Lil dirty update - McKenzie released

[msw2112]

I haven't seen much out of Jeudy at Denver, but playing opposite Diggs, with Allen as his QB, could really help Jeudy unleash the talent he showed in college at Bama.  I'd give some serious thought to trading one of the Bills' higher picks for Jeudy, if Denver is shopping him.

[Solomon Grundy]

BBQ sauce is sticky😎

[Reed83HOF]

5 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

I’d happily give up #27 for Jeudy. This draft does not have a lot of high end talent and you aren’t getting a WR of Jeudy’s caliber at 27 anyway and its been reported Denver is shopping him around. Seems like it’s just a a matter of forking over the right compensation.

 

 

 

[JaCrispy]

1 minute ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

Says his agent..😉

[BillsShredder83]

6 hours ago, whorlnut said:

I disagree. Lots of Diggs comps to jordan Addison. If you could get him at 27, would anyone be upset?  How about Steve smith comps to Zay flowers?  That would also be a good problem to have…

Would be head over freakin heals for Addison, its just sooooooooooo hard to picture him being there.  Without combing the top 20 teams and seeing who needs receiver (doesnt everyone though?) I can not envision a scenario where he goes past 17ish, and a top 10 wouldnt shock me either. 

 

WR has become arguably the #3 premium position due to the crazy attempts/gm qb's are throwing, and the market being at an all time high.  Ive seen some tweets indicating the WR market has come back to earth, but im not willing to believe that based only on Juju and Meyers deals

[Reed83HOF]

1 hour ago, JaCrispy said:

Says his agent..😉

If Ben retweets or says something, he is on point. I have no clue how well connected he is....

[NewEra]

7 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

OBJ/Hopkins/Jeudy…. The draft is so underwhelming at WR that I’d be somewhat disappointed if they went into the season with:

 

1. Diggs

2. Davis

3. Draft pick

4. Harris

5. Shakir 

 

That may sound a little over the top to say, but I really think they need a playmaker at or just below Diggs level opposite him and that ain’t coming from this draft at #27 IMO.

It’s over the top-  we aren’t making the cap

room for hopkins or Obj-  maybe jeudy— 

 

you want a splash and won’t be content until Beane goes completely all in (that’s what a hopkins trade would be unless he took a major pay cut). He’s already moved a lot of money down the road and will continue to do so year after year.  But I doubt you’ll ever see him cripple his ability to move money around.  A hopkins trade would likely do just that. 
 

obj is smoking crack-  he might deserve 7M per year on a one year deal. 
 

jeudy- makes sense- but you can’t say the offseason is a failure because a GM fails to acquire the one guy that would fit your criteria.  It’s a poor WR class- it’s bad luck- but possibly compromising the future to fill a need is a mistake imo.  
 

I think a 2nd rd WR + Harty as the main additions at WR is solid considering what was available and what we paid for them without compromising the future.  Sure adding jeudy would be great, but a 2nd round WR could be similarly productive- let’s not act like Jeudy has been a star.  

7 hours ago, whorlnut said:

I disagree. Lots of Diggs comps to jordan Addison. If you could get him at 27, would anyone be upset?  How about Steve smith comps to Zay flowers?  That would also be a good problem to have…

Addison 💯 

Flowers- not 💯 but would be on board if he’s the pick.  

[Solomon Grundy]

1 hour ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

I'd rather have Sutton

[TheBeaneBandit]

38 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s over the top-  we aren’t making the cap

room for hopkins or Obj-  maybe jeudy— 

 

you want a splash and won’t be content until Beane goes completely all in (that’s what a hopkins trade would be unless he took a major pay cut). He’s already moved a lot of money down the road and will continue to do so year after year.  But I doubt you’ll ever see him cripple his ability to move money around.  A hopkins trade would likely do just that. 
 

obj is smoking crack-  he might deserve 7M per year on a one year deal. 
 

jeudy- makes sense- but you can’t say the offseason is a failure because a GM fails to acquire the one guy that would fit your criteria.  It’s a poor WR class- it’s bad luck- but possibly compromising the future to fill a need is a mistake imo.  
 

I think a 2nd rd WR + Harty as the main additions at WR is solid considering what was available and what we paid for them without compromising the future.  Sure adding jeudy would be great, but a 2nd round WR could be similarly productive- let’s not act like Jeudy has been a star.  

Addison 💯 

Flowers- not 💯 but would be on board if he’s the pick.  

Well all I know is wake me up when Diggs makes his mark in the playoffs. Yeah, that's what I thought.  A bold move is absolutely needed.

