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1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

The best WRs in this draft are slot type guys.

 

Also Berrios is a FA still. Wouldn't mind seeing him in the slot.

Yeah- the current options to compete with Gabe aren’t looking to good.  Johnston and Addison are the only options that would excite me. Flowers and the rest of the WRs capable of playing outside would probably get beat out by Gabe.  
 

the FA WRs- theilen…. I love his hands so I don’t hate the thought….but I really do hate the thought. 
 

juju- can’t stand this dude. He’s an upgrade over gabe 💯- but I’d rather spend the money elsewhere.  

lazard- no thanks- I don’t want to pay him what others are going to pay him.  

slayton-  meh- better get someone better than him.  He’s ok. Just ok. 

chark- could be a threat but I don’t know how involved he would be. 

Hardman-  I’d prefer a non midget- I’m hoping for more. 

marvin jones-   I think he’s the guy we’re going to sign (along with drafting a WR top 2 rounds).  I love the size and catch radius- could be a good value- I wouldn’t want to pay him more than 3-4M max - 

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13 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Why do we always talk this way about defense but not offense?

 

We drafted Bernard in RD3 last year.   Who’s our current slot WR?.. a RD5 rookie last year.   Yet we must pay Wagner or David at the expense of getting Allen another weapon?  

How do ya not think that way. Who have we drafted the past few years that made a big impact year 2. Or year 3 for that matter. After Allen and Edmunds were picked McD stopped letting young players get involved

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11 minutes ago, BRH said:

 

Edmunds leaving is going to change what a whole lot of guys do for our defense, including Milano.

Good point- but I still want Milano on the line playing aggressively.  If Bernard is the other LB, i don’t think that’s happening (with any success)

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1 hour ago, SCBills said:


Or get Allen a legit weapon … not just hope at 27 or Braxton friggin Berrios. 
 

But I guess we can never spend enough on defense. 

The Bills have 6-8 million to work with, after the restructures.

I have not advocated spending another dime on defense.

I've even come around on dealing Ed Oliver for picks and cap space.

It's a Roquan Smith type move that Chicago executed brilliantly.

 

Do you want an over the hill Hopkins, or flaky injury prone OBJ to suck up any remaining cap space?

No other teams are beating down the doors for their services.

 

Maybe we can pick up did nothing Jerry Jeudy, but hey we was a high draft pick

 

Let's blow our load on Henry.

Maybe we can add a third light pass receiving RB in Ekeler with Cook and Hines.

 

This is a re-tool year. The cap is not unlimited. Buffalo made some roster building mistakes in the 5 year window.

This is the reality of the situation. A guy like Berrios could help today and leave room without having to depend on a rookie.

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8 minutes ago, ndirish1978 said:

They both played Nickel LB like 80% of the time

But they’re asked to do different things. I think Bernard and Milano would get rolled vs the run

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Just now, Straight Hucklebuck said:

And yet what are the other options? 

 

There is virtually nothing in FA. 

 

There is Jerry Jeudy for unknown cost. 

 

And every draft analyst comes on and says this isn't a great class for WR. 

 

So is it on Beane to make a trade? 

 

A choice between burning money for no production or standing pat?  I’ll stand pat.

 

There is no need to list other options, if option one is horrible.  

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1 minute ago, RocCityRoller said:

The Bills have 6-8 million to work with, after the restructures.

I have not advocated spending another dime on defense.

I've even come around on dealing Ed Oliver for picks and cap space.

It's a Roquan Smith type move that Chicago executed brilliantly.

 

Do you want an over the hill Hopkins, or flaky injury prone OBJ to suck up any remaining cap space?

No other teams are beating down the doors for their services.

 

Maybe we can pick up did nothing Jerry Jeudy, but hey we was a high draft pick

 

Let's blow our load on Travis Henry.

Maybe we can add a third light pass receiving RB in Ekeler with Cook and Hines.

 

This is a re-tool year. The cap is not unlimited. Buffalo made some roster building mistakes in the 5 year window.

This is the reality of the situation. A guy like Berrios could help today and leave room without having to depend on a rookie.

You could same about Richie James Jr. Who I think has better hands and much cheaper.

 

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6 minutes ago, Roundybout said:


I would take a flyer on him. Elijah what’s his face also might want out

Moore and I would love him here. Dude got murdered by Wilson 

 

I like Lazard and he’s a solid number 2. Not why sure the Jets needed him though and could have spent their money elsewhere.

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8 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

The Bills have 6-8 million to work with, after the restructures.

I have not advocated spending another dime on defense.

I've even come around on dealing Ed Oliver for picks and cap space.

It's a Roquan Smith type move that Chicago executed brilliantly.

