TheBeaneBandit Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 22 minutes ago, I'm Spartacus said: Wouldn't it be funnier if they tried to sign Connor McDavid? Connor McCloud would be the ultimate though! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foreboding Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: We will see how it plays out but right now I feel like its an overpay. Isn't that usually the case with free agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 I think it is safe to say BILLs are a High RAS team 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, thenorthremembers said: We will see how it plays out but right now I feel like its an overpay. That's free agency. You want to sign a starter? You will overpay. Poor players get paid like average players, average players get paid like good players, good players get paid like elite players, etc. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: You're under the assumption that McGovern doesn't want to start or something. He's behind Tyler Smith and Zach Martin on the depth chart at the guard position. McGovern is a free agent and he can choose where he goes. Are you saying the Cowboy's don't want to pay a back up more than $7 million a year means he's average? The guard point is valid but he could certainly compete for Center which is what he was drafted to play. He’s average because of his numbers and contact that he got. Betting on the fact that he’s only 25 is the only thing you can point to that might give you hope that he improves over league average. The light boxes Josh affords his OL will help too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buffalo_Stampede Posted March 13, 2023 Author Share Posted March 13, 2023 5 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: I think it is safe to say BILLs are a High RAS team But can’t run a screen. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 McGovern is a hellified athlete for a guard tho... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CowgirlsFan Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just protect Josh and I'm good No holding penalties either. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWATeam Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 My concern is that we got another finesse guy that lacks power. Yes, it's most important to protect Josh but we really need some people movers. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, Shanahan's Horseshoe said: The guard point is valid but he could certainly compete for Center which is what he was drafted to play. He’s average because of his numbers and contact that he got. Betting on the fact that he’s only 25 is the only thing you can point to that might give you hope that he improves over league average. The light boxes Josh affords his OL will help too TBH, I don't even know who the Cowboys starting C is lol. I think the Cowboys have a lot tied up into their line and needed to let some players of value go. I know this guy isn't All World but it looks to be an immediate upgrade and with his age, maybe there's more growth. I hope he has some tenacity to him....I think we lack that in the trenches on both sides. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nephilim17 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said: I hope he has some tenacity to him....I think we lack that in the trenches on both sides. Tenacity is great but no penalties would be great too. How many drives have stalled or got way harder than they needed to be because of holding? This kid has about one penalty per year. I'll take that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Very likely immediately slots in as the starting RG. Assuming Bates sticks around -- I don't think they're ready to give up on him, though he'll have competition -- having two starting guards with the ability to fill in at center is a nice luxury. With an incredibly athletic offensive line (Dawkins has the lowest RAS at 8.8) and two fast running backs, I sure hope the Bills lean into the pin-pull stuff and attack the edges more than we saw in 2022. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nedboy7 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Like this signing. Can someone explain to me why Spencer Brown is in every starting lineup? Was he not a huge liability? Are we not upgrading the RT spot? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Just now, nedboy7 said: Like this signing. Can someone explain to me why Spencer Brown is in every starting lineup? Was he not a huge liability? Are we not upgrading the RT spot? We won't need to after he has a full healthy off season of training. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, nedboy7 said: Like this signing. Can someone explain to me why Spencer Brown is in every starting lineup? Was he not a huge liability? Are we not upgrading the RT spot? He most likely needs a fully healthy year to see what he is. IMO, Josh Allen can move away from a RT pressure pretty easy. His problem is when the DTs are in his face and the LDE keeps him from flushing out to the right and running up the middle. I haven't given up on Spencer Brown and if the other 4 can give Josh protection he'll be ok. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 hour ago, GETTOTHE50 said: Idk how to feel. Wasn’t the jets oline terrible last year? This is Connor McGovern from the Cowboys, not Connor McGovern from the Jets. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 15 minutes ago, TheBeaneBandit said: We won't need to after he has a full healthy off season of training. You'll see, Brown will end up better than Mike Mcglinchey I guarantee it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mat68 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Now get an OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RG Murdock Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 According to WhoScored and PFF McGovern is a middling pass blocker (Ranked 17th) and a pretty bad run blocker (Rated 31st).. Nothing to get excited about. Meanwhile, Edmonds to the Bears for 4 years $95M.. $50M guaranteed..... I guess too expensive for the Bills? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjd1001 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 how is his footing? Against the Bengals, the entire team, but especially the offensive line looked like they were trying to get footing on ice while they got pushed around. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ControllerOfPlanetX Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Let’s hope he fairs better than George.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 hours ago, TheBeaneBandit said: Average/ slightly above average guard but still with more upside. I like it/don't love it. Saffold a 43 pff. This guy a 52. It may be an upgrade but not a big one. At least he doesn't commit penalties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JerseyBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 For ppl knocking his off grades Check out The Chiefs new T grades 37 in pass pro and 59 in run blocking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 8 minutes ago, RG Murdock said: According to WhoScored and PFF McGovern is a middling pass blocker (Ranked 17th) and a pretty bad run blocker (Rated 31st).. Nothing to get excited about. Meanwhile, Edmonds to the Bears for 4 years $95M.. $50M guaranteed..... I guess too expensive for the Bills? Wow, what a huge overpay. