Freddie's Dead Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 6 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I like him as a person and had high hopes he could made the transition to a good WR. The evidence is "he is who he is". That's not bad but the team probably needs better. Good chance he goes to camp if he isn't cut by tomorrow. He'll have his chance again to compete. I'm just not sure there is a place for him this season. Reasonable take. What you doin' on this board? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 (edited) 26 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: The McKittrick hate runs deep at TBD. I'll never understand why. He drops the ball too much... he's decent as a WR5. I was hoping he'd rack up 800 yards from the slot Edited March 16, 2023 by Warriorspikes51 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Warriorspikes51 said: He drops the ball too much Gabe and Knox drop the ball more. Yet McKittrick gets like 10x the hate. Still don't get it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorquemada Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 11 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: I like him as a person and you know him as a person? cool! i kind of knew Carwell Gardner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Just now, Freddie's Dead said: Gabe and Knox drop the ball more. Yet McKittrick gets like 10x the hate. Still don't get it. There is plenty of hate for them too… I like McKittrick as a “character” on the team … but he had an opportunity last year and didn’t do much with it… Im ready to move on to the next guy… Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 26 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Gabe and Knox drop the ball more. Yet McKittrick gets like 10x the hate. Still don't get it. McDonald was replacing sure handed Beasley. Toss in he sometimes fumbles which not a good thing. I don't see a good reason to keep him with Hartley around and use his $2 million cap figure to help add depth at TE or LB or OT. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estro Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 Listening to Beanes presser it's pretty obvious McKenzie will be cut in the next 48 hours. Joe B asked the ? And he didn't out right say it but reading between the lines.....it sounded like he's a goner 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 16, 2023 Share Posted March 16, 2023 8 hours ago, Back2Buff said: It would be really bad asset management to have Harty, Hines, and McKenzie on one team. Beane is terrible at asset management so I wouldnt be shocked to see all three on team taking up over 10 million in cap space. Hines is an RB - one of only two on the team right now. He was also the primary KR and PR last season Harty could return kicks and punts, but all the incentives in his contract are about receptions, which leads me to believe the intent is to use him primarily as a WR. Last season, it was thought to be reasonable to have McKenzie and Crowder both on the roster, filling somewhat different roles. So maybe - they will both be on the roster, not because "Beane is terrible at asset management" but because they are seen as filling different roles. As a basis in fact, they take up just under $10M in cap space. If you cut McKenzie, you save a whole $1.75 - $2.2M. That might happen, but the cost to take him into camp is pretty low - $350k - so I don't know why one wouldn't do that and move on, if they're going to, AFTER they see for sure what Harty gives them. Having two guys who can return kicks and punts on the team, and two guys who can fill the small speedy WR role, and have them just be 3 guys instead of 4 could be seen as "good asset management". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCbillsfan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 28 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Hines is an RB - one of only two on the team right now. He was also the primary KR and PR last season Harty could return kicks and punts, but all the incentives in his contract are about receptions, which leads me to believe the intent is to use him primarily as a WR. Last season, it was thought to be reasonable to have McKenzie and Crowder both on the roster, filling somewhat different roles. So maybe - they will both be on the roster, not because "Beane is terrible at asset management" but because they are seen as filling different roles. As a basis in fact, they take up just under $10M in cap space. If you cut McKenzie, you save a whole $1.75 - $2.2M. That might happen, but the cost to take him into camp is pretty low - $350k - so I don't know why one wouldn't do that and move on, if they're going to, AFTER they see for sure what Harty gives them. Having two guys who can return kicks and punts on the team, and two guys who can fill the small speedy WR role, and have them just be 3 guys instead of 4 could be seen as "good asset management". They gave Harty $5M guaranteed at signing so they should have a good idea what he gives them right now. Regarding McKenzie, he just drops the ball too much. He isn't reliable enough for a guy who they thought could play slot WR. He's small and so is Harty and I think that's one too many. Beane was asked about McKenzie today at his presser. It didn't sound very reassuring for McKenzie. Edited March 17, 2023 by DCbillsfan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 "Too much duplicate" is exactly what I was thinking. There's absolutely no need to have 3 slot WR's. To me, it's obvious. Cut McKenzie and save 2.5 million. We need all the help we can get right now and Harty/Shakir have that position covered. