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3 hours ago, ArtVandalay said:

Last year the Special Teams Coordinator was the scapegoat. 

 

This year it was the Defensive Coordinator. 

 

Who will be McDermott's scapegoat next year? On to Offensive Coordinator? He already did that previously when he fired Dennison, can always go back there again and fire Dorsey I guess...

 

... walls are closing in ...


Better question:  When are you gonna get a new schtick?  

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1 minute ago, GunnerBill said:

I mean he didn't fire Frazier..... 

 

The only people scapegoating Leslie Frazier are fans. 

You really believe they didn’t nudge Frazier into a year off? Not a chance he just decided to take a year on his own. 

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1 hour ago, mrags said:

I don’t think he’s untouchable. I think he has Terrys ear more than anyone in the organization. I believe Terry would fire Beane before he would let Beane fire McD. 

 

Organisationally Beane cannot fire McDermott. McDermott does not report to Beane. Even in terms of the org chart both report to Pegula. 

 

In reality it is much more, as you indicate, Beane reporting to McDermott. This is Sean McDermott's ship. 

 

But the Bills have never pretended that Beane has any power over McDermott. They have always been at pains to point out that is not the case.

Just now, mrags said:

You really believe they didn’t nudge Frazier into a year off? Not a chance he just decided to take a year on his own. 

 

Yes. I really believe it. You are wrong.

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4 hours ago, mrags said:

players that Tow the company line

That could be it!!!   Why we failed the last 3 years.  The correct  expression is actually "toe the line".

 

Stern memo to all players and staff to follow via email later today.

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3 hours ago, mrags said:

It’s amazing that a 13-3 coach hasn’t received more criticism from fans after 13 seconds. Or the shellacking at home against Cinci, or the terrible loss in KC in 2020. Or other losses that were at at the hands of terrible coaching decisions that cost us the 1 seed for the bye, or previous years home field advantage in the playoffs. 

Do you think that he’s not receiving criticism?
 

Do you think that the defensive coordinator left today because things were going so great?

 

My point is this don’t treat a head coach that went 13 and three like he went three and 13

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8 hours ago, Aussie Joe said:

They didnt fire Leslie.. he is taking a break

A polite way of asking him to leave,  this gives him an opportunity for a fresh start next season with another team while not throwing him right under the bus and then he starts complaining to the media.  I am sure we would have heard you really was behind the stupid play calling of 13 secs, so yes this way of dismissal avoids a messy divorce. Even after Dabol left you heard some things from Dabol's team in the media,  I am sure it would have been far worse with Frazier.

 

If you noticed it says he wants to return to coaching next season,  the biggest part of that that statement is it never mentions returning to the Bills

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24 minutes ago, Herb Nightly said:

But....do you know WHY he is taking a break? Perhaps he was pushed to " take a break" rather than get fired?

Bingo,  coaches don't just decide to take breaks.  He was was pushed out this way to avoid further damage to Frazier's already crushed reputation and to avoid him leaking to the media about who is really behind the problems this defence has had in the playoffs. 

 

I wanted Frazier gone so now we can finally see who is really at fault,  I think it would be a massive mistake letting Sean call defensive plays but Beanne will most likely do this because of Sean's massive ego.  

 

I still have no forgiven him for 13 secs,  you don't blame others.  He should have gone directly to his kicker to inform him about squib kick #1 and zero common sense on the 2 plays after that.  A great HC does not allow this to happen, especially if your calling timeouts on each of those 2 plays.  Like why were they worried about the sideline when KC had all of their timeouts? How about rushing only 3 with spy and just dragging down Kelce and Hill on first down play and then even Kelce could not believe they were conceding the middle of the field on second down. It was a loser finish and we most likely won't find out the truth until after next season when Frazier starts leaking stuff on what happened.

 

I could never get how a player who played on the most aggressive defensive team (85 Bears) ever turned into some bend by not break DC playing soft zones with DB'S 8-10 off the line. 

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7 hours ago, papazoid said:

scapegoat ?  poor choice of word

 

no one from the bills is blaming frazier. he is voluntarily taking time off.

 

lots of fans think we can do better.....he had alot of success, so that may be easier said than done.