 

Do you want an over the hill Hopkins, or flaky injury prone OBJ to suck up any remaining cap space?

No other teams are beating down the doors for their services.

 

Maybe we can pick up did nothing Jerry Jeudy, but hey we was a high draft pick

 

Let's blow our load on Travis Henry.

Maybe we can add a third light pass receiving RB in Ekeler with Cook and Hines.

 

This is a re-tool year. The cap is not unlimited. Buffalo made some roster building mistakes in the 5 year window.

This is the reality of the situation. A guy like Berrios could help today and leave room without having to depend on a rookie.


I love how you find something wrong with every WR, yet get annoyed at the offense-first fan contingent for not wanting to spend more defensive $$$ on old LB’s or a broken down Safety that doesn’t even want to be here anymore. 
 

Yes, I’d much rather spend the money we have left of Hopkins or OBJ (not at 20M) .. or trade for Jerry Jeudy, who oozes potential and has never played with a guy like Josh Allen. 
 

God forbid we take a swing for our franchise QB…

 

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5 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

The Bills have 6-8 million to work with, after the restructures.

I have not advocated spending another dime on defense.

I've even come around on dealing Ed Oliver for picks and cap space.

It's a Roquan Smith type move that Chicago executed brilliantly.

 

Do you want an over the hill Hopkins, or flaky injury prone OBJ to suck up any remaining cap space?

No other teams are beating down the doors for their services.

 

Maybe we can pick up did nothing Jerry Jeudy, but hey we was a high draft pick

 

Let's blow our load on Travis Henry.

Maybe we can add a third light pass receiving RB in Ekeler with Cook and Hines.

 

This is a re-tool year. The cap is not unlimited. Buffalo made some roster building mistakes in the 5 year window.

This is the reality of the situation. A guy like Berrios could help today and leave room without having to depend on a rookie.

I somewhat agree on re-tooling.  This is a tweak year.  Improve OL, and skill on O, get younger on D and adjust philosophy on D to become 

ire aggressive.  As long as we can keep Allen upright we are never out of contention. 

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Just now, SectionC3 said:

I somewhat agree on re-tooling.  This is a tweak year.  Improve OL, and skill on O, get younger on D and adjust philosophy on D to become 

ire aggressive.  As long as we can keep Allen upright we are never out of contention. 

Yup, I call it a mini rebuild year 👍

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7 minutes ago, RocCityRoller said:

The Bills have 6-8 million to work with, after the restructures.

I have not advocated spending another dime on defense.

I've even come around on dealing Ed Oliver for picks and cap space.

It's a Roquan Smith type move that Chicago executed brilliantly.

 

Do you want an over the hill Hopkins, or flaky injury prone OBJ to suck up any remaining cap space?

No other teams are beating down the doors for their services.

 

Maybe we can pick up did nothing Jerry Jeudy, but hey we was a high draft pick

 

Let's blow our load on Travis Henry.

Maybe we can add a third light pass receiving RB in Ekeler with Cook and Hines.

 

This is a re-tool year. The cap is not unlimited. Buffalo made some roster building mistakes in the 5 year window.

This is the reality of the situation. A guy like Berrios could help today and leave room without having to depend on a rookie.

I don’t agree that Hopkins is over the hill. 
 

And I have to wonder how the Bills view this.

 

They’re really satisfied with Gabe Davis taking his sweet time getting better while Diggs’ is in the later years of his prime? 

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2 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I don’t agree that Hopkins is over the hill. 
 

And I have to wonder how the Bills view this.

 

They’re really satisfied with Gabe Davis taking his sweet time getting better while Diggs’ is in the later years of his prime? 


He’s not over the hill yet but it’s close. AJ Green looked ok to start for the Cards but he fell off real quick 

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1 minute ago, The Jokeman said:

You could same about Richie James Jr. Who I think has better hands and much cheaper.

 

Correct. I thought Richie James was still under contract, but he is a UFA. Good call.

 

Sign James or Berrios for insurance at the slot.

Cut McKenzie for cap room. Cook and Hines should take the gadget role.

Trade Ed Oliver. Get a pick and $10m in cap relief, rather than let him walk next year for nothing.

Extend D Jones.

 

Now you have a slot plan.

Settle becomes the starting 3T

Add a 2-4th for Ed.

Pick another 300+ space eater DT in the draft. if this team insists on playing nickel, better to have two monster space eaters at DT.

 

Have some cap room to work with this year or next.

If that space helps bring in Jamal Williams good.

If that cap space extends D Jones/ T Johnson good.

 

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44 minutes ago, Rocky Landing said:

But I believe that the Allen/Miller restructuring put us $16mil under. Cumulatively, they saved $32mil in cap. I believe that is what I read. 
 