[SCBills]

51 minutes ago, NewEra said:

It’s over the top-  we aren’t making the cap

room for hopkins or Obj-  maybe jeudy— 

 

you want a splash and won’t be content until Beane goes completely all in (that’s what a hopkins trade would be unless he took a major pay cut). He’s already moved a lot of money down the road and will continue to do so year after year.  But I doubt you’ll ever see him cripple his ability to move money around.  A hopkins trade would likely do just that. 
 

obj is smoking crack-  he might deserve 7M per year on a one year deal. 
 

jeudy- makes sense- but you can’t say the offseason is a failure because a GM fails to acquire the one guy that would fit your criteria.  It’s a poor WR class- it’s bad luck- but possibly compromising the future to fill a need is a mistake imo.  
 

I think a 2nd rd WR + Harty as the main additions at WR is solid considering what was available and what we paid for them without compromising the future.  Sure adding jeudy would be great, but a 2nd round WR could be similarly productive- let’s not act like Jeudy has been a star.  

Addison 💯 

Flowers- not 💯 but would be on board if he’s the pick.  

It’s about making sure Josh Allen has an offense around him that is commensurate to Burrow and Mahomes. 
 

Right now, he doesn’t.  Plain and simple.
 

Mahomes, as of today, has a good OL, Kelce and then 3 WR2/3 types in MVS, Moore and Toney.
 

Burrow has a solid OL, Chase, Higgins and Boyd.
 

We hope McGovern can help elevate the level of the OL to solid.  It was bad last year.  Knox is good, Diggs is elite.. and then we have a WR2/3 in Davis and some potential in Shakir & Harty. 
 

If we go into the draft, as is, we’re.. once again.. hoping a WR falls to us.  How did that work out last year?  27 is a long time to wait.  
 

Edited March 15, 2023 by SCBills

[NickelCity]

Jeudy or Sutton and a top IOL in Rd1 would suit me fine. 

[Malazan]

8 hours ago, ScottLaw said:

OBJ/Hopkins/Jeudy…. The draft is so underwhelming at WR that I’d be somewhat disappointed if they went into the season with:

 

1. Diggs

2. Davis

3. Draft pick

4. Harris

5. Shakir 

 

That may sound a little over the top to say, but I really think they need a playmaker at or just below Diggs level opposite him and that ain’t coming from this draft at #27 IMO.

 

..at or just below Diggs level.. yea, why don't they have two top 10 WRs?!

 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, NickelCity said:

Jeudy or Sutton and a top IOL in Rd1 would suit me fine. 

Not sure top iol in rd1 lines up well with Kromers type of IOL players...

[4merper4mer]

5 hours ago, msw2112 said:

I haven't seen much out of Jeudy at Denver, but playing opposite Diggs, with Allen as his QB, could really help Jeudy unleash the talent he showed in college at Bama.  I'd give some serious thought to trading one of the Bills' higher picks for Jeudy, if Denver is shopping him.

You haven’t seen much of Jeudy because he is the new Jamison Crowder.  Out for the season week 2 every year.

[BillsFan2313]

3 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

You haven’t seen much of Jeudy because he is the new Jamison Crowder.  Out for the season week 2 every year.

 

16, 10, 15 Games played each year. What am I missing

[4merper4mer]

Just now, BillsFan2313 said:

 

16, 10, 15 Games played each year. What am I missing

Production

 

And the slow post injury ramp ups.

[jlgarsh]

Can’t blame Jeudy much with the QBs he’s had those 3 years.

[Solomon Grundy]

2 hours ago, Reed83HOF said:

 

 

 

Why would Payton get rid of Wilson's top 2 WRs? 

[Reed83HOF]

1 minute ago, Solomon Grundy said:

Why would Payton get rid of Wilson's top 2 WRs? 

 

 

[NewEra]

1 hour ago, SCBills said:

It’s about making sure Josh Allen has an offense around him that is commensurate to Burrow and Mahomes. 
 

Right now, he doesn’t.  Plain and simple.
 

Mahomes, as of today, has a good OL, Kelce and then 3 WR2/3 types in MVS, Moore and Toney.
 

Burrow has a solid OL, Chase, Higgins and Boyd.
 

We hope McGovern can help elevate the level of the OL to solid.  It was bad last year.  Knox is good, Diggs is elite.. and then we have a WR2/3 in Davis and some potential in Shakir & Harty. 
 

If we go into the draft, as is, we’re.. once again.. hoping a WR falls to us.  How did that work out last year?  27 is a long time to wait.  
 

No.  It’s about winning the Super Bowl.  That can be done many ways when constructing a roster.  The best roster offense doesn’t always win the Super Bowl. That’s not how it works every year.  Coaching, defense, injuries, refs, STs.  Lots goes into it.  We’ll NEVER be able to give Josh was Mahomes has until Reid is out the door.  
 

trading away all of our future assets in order to have a better offensive roster than  KC and Cinci is reckless.  

you act like trading up for a WR will automatically give us a better offense than Cinci and KC. 
 