 

i myself feel like he played soft and was predictable. you need to mix it up more. 

If you buy that story, I’ve got some sweet ocean front property for sale in Arizona I’d love to discuss with you.

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6 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

Not sure why you think McD gets a free pass if the team continues to fail in the playoffs?

 

I don't think he's untouchable. I think it's widely believed he blew the KC 13 second game. His team was flat and unprepared vs Cinci. There are some valid reasons to think about making coaching changes which includes him. 

The fact is Sean has got this team to playoffs the past 4 seasons, which is great and all fans truly appreciate this.  Can anyone dare say any other coach since Levy has had a QB with HOF skills and is a top 3-4 QB?. Zero of them did,  so just making the playoffs because 85% of the time during the regular games you have the best player on the field is not going to cut it if you continue crap the bed come playoff time.

 

13 secs was one of the top 1-2 choke finishes ever in playoff history,  you cannot just sweep that under there table and then with Bengals missing 3 starting offensive line players you get destroyed at home.  I am sure Pegula has his own adviser,  who is telling him that the Chiefs are killing it with drafting and killing it with their HC.  This coming season will be very important,  if we see another dud playoff game then the Marvin Lewis comparisons will come out.  He was another DC turned HC who had so many great regular seasons and would then crap the bed come playoff time.

 

Something lost this past season was the Bills nearly lost their opening playoff game to the Dolphins who were playing their 3rd string QB. They were more in a position to win that game late in the 4th quarter than we were ever in a position to beat Bengals.

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9 minutes ago, DCofNC said:

If you buy that story, I’ve got some sweet ocean front property for sale in Arizona I’d love to discuss with you.

As much as I hate to contribute to this thread, I’ll weigh in on this. My first thought was that Frazier was dealing with a serious health issue, but after hearing Beane talk about it I think it was a firing. Warrow said that Frazier’s contract wasn’t up yet and contracts typically prevent coaches from double dipping so Frazier probably wouldn’t be coaching in 2023 if fired. The way it was done seems like more of a  face-saving measure for a respected colleague. 

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If McDermott makes himself the DC and the D ****'s the bed again in the playoffs, then I know who I am blaming. Overall, he and Beane have done a good job, but it is fair to wonder if they will get over the hump and bring a Lombardi to Buffalo. I still can't believe 13 seconds happened. If by some miracle Belichick and the Pats ever part ways I would offer him a blank check to come here if I were Terry Pegula. Give Bill an elite level franchise QB and everyone knows what he can do.

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I honestly believe that Frazier made the decision to take the year off (although I doubt he ever returns). If it were up to the Bills they would have let him go when they could have chased people like Fangio. 
 

Additioinally, the Bills would have done it early so that he would have had a chance to get a DC job elsewhere. There is plenty of respect there. It doesn’t make ANY sense for the Bills to make this decision now. I wish Frazier would have done it sooner. Dorsey and McDermott are both in the crosshairs.
 

In terms of players, I could see Hyde taking some heat if the pass d struggles with no Poyer. Everyone will be claiming that Poyer elevated him. The same goes for Milano if there is no Edmunds. Oliver is now getting paid which automatically makes all Bills fans like him less 😂. Anyone on the OL, Cook and WRs not named Diggs are all candidates to have our collective fingers pointed at them. 

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Just now, FireChans said:

Daboll sucks, Dorsey must be better.

 

Frazier sucks, X must be better….

 

Depends on who X is. Have you seen Frazier's defense against good teams with good QB's. Even some scrub QB almost won a playoff game at Buffalo for Miami. Frazier's defense does suck. I am not impressed with shutting out bottom feeders to pad the stats and have a high-ranking defense. Everybody knows the Bills defense was a paper tiger.

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Just now, Gregg said:

 

Depends on who X is. Have you seen Frazier's defense against good teams with good QB's. Even some scrub QB almost won a playoff game at Buffalo for Miami. Frazier's defense does suck. I am not impressed with shutting out bottom feeders to pad the stats and have a high-ranking defense. Everybody knows the Bills defense was a paper tiger.

Okay sure lmao.

