Bears to trade #1 overall pick to Panthers

[JerseyBills]

24 minutes ago, Draconator said:

 

Wow they 

 

16 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

Woof, that’s huge. Bears still get a top-10 pick and likely have someone amazing fall to them when a small run on QBs inevitably takes place. Get a good WR out of it as well.

 

This also disintegrates one of my proposed trade back partners in the Panthers, but I could see Chicago moving up for someone in late 1st/early 2nd range…  with their extra capital it’s not a significant hit if they have their eyes on a player (Robinson is my guess)

Ya he's the only QB that sticks out to me as being worth giving up that capital for

[gonzo1105]

I don’t think the Bears  got enough to be honest. Was DJ Moore valued as a 1st rounder must have been based on what they got 

 

Its basically a first, 2 seconds, 2 thirds and DJ Moore who was either valued as a first or 2nd round pick 

Edited March 10, 2023 by gonzo1105

[Victory Formation]

9 minutes ago, zevo said:

I think it gotta be Richardson with his upside…but what a swing it would be 

I love CJ Stroud but I think I’d have Anthony Richardson right behind him. His physical tool set is crazy good, if Anthony Richardson is in the right offense he could be a very good QB in the NFL.

[Draconator]

One thing to keep in mind. Which one of the QBs in the draft would work the best with Reich?  

 

For me, I don't know. 

[Inigo Montoya]

Good day to be a Bears' fan.  They weren't taking a QB at 1 and just stocked the draft cupboards full of valuable picks, still get an immediate impact 1st round selection at 9 this year, and DJ Moore. 

 

Da Bears!

[BillsSbSoon]

Two firsts and two seconds plus dj moore to move down 8 spots…that’s a great trade for the bears

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

2 1sts (at least 1 inside the top 10 still)

2 2nds

& DJ Moore (25 years old) who would fetch a first rounder as well.  

 

Great deal for the Bears!

 

 The 1st next year is valued as a 2nd this year and the 2nd in 2025 is valued as a 4th. If those two picks were the 1st pick in each round that's 696 points, let's round it to 700 for ease. Difference between 1st overall pick and the 9th is 1,650. That means DJ Moore is valued as the 17th overall pick in the draft(950 points).

 

 

 

9 minutes ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 10, 2023 by LOVEMESOMEBILLS

[BuffaloBillsGospel2014]

Moore is such an underrated WR, it's unfortunate all his QB's have been mediocre and Fields is up in the air also. 

[gonzo1105]

1 minute ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 The 1st next year is valued as a 2nd this year and the 2nd in 2025 is valued as a 4th. If those two picks were the 1st pick in each round that's 696 points, let's round it to 700 for ease. Difference between 1st overall pick and the 9th is 1,650. That means DJ Moore is valued as the 17th overall pick in the draft(950 points).

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Yes, I Agree that the Bears got fleeced all things considered 

[Chaos]

22 minutes ago, Success said:

I have no idea how to gauge trade value.  Would it have cost them much more to get Lamar Jackson?

 

Yes. Because Lamar wants 250 million guaranteed. Whichever QB the Panthers draft will be under the rookie Salary Cap for 5 years. This will be less than 40 million for the first 4 years total. Fifth year option is probably 25 million.  So 250 million - 65 million - 185 million the panthers save by not going after Lamar. 

[Rico]

Imagine trading all that for an Ohio State QB.

[Chicken Boo]

8 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

 

 The 1st next year is valued as a 2nd this year and the 2nd in 2025 is valued as a 4th. If those two picks were the 1st pick in each round that's 696 points, let's round it to 700 for ease. Difference between 1st overall pick and the 9th is 1,650. That means DJ Moore is valued as the 17th overall pick in the draft(950 points).

 

 

I wish I understood this more, but I do not.  

 

The Panthers will be bottom dwellers for the next 2-3 years, yielding Chicago high picks, and the cupboard seems pretty bare.

Edited March 10, 2023 by Chicken Boo

[LOVEMESOMEBILLS]

2 minutes ago, gonzo1105 said:

Yes, I Agree that the Bears got fleeced all things considered 

 

 And that's counting each as the 1st pick in each round. If Carolina finishes middle of the pack the next 2 years it's equivalent to the 13th-14th overall pick.

 

 

Just now, Chicken Boo said:

 

I wish I understood this more, but I do not.  

 

The Panthers will be bottom dwellers for the next 2-3 years.  The cupboard

seems pretty bare.

 

 Every year removed the pick is valued 1 round less. So the 2nd in 2025 is valued as a 4th in this year's draft.

 

 

 

[Bills Fan in MD]

Well I guess I was wrong in saying that the Texans screwed up by winning their last game and dropping to No. 2 as they won't get their top pick of QB after all.

[0017]

Good for the Bears fans! The division is up for grabs why not them this year? 