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logic Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Saffold a 43 pff. This guy a 52. It may be an upgrade but not a big one. At least he doesn't commit penalties. We're basing our opinions of players on their PFF grades now? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 4 minutes ago, Logic said: We're basing our opinions of players on their PFF grades now? Some NFL teams base contracts on PFF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LABILLBACKER Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 6 minutes ago, Logic said: We're basing our opinions of players on their PFF grades now? Feel free to give me a more accurate link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mjt328 Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Pretty typical move for Brandon Beane on the O-Line. Average player with some starting experience. Similar to guys like Ty Nsekhe and David Quessenberry, who really never worked out. Hope he's an upgrade on the interior, but don't cross your fingers. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 18 minutes ago, RG Murdock said: According to WhoScored and PFF McGovern is a middling pass blocker (Ranked 17th) and a pretty bad run blocker (Rated 31st).. Nothing to get excited about. Meanwhile, Edmonds to the Bears for 4 years $95M.. $50M guaranteed..... I guess too expensive for the Bills? Those are the financials from what I’ve seen 2 minutes ago, The Jokeman said: Some NFL teams base contracts on PFF. not disagreeing with you, but which teams or do you have a link that supports this? They “base their contract off of pff”? Or they look at the pff numbers and sometimes take them into consideration Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OZBILLS Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 He'll be off the field a lot more since our D is garbage. I like it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 12 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Saffold a 43 pff. This guy a 52. It may be an upgrade but not a big one. At least he doesn't commit penalties. The guy started the season with a bad ankle and was used in multiple positions on an injury riddled Cowboy line last year. I think Bills fans should wait at least until camp to trash him. LOL. His PFF numbers in 2021 were better btw. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MrEpsYtown Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 1 minute ago, mjt328 said: Pretty typical move for Brandon Beane on the O-Line. Average player with some starting experience. Similar to guys like Ty Nsekhe and David Quessenberry, who really never worked out. Hope he's an upgrade on the interior, but don't cross your fingers. Totally different imo. This guy is 25 years old, he is barely a year older than guys like Andrew Vorhees and Cody Mauch and has 4 years of experience under his belt. He started as a freshmen at PSU. The upside is still there. Those other guys were old depth veterans. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BarleyNY Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Correct position, but I don’t know about the specific player and contract. Seems like we could’ve done better at that price. At least his arrow is probably pointing up, unlike Saffold who was done a year before we signed him. Nothing to do now but hope for the best and see what he’s got. 2 minutes ago, ColoradoBills said: The guy started the season with a bad ankle and was used in multiple positions on an injury riddled Cowboy line last year. I think Bills fans should wait at least until camp to trash him. LOL. His PFF numbers in 2021 were better btw. They were, especially the run blocking grades. That all gives me some optimism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ColoradoBills Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 minutes ago, BarleyNY said: Correct position, but I don’t know about the specific player and contract. Seems like we could’ve done better at that price. At least his arrow is probably pointing up, unlike Saffold who was done a year before we signed him. Nothing to do now but hope for the best and see what he’s got. They were, especially the run blocking grades. That all gives me some optimism. We will have to wait to hear Beane speak on him. I for one am not sold on Bates moving to C. He's capable as a backup but I don't think he is a starter. If McGovern has a better shot at the C next year (I think it's Morse's last season) that could be an option. I still think a college RT who can move to RG may be the pick that is smart this year. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 Unbelievable it’s two Conner McGovern’s in the world, let alone in the NFL at the same time and both playing OLine 🤯 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shanahan's Horseshoe Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, JerseyBills said: For ppl knocking his off grades Check out The Chiefs new T grades 37 in pass pro and 59 in run blocking Chiefs track record with OL is about a thousand times better than Beane’s 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bray Wyatt Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 34 minutes ago, RG Murdock said: According to WhoScored and PFF McGovern is a middling pass blocker (Ranked 17th) and a pretty bad run blocker (Rated 31st).. Nothing to get excited about. Meanwhile, Edmonds to the Bears for 4 years $95M.. $50M guaranteed..... I guess too expensive for the Bills? There are 64 starting guards, or is this out of one specific set of guards? Also he played a few spots due to injuries last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob in STL Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 2 hours ago, TheyCallMeAndy said: Dawkins-Bates-Morse-McGovrn-Brown If Brown takes a step with his first healthy offseason, Bills could be much improved from a pass blocking perspective. It’s the run game that needs the most improvement though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KHAN Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 30 minutes ago, Logic said: We're basing our opinions of players on their PFF grades now? Only when it supports their own expert opinion. Otherwise PFF is cr@p. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royale with Cheese Posted March 13, 2023 Share Posted March 13, 2023 23 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said: Feel free to give me a more accurate link. LOL a more accurate subjective link? Why pay a scouting department millions a year when you can just get a PFF link for like $12.99 a month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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