 

Around Week 8 we are gonna see, “this team misses Frazier,” topics. Folks like you will either be silent or pretend you didn’t spend all off-season blaming him for Josh Allen fumbling for a defensive TD 

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Just now, Gregg said:

 

Depends on who X is. Have you seen Frazier's defense against good teams with good QB's. Even some scrub QB almost won a playoff game at Buffalo for Miami. Frazier's defense does suck. I am not impressed with shutting out bottom feeders to pad the stats and have a high-ranking defense. Everybody knows the Bills defense was a paper tiger.

I think his point is that “it can certainly be worse.” I don’t think that anyone is saying that Frazier’s defense is perfect. You’d have to be insane though to think that whoever takes over will definitely be an improvement. The Bills defense has been near the top of the league since he got here. It certainly struggled at times but it can ABSOLUTELY be worse with someone else calling the shots. I go back and forth with this. The grass may be greener. It may not. 

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30 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

The fact is Sean has got this team to playoffs the past 4 seasons, which is great and all fans truly appreciate this.  Can anyone dare say any other coach since Levy has had a QB with HOF skills and is a top 3-4 QB?. Zero of them did,  so just making the playoffs because 85% of the time during the regular games you have the best player on the field is not going to cut it if you continue crap the bed come playoff time.

 

13 secs was one of the top 1-2 choke finishes ever in playoff history,  you cannot just sweep that under there table and then with Bengals missing 3 starting offensive line players you get destroyed at home.  I am sure Pegula has his own adviser,  who is telling him that the Chiefs are killing it with drafting and killing it with their HC.  This coming season will be very important,  if we see another dud playoff game then the Marvin Lewis comparisons will come out.  He was another DC turned HC who had so many great regular seasons and would then crap the bed come playoff time.

 

Something lost this past season was the Bills nearly lost their opening playoff game to the Dolphins who were playing their 3rd string QB. They were more in a position to win that game late in the 4th quarter than we were ever in a position to beat Bengals.

Great post! Just not sure many share similar viewpoints.

 

Seems like so many fans are satisfied with the regular wins and playoffs appearances. The bar seems to be low perhaps due to all the previous Bills losses and failures.

 

Lots of fans seems to love McD because of his high character. The regular seasons wins, division titles, and playoff appearances seem to satisfy most fans. Perhaps the bar is set low again; when you compare him to the likes of Rex Ryan and Dick Jauron.

 

The Bills can do much worse than McD. Change is often scary. Combine these two thoughts and the above mentioned. Hence, it's much easier to stay the course and hope McD can " pull the rabbit" out of the hat."

 

We have a six year sample size of McD. However, I'd like to focus on the last two years. The team was absolutely positioned to make a Super Bowl run. Frankly, they didn't come close. The team was out coached and out maneuvered by a wide margin. Frankly, coaching had a lot to do with losing those playoff games. Not sure how the most optimistic fan or McD supporter can argue otherwise.

 

I can see how many are willing to give McD another opportunity. Many have provided excuses for the team's failures. Many point out other coaches mistakes and lack of success before succeeding. Any Reid in Philly comes to mind. 

 

This season should be a make or break season for McD. Probably won't happen. The McD rhetoric is getting old because the results have fallen woefully short the last two years. When is enough enough? 

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8 hours ago, newcam2012 said:

At some point, the head coach should take some responsibility.

 

His nice guy and great character blurries our vision at times. 

Coach McD has failed to meet goals and expectations for the last three years. 

 

The three playoff losses have been pretty bad. Coaching was pretty bad. 

 

This team should be better than early playoff exits with years of a Josh Allen under center. 

 

That's interesting that you know what the teams actual goals were every year.  When does Terry send them to you, can you forward me his email?

There are 32 teams in the NFL.  While all 32 will publicly tell you their goal is to win the SB every year, realistically behind closed doors, teams likely discuss where they really are.  Was this past year to win the SB and did they feel they had a good shot, sure.  Prior particularly 3 years ago reaching the AFC championship game may have exceeded their expectations.  Even this past year, by the end of the season, not so sure the team even believed they could win it between all the injuries and other things that happened.

 

So the only goals and expectations they didn't meet were yours. and most fans here.  But you're not speaking for the team.