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Diggs ????? 1st rnd pick / UFA / Trade Davis Harty Shakir Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 7 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: The McKittrick hate runs deep at TBD. I'll never understand why. Maybe it's the drops. Or the fumbles. Or the boneheaded plays. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gonzo1105 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I wonder if McKenzie has some late round trade value. Cheap contract, a lot of game film, can punt return(tho not great), good gadget player. Wonder if we could snipe a 6th or 7th for him Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 minutes ago, SectionC3 said: Maybe it's the drops. Or the fumbles. Or the boneheaded plays. I am not sure why anyone would be unsure of the doubt of McKenzie. He has screwed up a lot of plays He’s also made a lot of plays Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Chandler's Hands Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 23 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said: I wonder if McKenzie has some late round trade value. Cheap contract, a lot of game film, can punt return(tho not great), good gadget player. Wonder if we could snipe a 6th or 7th for him I'd be shocked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aussie Joe Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, gonzo1105 said: I wonder if McKenzie has some late round trade value. Cheap contract, a lot of game film, can punt return(tho not great), good gadget player. Wonder if we could snipe a 6th or 7th for him Nah..cant see it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 2 hours ago, SectionC3 said: Maybe it's the drops. Or the fumbles. Or the boneheaded plays. McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season. Gabe and Knox had more drops. McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24. Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail. I still don't get the hate. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LeGOATski Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 1 hour ago, Freddie's Dead said: McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season. Gabe and Knox had more drops. McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24. Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail. I still don't get the hate. Pretty sure people are mostly referring to the fumbles on returns. Although last year there was that backwards pass Josh threw to McKenzie, who wasn't ready and dropped it, and got returned by the other team. I think that technically gets counted as a Josh fumble. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SydneyBillsFan Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 4 hours ago, gonzo1105 said: I wonder if McKenzie has some late round trade value. Cheap contract, a lot of game film, can punt return(tho not great), good gadget player. Wonder if we could snipe a 6th or 7th for him Beane got a 3rd for Tyrod and a 5th for Ford. He'd be even money to get a pick for Isaiah IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 He’s gone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season. Gabe and Knox had more drops. McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24. Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail. I still don't get the hate. It's the lack of production, the lack of getting open, and there were some mistakes (like a poster listed above) that caused him to end up in the doghouse and be a healthy scratch in our last game and a couple other times down the stretch. If McKenzie was performing well, we would have never brought Cole Beasley back and given him reps that should have went to McKenzie. It isn't "hate" so much as it's a business. We just signed Deonte Hardy who the team views as an upgrade and Khalil Shakir is ready to step up. Those two aren't going anywhere and there's no need to have 3 Slot WR's on one team. Combine that with the fact that McKenzie would clear 2.5 million on the salary cap and it's really a no brainier. Edited March 17, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 3 hours ago, Freddie's Dead said: McKenzie had 0 fumbles last season. Gabe and Knox had more drops. McKenzie had 30 first downs, Gabe 35, and Knox 24. Yet somehow, TBD wants to run him out of town on a rail. I still don't get the hate. How much interest he garners when released will finally give us all the answer we seek. I never liked his game, but he was a factor at times. Expiration date is here. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsFanForever19 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 (edited) 2 minutes ago, MrEpsYtown said: How much interest he garners when released will finally give us all the answer we seek. I never liked his game, but he was a factor at times. Expiration date is here. There wasn't any real interest last offseason coming off a much better year, including that miracle game he had against the Patriots. I'm sure he'll get a gig to compete with somebody in Training Camp somewhere. But I'd be shocked if he garnered much interest. Edited March 17, 2023 by BillsFanForever19 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Just now, BillsFanForever19 said: There wasn't any real interest last offseason coming off a much better year, including that miracle game he had against the Patriots. I'm sure he'll get a gig to compete with somebody in Training Camp somewhere. But I'd be shocked if he garnered much interest. That is always telling to me. When we release a guy some fans truly value and fall in love with and it’s crickets on the open market. That’s the cold hard truth right there. