already on the staff. Which tells you everything you need to know about whose decision it was for Frazier to exit the building. He’s likely getting a paid to take a year off because he had another guaranteed year on his contract. In that case the Bills would have to pay him unless he took another coaching job, which would explain why he’s not jumping back into coaching this year. Edited March 23, 2023 by BarleyNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, Thurman#1 said: Holcomb was hired before Frazier came to them and told them about this On the 28th, they said Frazier had come to the team and discussed his feelings on stepping away "last week." Holcomb was hired on Feb. 8th. But yeah, they're dealing with this with the folks who are already on the staff. Then did the hiring of Holcomb cause Frazier to want to leave? Either way, it seems like they were preparing for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenhigh Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 6 hours ago, Doc Brown said: If I'm McDermott, it's time to think outside the box and step out of your comfort zone. 5 hours ago, Malazan said: That's outside everyone's comfort zone. 5 hours ago, ALLEN1QB said: IT'S REX TIME. That's outside everyone's comfort zone. 1 hour ago, FrenchConnection said: Really no different from the way that teams with offensive gurus operate. There is no reason that it can’t work in the defensive side of the ball too. I wish we could bring in an offensive "assistant" to prop up Dorsey. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Nobody likely will get named DC since Leslie on sabbatical but who calls plays/develops the game plan will be interesting. I'll assume it be Al Holcomb. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I already sense he sucks. We are down 0-3 in the first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt_In_NH Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 Its like Heinz ketchup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Nobody likely will get named DC since Leslie on sabbatical but who calls plays/develops the game plan will be interesting. I'll assume it be Al Holcomb. McDermott will call the plays just like Andy Reid calls the plays in KC and Siriani calls the plays in Philly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Heavy Kevi Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 My take is this: -wanted to fire Frazier -McD wants to try calling defense himself So they came up with a compromise. Fraz says "I need a year off". FO pretends they anticipate him back next year, so McD calls the defense in his stead. If it goes well: McDs a genius. Don't bring back Frazier If it doesn't: we need a new scheme so we hired Cordy McCoordinator. Leslie who? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 4 hours ago, GolfandBills said: People don’t listen.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 I predict that no one will officially hold that title this year. It will be a group effort between Sean McDermott, Eric Washington, Al Holcomb, and Bobby Babich. When it ultimately comes to who will be most responsible for calling plays on gameday, my money would be on Coach McDermott or Coach Washington. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Otreply Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 2 hours ago, LeGOATski said: Then did the hiring of Holcomb cause Frazier to want to leave? Either way, it seems like they were preparing for it. Imo, yes it did, LF knew he was non longer fully calling the shots, so he “retired/went on hiatus” (to Florida where all retired people wait to be called up…,) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Low Positive Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 1 hour ago, Tenhigh said: That's outside everyone's comfort zone. I wish we could bring in an offensive "assistant" to prop up Dorsey. We do. They signed Mike Shula for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Utah John Posted March 23, 2023 Share Posted March 23, 2023 8 hours ago, Limeaid said: Clear Coach McDermott can provide input and evaluations to front office but a head coach is supposed not just be a more highly paid defense coordinator. It has been a month (Leslie Frazier's stepping down was announced on February 23) and I expected to at least hear of interviews. [ To those who want to bash Leslie Frazier there are already other threads and no need to repeat yourself unless you do not have self control to prevent it ] Leslie taking "A year sabbatical" is an issue for Bills if his contract is guaranteed not due to his salary but because candidates may not want to be hired on a one year lame duck contract. Even if they were offered multi-year contracts the new coach would not want to step down. Internal Candidates: Eric Washington - previously coached for Coach McD for 5 years and when he left he was DC for 2 years for Panthers Al Holcomb - previously coached for Coach McD for 4 years and when he left he went to Cardinals where he was DC for 1 year Coach McD says he wants a more aggressive defense and the Cover 2 scheme he runs does not tend to be aggressive although it has been dialed up. Bills have some players who can be aggressive who are good at blitzing. My preference would be an outside candidate and I advocated a senior defense assistant last year without experience with working with Coach McD to serve as counterpoint but that never occurred. I have heard Mike Pettine being suggested by media who is assistant HC for Vikings but not any position coach but I doubt he would want to come back but he might with a different front office.. If you really think Frazier is coming back, then this is a problem. I think he got tired of being passed over for HC jobs and was just heartsick. But he's at an age where retirement feels really good, and where HC job offers aren't flooding his inbox. A good DC who wants to grab the job and keep it could keep Frazier retired. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted March 23, 2023 Author Share Posted March 23, 2023 Just now, Utah John said: If you really think Frazier is coming back, then this is a problem. I think he got tired of being passed over for HC jobs and was just heartsick. But he's at an age where retirement feels really good, and where HC job offers aren't flooding his inbox. A good DC who wants to grab the job and keep it could keep Frazier retired. I doubt they would keep him retired, Bills would move him to front office and let him do evaluations or some other job since his salary is guaranteed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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