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10 minutes ago, FireChans said:

Okay sure lmao.

 

Around Week 8 we are gonna see, “this team misses Frazier,” topics. Folks like you will either be silent or pretend you didn’t spend all off-season blaming him for Josh Allen fumbling for a defensive TD 

 

I expect the defense to regress with Edmunds and Poyer most likely gone. I will be complaining if Allen has to be a one-man gang again. Build around Allen. Better OL, and more weapons to go along with Diggs. If the defense can be in the 10-15 range, then I can live with that provided the Bills offense improves with a more balanced attack. Allen isn't winning a Super Bowl by having to play Superman. Look at KC. Is the defense really that great? Yet they have 2 Super Bowls championships recently.

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1 minute ago, newcam2012 said:

Great post! Just not sure many share similar viewpoints.

 

Seems like so manh fans are satisfied with the regular wins and playoffs appearances. The bar seems to be low due to all the previous Bills losses and failures.

 

Lots of fans seems to love McD because of his high character. The regular seasons wins, division titles, and playoff appearances seem to satisfy most fans. Perhaps the bar is set low again when you compare him to the likes of Rex Ryan and Dick Jauron.

 

The Bills can do much worse than McD. Change is often scary. Combine these two thoughts and the above mentioned. Hence, it's much easier to stay the course and hope McD can " pull the rabbit" out of the hat."

 

We have a six year sample size of McD. However, I'd like to focus on the last two years. The team was absolutely positioned to make a Super Bowl run. Frankly, they didn't come close. The team was out coached and out maneuvered by a wide margin. Frankly, coaching had a lot to do with losing those playoff games. Not sure how the even most optimistic fan or McD supporter can argue otherwise.

 

I can see how many are willing to give McD another opportunity. Many have provided excuses for the team's failures. Many point out other coaches mistakes and lack of success before succeeding. Any Reid in Philly comes to mind. 

 

This season should be a make or break season for McD. Probably won't happen. The McD rhetoric is getting old because the results have fallen woefully short the last two years. When is enough enough? 

Agree with all of this and I have this unsubstantiated feeling that Terry Pegula has the same "loyalty" trait that McD and Beane have and will hold on to him as long as the Bills keep making the playoffs.  I could be wrong though....any Sabre fans want to chime in?   

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45 minutes ago, Niagara Dude said:

The fact is Sean has got this team to playoffs the past 4 seasons, which is great and all fans truly appreciate this.  Can anyone dare say any other coach since Levy has had a QB with HOF skills and is a top 3-4 QB?. Zero of them did,  so just making the playoffs because 85% of the time during the regular games you have the best player on the field is not going to cut it if you continue crap the bed come playoff time.

 

13 secs was one of the top 1-2 choke finishes ever in playoff history,  you cannot just sweep that under there table and then with Bengals missing 3 starting offensive line players you get destroyed at home.  I am sure Pegula has his own adviser,  who is telling him that the Chiefs are killing it with drafting and killing it with their HC.  This coming season will be very important,  if we see another dud playoff game then the Marvin Lewis comparisons will come out.  He was another DC turned HC who had so many great regular seasons and would then crap the bed come playoff time.

 

Something lost this past season was the Bills nearly lost their opening playoff game to the Dolphins who were playing their 3rd string QB. They were more in a position to win that game late in the 4th quarter than we were ever in a position to beat Bengals.


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7 hours ago, mrags said:

I don’t think he’s untouchable. I think he has Terrys ear more than anyone in the organization. I believe Terry would fire Beane before he would let Beane fire McD. 

I think McD would go before Beane. It's really difficult to find quality GMs. The pool is much smaller than the coaching pool. 

 

I suspect when the times right both will be gone at the same time. Clean house if you will. 

 

I think you are giving McD way too much power. 

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Ah, so many lollipops talking about AFC East titles (started when Brady left and the 3 other teams have been bad) 10+ wins seasons (Josh Allen is our QB), and McClap’s winning %…

 

They are completely oblivious to the fact of his horrible in game decisions, choke jobs when it matters (playoffs), and the massive top round investments into defensive picks who stink. Before anybody says that’s on Beane, wake the heck up. Sean hired Beane. Beane is a puppet on a string taking orders from the czar McClappy.

