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Lil dirty update - McKenzie released


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6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said:

 

I like him as a person and had high hopes he could made the transition to a good WR.

The evidence is "he is who he is".  That's not bad but the team probably needs better.

 

Good chance he goes to camp if he isn't cut by tomorrow.  He'll have his chance again to compete.

I'm just not sure there is a place for him this season.

 

Reasonable take.  What you doin' on this board?  :devil:

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Just now, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Gabe and Knox drop the ball more.  Yet McKittrick gets like 10x the hate.  Still don't get it.


There is plenty of hate for them too… 

 

I like McKittrick as a “character” on the team … but he had an opportunity last year and didn’t do much with it… Im ready to move on to the next guy…

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26 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

Gabe and Knox drop the ball more.  Yet McKittrick gets like 10x the hate.  Still don't get it.

McDonald was replacing sure handed Beasley. Toss in he sometimes fumbles which not a good thing. I don't see a good reason to keep him with Hartley around and use his $2 million cap figure to help add depth at TE or LB or OT.

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8 hours ago, Back2Buff said:

It would be really bad asset management to have Harty, Hines, and McKenzie on one team.  Beane is terrible at asset management so I wouldnt be shocked to see all three on team taking up over 10 million in cap space.

 

Hines is an RB - one of only two on the team right now.  He was also the primary KR and PR last season

 

Harty could return kicks and punts, but all the incentives in his contract are about receptions, which leads me to believe the intent is to use him primarily as a WR.

Last season, it was thought to be reasonable to have McKenzie and Crowder both on the roster, filling somewhat different roles.

So maybe - they will both be on the roster, not because "Beane is terrible at asset management" but because they are seen as filling different roles.

 

As a basis in fact, they take up just under $10M in cap space.  If you cut McKenzie, you save a whole $1.75 - $2.2M.  That might happen, but the cost to take him into camp is pretty low - $350k - so I don't know why one wouldn't do that and move on, if they're going to, AFTER they see for sure what Harty gives them.

 

Having two guys who can return kicks and punts on the team, and two guys who can fill the small speedy WR role, and have them just be 3 guys instead of 4 could be seen as "good asset management".

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28 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

Hines is an RB - one of only two on the team right now.  He was also the primary KR and PR last season

 

Harty could return kicks and punts, but all the incentives in his contract are about receptions, which leads me to believe the intent is to use him primarily as a WR.

Last season, it was thought to be reasonable to have McKenzie and Crowder both on the roster, filling somewhat different roles.

So maybe - they will both be on the roster, not because "Beane is terrible at asset management" but because they are seen as filling different roles.

 

As a basis in fact, they take up just under $10M in cap space.  If you cut McKenzie, you save a whole $1.75 - $2.2M.  That might happen, but the cost to take him into camp is pretty low - $350k - so I don't know why one wouldn't do that and move on, if they're going to, AFTER they see for sure what Harty gives them.

 

Having two guys who can return kicks and punts on the team, and two guys who can fill the small speedy WR role, and have them just be 3 guys instead of 4 could be seen as "good asset management".

They gave Harty $5M guaranteed at signing so they should have a good idea what he gives them right now.  Regarding McKenzie, he just drops the ball too much.  He isn't reliable enough for a guy who they thought could play slot WR.  He's small and so is Harty and I think that's one too many.  Beane was asked about McKenzie today at his presser.  It didn't sound very reassuring for McKenzie.

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2 hours ago, SectionC3 said:

 

Maybe it's the drops.  Or the fumbles.  Or the boneheaded plays.  

 

McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season.  Gabe and Knox had more drops.  McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24.  Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail.  I still don't get the hate.

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1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season.  Gabe and Knox had more drops.  McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24.  Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail.  I still don't get the hate.

Pretty sure people are mostly referring to the fumbles on returns.

 

Although last year there was that backwards pass Josh threw to McKenzie, who wasn't ready and dropped it, and got returned by the other team. I think that technically gets counted as a Josh fumble.

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4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said:

I wonder if McKenzie has some late round trade value. Cheap contract, a lot of game film, can punt return(tho not great), good gadget player. Wonder if we could snipe a 6th or 7th for him 

 

Beane got a 3rd for Tyrod and a 5th for Ford. He'd be even money to get a pick for Isaiah IMO.