Some see it the opposite.  That trading down and accumulating more picks give us more weapons and OL.  Trading up would only subtract a potential starter giving Josh less.

we can improve our offense in a multitude of ways-  not just the way you feel is best

13 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

Yea… if that’s the case then they shouldn’t have resigned Poyer… I’ve said I think adding a 1B reciever opposite Diggs is the most important piece to the offseason. It’s early obviously, but I still think it’s what they need to get over the top. 

Trading for hopkins isn’t the same amount of money as trading for Hopkins bro. 
 

so because we can’t trade for Poyer, we can’t spend money on d.  
 

that makes no sense

[NewEra]

11 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I think you mean trading for Jeudy isn’t the same as trading for Hopkins… yea, I’m aware. 
 

Jeudy makes a lot more sense…. And OBJ make sense as well… Not of fan of resigning Poyer if it means we can’t afford a 1B reciever opposite Diggs…. Would be just more of the same IMO. 

The WR might just have to be WR2.  The chiefs didn’t have a WR1b they had a handful of solid WRs and Kelce- I think we can win with a handful of solid WRs and Diggs.  
 

What matters much more than getting a 1b compared to a 2 is Ken Dorsey making good progress as an OC, Spencer Brown + Bates+ McGovern improving and staying healthy.  
 

 

[SCBills]

15 minutes ago, NewEra said:

The WR might just have to be WR2.  The chiefs didn’t have a WR1b they had a handful of solid WRs and Kelce- I think we can win with a handful of solid WRs and Diggs.  
 

What matters much more than getting a 1b compared to a 2 is Ken Dorsey making good progress as an OC, Spencer Brown + Bates+ McGovern improving and staying healthy.  
 

 

Your bolded statement could be correct, but it’s full of contingencies … “if” this and this and this happens. 
 

We want them to be proactive in finding solutions. 
 

I think most GM’s would take Kelce, MVS, Hardman, Juju, Toney & Moore over what we provided Allen with last year.. that doesn’t even factor in the vast OL difference.  

Edited March 16, 2023 by SCBills

[NewEra]

Just now, SCBills said:

Your bolded statement could be correct, but it’s full of contingencies … “if” this and this and this happens. 
 

We want them to be proactive in finding solutions. 
 

I think most GM’s would take Kelce, MVS, Toney, Juju, Toney & Moore over what we provided Allen with last year.. that doesn’t even factor in the vast OL difference.  

And your only play, getting a 1B, is also an if…. It’ll be worth it IF we win the Super Bowl. And that still wouldn’t prove that we couldn’t have won without a 1b.  Mahomes did.  I feel we can.  
 

More so, even if we get a 1b, we’ll still need a combination of the same “ifs” to occur to win.  If Dorsey sucks, we’re in trouble.  If the OL sucks- 1b isn’t likely to change things that drastically imo.  If both Dorsey and the OL suck (again) we’re screwed no matter regardless of 1b

[TheBeaneBandit]

1 hour ago, NewEra said:

The WR might just have to be WR2.  The chiefs didn’t have a WR1b they had a handful of solid WRs and Kelce- I think we can win with a handful of solid WRs and Diggs.  
 

What matters much more than getting a 1b compared to a 2 is Ken Dorsey making good progress as an OC, Spencer Brown + Bates+ McGovern improving and staying healthy.  
 

 

Still need another alpha type receiver. Diggs is too easily taken out of big games and the supporting cast just isn't strong enough.

[BillsFanForever19]

According to Spotrac - he has a $300,000 roster bonus due on 3/17. They could save $2.5 million by releasing him. So I'd imagine if he isn't released today, he'll probably be here. Gotta imagine that's what he means by "clock is ticking".

 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/buffalo-bills/isaiah-mckenzie-21914/

[loyal2dagame]

8 hours ago, NewEra said:

The WR might just have to be WR2.  The chiefs didn’t have a WR1b they had a handful of solid WRs and Kelce- I think we can win with a handful of solid WRs and Diggs.    
 

 

I disagree here. Kelce always gets open.  He makes big plays.  That is why KC can run with no "WR1b and a handful of solid WRs". Kelce fills the role of  WR1 or WR1b.

The Bills do not get anywhere near the level of play from their TEs to come close to Kelce. I'm not knocking Knox as i think he has developed into a good player,  but he isn't near Kelce's level. 

The Bills have had Diggs and a "handful of solid WRs" during Diggs time here, and we haven't got to the promised land yet.

[LyndonvilleBill]

2 hours ago, loyal2dagame said:

I disagree here. Kelce always gets open.  He makes big plays.  That is why KC can run with no "WR1b and a handful of solid WRs". Kelce fills the role of  WR1 or WR1b.

The Bills do not get anywhere near the level of play from their TEs to come close to Kelce. I'm not knocking Knox as i think he has developed into a good player,  but he isn't near Kelce's level. 