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SectionC3 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 6 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: It's the lack of production, the lack of getting open, and there were some mistakes (like a poster listed above) that caused him to end up in the doghouse and be a healthy scratch in our last game and a couple other times down the stretch. If McKenzie was performing well, we would have never brought Cole Beasley back and given him reps that should have went to McKenzie. It isn't "hate" so much as it's a business. We just signed Deonte Hardy who the team views as an upgrade and Khalil Shakir is ready to step up. Those two aren't going anywhere and there's no need to have 3 Slot WR's on one team. Combine that with the fact that McKenzie would clear 2.5 million on the salary cap and it's really a no brainier. This. He seems like a really nice guy. There’s no hate here for him, or for any other human here. It’s just that he’s prone to mistakes. The Indy fumble, not getting OB in Miami, the drops late in the season this year (as a STH, I can tell you the body language from some of the other receivers was bad following a couple of his drops, which might not have been caught on TV). He’s just not a serious guy, and he’s been great to have here and I wish him well but it’s time to get a little tougher and sharper all around and his mistaken-prone play probably should not be part of the program moving forward. 5 hours ago, MrEpsYtown said: That is always telling to me. When we release a guy some fans truly value and fall in love with and it’s crickets on the open market. That’s the cold hard truth right there. Same thing with Singletary. Great teammate. Great dude. Probably could have benefitted from better blocking. But not much of a market for this guy. I think McKenzie probably sees the same thing if he hits the market. Best bet for McKenzie might be to negotiate away the bonus so that he has a shot to stick based on his camp. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Waiting for him to cut you prior to your bonus being due today and saving almost $3 million on the cap... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Einstein Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: "Too much duplicate" is exactly what I was thinking. There's absolutely no need to have 3 slot WR's. To me, it's obvious. Cut McKenzie and save 2.5 million. We need all the help we can get right now and Harty/Shakir have that position covered. If history is any predictor then Harty will be in the rehab room, so hopefully Shakir has it covered. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 12 hours ago, BillsFanForever19 said: "Too much duplicate" is exactly what I was thinking. There's absolutely no need to have 3 slot WR's. To me, it's obvious. Cut McKenzie and save 2.5 million. We need all the help we can get right now and Harty/Shakir have that position covered. Yea when Beane said that I didn’t feel like it was a great endorsement for McKenzie 1 minute ago, Einstein said: If history is any predictor then Harty will be in the rehab room, so hopefully Shakir has it covered. I’ll give you $10 to say something positive about this team lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
0017 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 McKenzie and a 5th for Hopkins? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 20 minutes ago, 0017 said: McKenzie and a 5th for Hopkins? Larceny. Like when NE got Moss from the Raiders Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dma0034 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 And he's been released Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Gunsgoodtime Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 The world is waiting BBB! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warriorspikes51 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 so, was he asking for his release with that tweet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QCity Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 BBB lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steptide Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Not surprised, but I think as bills fans we'll always have a special place for him in our hearts 2 11 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Miyagi-Do Karate Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 I bet he makes it back onto our roster at some point next year. One thing I have learned is you never count McKenzie out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigduke6 Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 guess the drops added up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 He was good in his initial role, when we paid him more to expand his role and he failed it only made sense to cut him. I wish him good luck if he continues as a NFL player or as a restaurant owner as he seems like a great guy and teammate. 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rigotz Posted March 17, 2023 Share Posted March 17, 2023 Loved him as a person and locker room guy and will always remember that Patriots game. A few unforgivable dropped passes, a few unforgivable dropped returns, and just not enough of a consistent impact. We're all rooting for him and hoping for the best, but this move made a lot of sense. 3 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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