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3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season.  Gabe and Knox had more drops.  McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24.  Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail.  I still don't get the hate.

 

It's the lack of production, the lack of getting open, and there were some mistakes (like a poster listed above) that caused him to end up in the doghouse and be a healthy scratch in our last game and a couple other times down the stretch.

 

If McKenzie was performing well, we would have never brought Cole Beasley back and given him reps that should have went to McKenzie.

 

It isn't "hate" so much as it's a business. We just signed Deonte Hardy who the team views as an upgrade and Khalil Shakir is ready to step up. Those two aren't going anywhere and there's no need to have 3 Slot WR's on one team.

 

Combine that with the fact that McKenzie would clear 2.5 million on the salary cap and it's really a no brainier.

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3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said:

 

McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season.  Gabe and Knox had more drops.  McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24.  Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail.  I still don't get the hate.


How much interest he garners when released will finally give us all the answer we seek. I never liked his game, but he was a factor at times. Expiration date is here. 

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2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said:


How much interest he garners when released will finally give us all the answer we seek. I never liked his game, but he was a factor at times. Expiration date is here. 

 

There wasn't any real interest last offseason coming off a much better year, including that miracle game he had against the Patriots. 

 

I'm sure he'll get a gig to compete with somebody in Training Camp somewhere. But I'd be shocked if he garnered much interest.

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Just now, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

There wasn't any real interest last offseason coming off a much better year, including that miracle game he had against the Patriots. 

 

I'm sure he'll get a gig to compete with somebody in Training Camp somewhere. But I'd be shocked if he garnered much interest.


That is always telling to me. When we release a guy some fans truly value and fall in love with and it’s crickets on the open market. That’s the cold hard truth right there. 

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6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

It's the lack of production, the lack of getting open, and there were some mistakes (like a poster listed above) that caused him to end up in the doghouse and be a healthy scratch in our last game and a couple other times down the stretch.

 

If McKenzie was performing well, we would have never brought Cole Beasley back and given him reps that should have went to McKenzie.

 

It isn't "hate" so much as it's a business. We just signed Deonte Hardy who the team views as an upgrade and Khalil Shakir is ready to step up. Those two aren't going anywhere and there's no need to have 3 Slot WR's on one team.

 

Combine that with the fact that McKenzie would clear 2.5 million on the salary cap and it's really a no brainier.

This.  He seems like a really nice guy.  There’s no hate here for him, or for any other human here.  It’s just that he’s prone to mistakes.  The Indy fumble, not getting OB in Miami, the drops late in the season this year (as a STH, I can tell you the body language from some of the other receivers was bad following a couple of his drops, which might not have been caught on TV).  He’s just not a serious guy, and he’s been great to have here and I wish him well but it’s time to get a little tougher and sharper all around and his mistaken-prone play probably should not be part of the program moving forward. 

5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said:


That is always telling to me. When we release a guy some fans truly value and fall in love with and it’s crickets on the open market. That’s the cold hard truth right there. 

 

Same thing with Singletary.  Great teammate.  Great dude.  Probably could have benefitted from better blocking.  But not much of a market for this guy.   I think McKenzie probably sees the same thing if he hits the market.  Best bet for McKenzie might be to negotiate away the bonus so that he has a shot to stick based on his camp. 

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12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

"Too much duplicate" is exactly what I was thinking. There's absolutely no need to have 3 slot WR's. To me, it's obvious. Cut McKenzie and save 2.5 million. We need all the help we can get right now and Harty/Shakir have that position covered.

 

If history is any predictor then Harty will be in the rehab room, so hopefully Shakir has it covered.

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12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

"Too much duplicate" is exactly what I was thinking. There's absolutely no need to have 3 slot WR's. To me, it's obvious. Cut McKenzie and save 2.5 million. We need all the help we can get right now and Harty/Shakir have that position covered.

Yea when Beane said that I didn’t feel like it was a great endorsement for McKenzie

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

If history is any predictor then Harty will be in the rehab room, so hopefully Shakir has it covered.

I’ll give you $10 to say something positive about this team lol

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Loved him as a person and locker room guy and will always remember that Patriots game.

 

A few unforgivable dropped passes, a few unforgivable dropped returns, and just not enough of a consistent impact.

 

We're all rooting for him and hoping for the best, but this move made a lot of sense. 

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