The Bills have had Diggs and a "handful of solid WRs" during Diggs time here, and we haven't got to the promised land yet.

Can't get to a Kelce level when you have to help block all the time.😉

[LABILLBACKER]

13 hours ago, 4merper4mer said:

You haven’t seen much of Jeudy because he is the new Jamison Crowder.  Out for the season week 2 every year.

Yeah I'm not interested in Jeudy. Especially for a 1st or 2nd. 

[4merper4mer]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah I'm not interested in Jeudy. Especially for a 1st or 2nd. 

I can get behind a lower pick because of his past profile and the lowered risk.  Let’s face it, these highly touted Bama receivers…..and players in general….sometimes hit but most of them bust and Jeudy looks more like a bust at this point…..I wouldn’t say it is 100% decided yet.   I guess I’d actually prefer him to Beckham due to cost and Hopkins due to him being toast but Waller went for a third, Gilmore for a 5th.  Because some people get hyperactive on a message board, he is supposedly worth a first?  Shirley

[BigAl2526]

I agree with those who think McKenzie's time with the team is probably coming to an end.  He had a great opportunity to make a statement in the 2022 season, and what he said in his statement was, "I'm not good enough."

[SCBills]

1 hour ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Yeah I'm not interested in Jeudy. Especially for a 1st or 2nd. 

 

I'd be interested to know if they've gotten any bites for a 1st.  

 

Ours being late 1st at 27 makes me definitely open to it.   I'd much rather give up a 2nd and a Day 3 pick though.

[Back2Buff]

It would be really bad asset management to have Harty, Hines, and McKenzie on one team.  Beane is terrible at asset management so I wouldnt be shocked to see all three on team taking up over 10 million in cap space.

[SCBills]

7 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

It would be really bad asset management to have Harty, Hines, and McKenzie on one team.  Beane is terrible at asset management so I wouldnt be shocked to see all three on team taking up over 10 million in cap space.

 

I'm good with the Harty signing, if it means we're cutting McKenzie.  If we go to camp with all them... yea, no clue what we're doing there.  

[NewEra]

12 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said:

Still need another alpha type receiver. Diggs is too easily taken out of big games and the supporting cast just isn't strong enough.

 

One of the reasons Diggs is easily taken out of the game is the coaching (and maybe Josh) doesn’t take advantage of the double team properly.  All we did was take big shot after big shot.  Meanwhile, the underneath stuff was open and neglected.  We watched KC dink and dunk their way to another Lombardi, while we throw haymakers 50 yards downfield all game.  
 

sure, another alpha WR would help.  And I’ve said that we need to upgrade WR2, but it might have to be a WR2 and not a 1b.  You can’t suck blood from a stone.  This offseason is lacking in WR talent-  especially 1b alpha talent.  

[Einstein's Dog]

30 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

It would be really bad asset management to have Harty, Hines, and McKenzie on one team.  Beane is terrible at asset management so I wouldnt be shocked to see all three on team taking up over 10 million in cap space.

It might happen.  Hines is an RB/Ster and is Cooks backup - so he is not the same. 

 

At slot last year we started with Crowder/McKenzie and rookie Shakir (and needed to later get Beasley).  So this year going with Harty/McKenzie and Shakir doesn't seem outrageous.

 

Actually Harty's versatility seems like it is a plus to asset management - he can be the backup STer (to Hines), replace Crowder and Beas, and take over the Smoke Brown speed element.

[johndhall1]

36 minutes ago, SCBills said:

 

I'm good with the Harty signing, if it means we're cutting McKenzie.  If we go to camp with all them... yea, no clue what we're doing there.  

Going to camp with them is one thing. Roster is 90. Going into the season is another thing.

[Back2Buff]

1 hour ago, Einstein's Dog said:

It might happen.  Hines is an RB/Ster and is Cooks backup - so he is not the same. 

 

At slot last year we started with Crowder/McKenzie and rookie Shakir (and needed to later get Beasley).  So this year going with Harty/McKenzie and Shakir doesn't seem outrageous.

 

Actually Harty's versatility seems like it is a plus to asset management - he can be the backup STer (to Hines), replace Crowder and Beas, and take over the Smoke Brown speed element.

 

Absolutely not.  3 guys under 5'8 should not be considered big pieces of your offense.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

51 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

 

Absolutely not.  3 guys under 5'8 should not be considered big pieces of your offense.

Unless it’s soccer 

[Freddie's Dead]

The McKittrick hate runs deep at TBD.  I'll never understand why.

[ColoradoBills]

11 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said:

The McKittrick hate runs deep at TBD.  I'll never understand why.

 

I like him as a person and had high hopes he could made the transition to a good WR.

The evidence is "he is who he is".  That's not bad but the team probably needs better.

 

Good chance he goes to camp if he isn't cut by tomorrow.  He'll have his chance again to compete.

I'm just not sure there is a place for him this season.