[Chaos]

18 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

No, no you didn’t, this trade is further proof that ownership/GMs will give up huge resources for middling QB talent. I’m guessing that spending a lot of money is shows that they are “contenders” lol, this ranks right up there with the Browns stupidity…, 

I think it shows teams are interested in having a middle level talent at QB for five years at rookie prices.  With the idea they build around him (like 3 of the final 4 did this year, the eagle, bengals and niners did this year) and maybe even catch a QB for the future worth paying (which seems to be the case for Burrows and Hurts).  

[Chicken Boo]

2 minutes ago, LOVEMESOMEBILLS said:

Every year removed the pick is valued 1 round less. So the 2nd in 2025 is valued as a 4th in this year's draft.

 

 

 

 

That's a strange way of looking at things, giving the varying degree of talent pools in different drafts.

 

Patience is a virtue, particularly when you have a young team and a QB on a rookie deal and the draft compensation is coming from, what should be, a below average team.  

[DrDawkinstein]

1 minute ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

That's a strange way of looking at things, giving the varying degree of talent pools in different drafts.

 

Patience is a virtue, particularly when you have a young team and a QB on a rookie deal and the draft compensation is coming from, what should be, a below average team.  

 

It's a one in the hand is worth two in the bush thing.

 

As a GM, trading for a pick 2 years from now is nice, but I may not have a job in 2 years to use it. Plus, they arent helping right now and maybe not right away even then.

[John from Riverside]

Isn’t it great to have a sucky team?

[Draconator]

13 minutes ago, Rico said:

Imagine trading all that for an Ohio State QB.

No wonder Yolo is taking a break

[QCity]

Imagine being a Houston fan and watching this haul go to the Bears? Grats on that last win though.

[Solomon Grundy]

48 minutes ago, KingBoots8 said:

Woof, that’s huge. Bears still get a top-10 pick and likely have someone amazing fall to them when a small run on QBs inevitably takes place. Get a good WR out of it as well.

 

This also disintegrates one of my proposed trade back partners in the Panthers, but I could see Chicago moving up for someone in late 1st/early 2nd range…  with their extra capital it’s not a significant hit if they have their eyes on a player (Robinson is my guess)

Maybe Jalen Carter? 

[The Jokeman]

50 minutes ago, Success said:

I have no idea how to gauge trade value.  Would it have cost them much more to get Lamar Jackson?

 

No but they'd also have to give Lamar a significant contract. It's a fair trade for both teams. I like it more from Bears side as don't see any great QBs or pass rusher or offensive tackle in this draft which to me best value in a 1st overall pick. 

[H2o]

56 minutes ago, Success said:

I have no idea how to gauge trade value.  Would it have cost them much more to get Lamar Jackson?

 

Yeah, over $235M more. 

[Don Otreply]

22 minutes ago, Chaos said:

I think it shows teams are interested in having a middle level talent at QB for five years at rookie prices.  With the idea they build around him (like 3 of the final 4 did this year, the eagle, bengals and niners did this year) and maybe even catch a QB for the future worth paying (which seems to be the case for Burrows and Hurts).  

Doesn’t happen that way for the majority of teams, if the middling QB you drafted is so bad that you are still drafting in the top ten when his time is up, drafting another QB is the same as starting over the vast majority of the time, and now you have those guys you have been building your roster with are looking for their next contracts with you or they move on and so the merry go round continues to spin, 

[RG Murdock]

This ONLY makes sense if Justin Fields is the real deal, which is not a sure thing at this point. Nice haul though...... As we have learned first hand in Buffalo, In the NFL, the QB is EVERYTHING! You get very, very few shots at ever having the overall #1 pick..... Like Vince Lombardi famously said back in the 60's- "The NFL is the worlds greatest sport, but is has one very big flaw, the QB is far too critical Vs. the rest of the players".... It seems like this is being proven more and more each year. Good luck Bears.. It's really a big roll of the dice..

[NewEra]

50 minutes ago, Victory Formation said:

I don’t know how I feel about this class outside of CJ Stroud. There’s some really nice things I like about Bryce Young but he’s just so small that I worry about how his game translates. Anthony Richardson is a really nice project, but not someone I’d feel good about spending a ton of draft capital on. And Will Levis, God bless him, I just don’t feel it.

Same.  If I’m the colts, I’d take Stroud. I like young but I wouldn’t risk the franchise future on a QB his size.
 

Some of you guys would really take Richardson #1 overall?   I mean, I love the god given talent but I’d rather draft LeBron James and teach him how to play QB.  Richardson might be a slightly better runner atm, but Lebron is definitely a better passer at this point.  
 