But I’m posting this from my phone, in a sushi restaurant in downtown LA, and I’m on my second large hot saki. So I could be remembering this wrong…

😒Jealous emoji?....and I'm looking forward to corn beef and cabbage at the local dive on Friday. BTW Sushi is Bass bait.

 

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11 minutes ago, SCBills said:


I love how you find something wrong with every WR, yet get annoyed at the offense-first fan contingent for not wanting to spend more defensive $$$ on old LB’s or a broken down Safety that doesn’t even want to be here anymore. 
 

Yes, I’d much rather spend the money we have left of Hopkins or OBJ (not at 20M) .. or trade for Jerry Jeudy, who oozes potential and has never played with a guy like Josh Allen. 
 

God forbid we take a swing for our franchise QB…

 

This is a weak WR FA crop. You don't overspend on a weak crop to 'get a guy'.

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Beane should announce we aren’t making any major moves so I can go on to watch the NCAA tournament on Thursday since it’s obvious he’s now playing the comp pick game.

It’s an incredibly boring strategy but it would allow people to stop from checking their phones every 5 minutes and get on with their lives…which is checking their phones every 6 minutes 

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11 minutes ago, Straight Hucklebuck said:

I don’t agree that Hopkins is over the hill. 
 

And I have to wonder how the Bills view this.

 

They’re really satisfied with Gabe Davis taking his sweet time getting better while Diggs’ is in the later years of his prime? 

The slot was far more disappointing than Gabe Davis. So was the OL. So was Knox for a stretch of the season IMO.

Cook and Hines were underutilized. The Charger offense goes through Ekeler.

 

Buffalo brought in an improvement at OG.

There are mid-level guys who could help improve the slot over Crowder and Mckenzie.

Outside WR is not strong this year.

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3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Beane should announce we aren’t making any major moves so I can go on to watch the NCAA tournament on Thursday since it’s obvious he’s now playing the comp pick game.

It’s an incredibly boring strategy but it would allow people to stop from checking their phones every 5 minutes and get on with their lives…which is checking their phones every 6 minutes 

Pretty sure he said that a few months ago.

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3 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Beane should announce we aren’t making any major moves so I can go on to watch the NCAA tournament on Thursday since it’s obvious he’s now playing the comp pick game.

It’s an incredibly boring strategy but it would allow people to stop from checking their phones every 5 minutes and get on with their lives…which is checking their phones every 6 minutes 

He said that weeks ago

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4 minutes ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

Beane should announce we aren’t making any major moves so I can go on to watch the NCAA tournament on Thursday since it’s obvious he’s now playing the comp pick game.

It’s an incredibly boring strategy but it would allow people to stop from checking their phones every 5 minutes and get on with their lives…which is checking their phones every 6 minutes 


Yep.  Whatever happens, happens.

 

We most likely aren’t getting any of the players TBD wants.  If we have 15 million, that leaves 5 million for the draft class and 3-5 million for day to day season cap.  Not much left over for signing free agents.  Especially with the holes we have at WR, safety and LB.

 

Won’t see restructures unless BBB knows he is going to land a guy, or two.  He said it himself, don’t expect a lot in FA this off-season.  

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The Jets are gonna be a tough out.  

 

The AFC East in general is probably in the running for toughest division.  For once, it's the Patriots who are on the outside looking in.

 

But that won't make it any easier for the Bills. If we take the division title this year, it will be well-earned.  I think we're still the favorites, but it will come down to some close games w/ both the Jets and Phins.

 

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2 minutes ago, SCBills said:


Which is why the trade market exists. 

I agree. So blowing cap room on all the over the hill/ injured WRs in this thread makes no sense.

 

How nice would it have been if Buffalo had some cap space when McCaffrey became available?

How nice would it have been if Buffalo had cap space when AJ Brown or Davante Adams became available around the draft?

How about cleaning up space and making a move for Renfrow, or Thielen?

 

I'd rather have JuJu SS than Hopkins or OBJ at this point in their careers.

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1 minute ago, davefan66 said:


Yep.  Whatever happens, happens.

 

We most likely aren’t getting any of the players TBD wants.  If we have 15 million, that leaves 5 million for the draft class and 3-5 million for day to day season cap.  Not much left over for signing free agents.  Especially with the holes we have at WR, safety and LB.

 

Won’t see restructures unless BBB knows he is going to land a guy, or two.  He said it himself, don’t expect a lot in FA this off-season.  


I do think they would have re-signed Edmunds if the Bears didn’t back up the the Brinks truck.   Makes one think there was access to, say, 8M on a backloaded contract.   
 

So far we’ve done some housekeeping and took on a 4M cap hit for McGovern. 

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