Just now, RG Murdock said:

This ONLY makes sense if Justin Fields is the real deal, which is not a sure thing at this point. Nice haul though...... As we have learned first hand in Buffalo, In the NFL, the QB is EVERYTHING! You get very, very few shots at ever having the overall #1 pick..... Like Vince Lombardi famously said back in the 60's- "The NFL is the worlds greatest sport, but is has one very big flaw, the QB is far too critical Vs. the rest of the players".... It seems like this is being proven more and more each year. Good luck Bears.. It's really a big roll of the dice..

Is it really a roll of the dice?  What else should they do with it?  Roll the dice on another QB that most don’t really view as that great to begin with?  This makes complete sense

[BADOLBILZ]

1 hour ago, Virgil said:

 If you think that DJ Moore is worth a late first round pick, then it’s fair.  

 

I don’t think Moore would fetch a late first round pick, so it seems like the Panthers paid under value.  
 

With so many teams wanting a QB, I expected more competition.

 

 

DJ Moore has had as good of a 5 year start to his career as Stefon Diggs(less TD's but more 1,000 yard seasons and yards) and Diggs brought more than a late first in a draft that everyone knew was full of WR1's.

 

I think Moore would have brought a first rounder for sure.

 

I agree with your general point though.........it's probably more value than the 49ers traded to move up 9 spots from #12 to #3 to get Trey Lance because 2 of those 1st rounders are late and Carolina could conceivably still be drafting top 15 next season...........but that #1 overall usually brings a premium.    To make a deal this early I would have expected the Bears to be blown away.   It isn't quite THAT, IMO.

[DrDawkinstein]

2 minutes ago, RG Murdock said:

This ONLY makes sense if Justin Fields is the real deal, which is not a sure thing at this point. Nice haul though...... As we have learned first hand in Buffalo, In the NFL, the QB is EVERYTHING! You get very, very few shots at ever having the overall #1 pick..... Like Vince Lombardi famously said back in the 60's- "The NFL is the worlds greatest sport, but is has one very big flaw, the QB is far too critical Vs. the rest of the players".... It seems like this is being proven more and more each year. Good luck Bears.. It's really a big roll of the dice..

 

I'm not much of a Fields fan, definitely not a big believer, but I think it's the right move to stick with him now and build around him as best they can. And this move supports that greatly.

 

There just isnt a Luck/Manning/Elway guy in this draft. If there were, then I'd say they must pick him - and they probably would. There isnt even a Bosa/Bruce DE, or amazing LT they can pick.

 

Trading down is the right move here, imo.

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

So the Bears traded from 1 to 9 and kept a QB who couldn’t a school bus from 20 yards. Lol!!!!! McKaskeys are the worst owners in any sport.

[Chaos]

11 minutes ago, Don Otreply said:

Doesn’t happen that way for the majority of teams, if the middling QB you drafted is so bad that you are still drafting in the top ten when his time is up, drafting another QB is the same as starting over the vast majority of the time, and now you have those guys you have been building your roster with are looking for their next contracts with you or they move on and so the merry go round continues to spin, 

Hurts, Lance/Purdy, Burrows all disagree. 

[LABILLBACKER]

1 hour ago, stevestojan said:

I’m admittedly not a big college football guy, but did I miss a generational QB coming up in this draft? 

Nope there is none.  Now next year will be different with Williams leading the charge. 

[Call_Of_Ktulu]

I’m definitely not drafting DJ Moore in FFL

[Draconator]

Apparently, the madness isn't over. This opens the door for the Bills, because, Carolina

 

 

[Kiva]

1 hour ago, Draconator said:

No wonder Yolo is taking a break

Who?

[LEBills]

Good for Frank. Not getting saddled with retread QBs like he did in Indy after Luck. Get the guy you want most, hope you picked right. 
 

Id guess it will be Young.

[Draconator]

1 minute ago, Kiva said:

Who?

@YoloinOhio

[White Linen]

1 hour ago, Chicken Boo said:

 

2 1sts (at least 1 inside the top 10 still)

2 2nds

& DJ Moore (25 years old) who would fetch a first rounder as well.  

 

Great deal for the Bears!

One first 

[BADOLBILZ]

15 minutes ago, Draconator said:

Apparently, the madness isn't over. This opens the door for the Bills, because, Carolina

 

 

 

 

Ryan's cousin Roland was a local WNY sports star who played football at Tennessee.........we looked up to him growing up so I wish the family well..........but I am not sure Ryan isn't a terrible GM.    

 

Obviously the Chase Claypool deal looks absurd.    But his handling of the Ryan Bates offer sheet last year was a rare kind of stupidity.  I don't think the likes has been seen in the NFL since Marv Levy was the Bills GM and he signed a bunch of RFA's to offer sheets which were promptly matched.    Fake hustle and a waste of everyone's time except for the opposing GM who you negotiated the contract for.  

Just now, White Linen said:

One first 

 

 

Here we go.......

[Freddie's Dead]

Da Bears....