 

You want to support and give the coach all the glory for beating crap in division teams with Brady leaving and ruining/not protecting the best QB to ever put on a Bills jersey then go ahead.

 

Like I said 2 years ago, like I said last season before it kicked off, like I’m saying now, we won’t ever win a Super Bowl with Sean McDermott and we are wasting Josh Allen…a once in a generation talent. Brian Daboll walked, we kept  mcclap, we get what we deserve.
 

We are in coaching purgatory. Sad!

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20 minutes ago, BIGFOOTspaceman said:

Agree with all of this and I have this unsubstantiated feeling that Terry Pegula has the same "loyalty" trait that McD and Beane have and will hold on to him as long as the Bills keep making the playoffs.  I could be wrong though....any Sabre fans want to chime in?   

I agree with you. Making the playoffs certainly bolsters the chances for the regime to remain.

 

The percentage of a team making the playoffs is 59%. Couple that with a franchise QB named Allen. Making the playoffs is hardly a feat. Winning one playoff game isn't the goal. 

 

For whatever reason, the team had fallen short. I don't think it's unreasonable to scrutinize the coaching staff and general manager. 

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3 minutes ago, ScottLaw said:

I’ll happily take a worse regular season defense that doesn’t get absolutely annihilated come playoff time against better competition…. Just hope the organization can finally put most of the limited chips it has into the offense basket and make do with scraps on defense this offseason(basically the opposite of what they’ve been doing). I still think the first round pick is going to be defense(money is on Safety. Runner up is MLB to replace Edmunds).

I agree with the top part. I’m simply suggesting that it isn’t a guarantee that the playoff defense improves. I’m hopeful and believe that change was needed. 
 

I don’t think that they draft defense. There has been too much focus on the neglect on offense. Kelvin Benjamin is the only offensive player drafted in round 1 that Allen has played with 😂😂. That changes this year. It will either be an OL or WR imo. TE is a sleeper.

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8 minutes ago, McBean said:

Ah, so many lollipops talking about AFC East titles (started when Brady left and the 3 other teams have been bad) 10+ wins seasons (Josh Allen is our QB), and McClap’s winning %…

 

They are completely oblivious to the fact of his horrible in game decisions, choke jobs when it matters (playoffs), and the massive top round investments into defensive picks who stink. Before anybody says that’s on Beane, wake the heck up. Sean hired Beane. Beane is a puppet on a string taking orders from the czar McClappy.

 

You want to support and give the coach all the glory for beating crap in division teams with Brady leaving and ruining/not protecting the best QB to ever put on a Bills jersey then go ahead.

 

Like I said 2 years ago, like I said last season before it kicked off, like I’m saying now, we won’t ever win a Super Bowl with Sean McDermott and we are wasting Josh Allen…a once in a generation talent. Brian Daboll walked, we kept  mcclap, we get what we deserve.
 

We are in coaching purgatory. Sad!

 

Sean recommended Beane and the Pegula's (the real bosses) hired him. Why would Beane stay on as the Bills GM if he were just a puppet? Obviously, Sean and Brandon talk strategy. My guess is Sean tells Brandon what type of player he would like on the roster. Beane and his scouts start the process in September when CFB season starts. Don't forget Beane can focus a lot of his time on CFB while Sean is focused on the Bills season. I am sure Beane runs the draft because of this. For all we know one of the scouts tells Beane about a player and then Beane flies to the game to see the player in person. Then takes a flight back to wherever the Bills are playing that Sunday. Terry has already said both men report to him and neither of them is the boss over the other. 

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33 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

That's interesting that you know what the teams actual goals were every year.  When does Terry send them to you, can you forward me his email?

There are 32 teams in the NFL.  While all 32 will publicly tell you their goal is to win the SB every year, realistically behind closed doors, teams likely discuss where they really are.  Was this past year to win the SB and did they feel they had a good shot, sure.  Prior particularly 3 years ago reaching the AFC championship game may have exceeded their expectations.  Even this past year, by the end of the season, not so sure the team even believed they could win it between all the injuries and other things that happened.

 

So the only goals and expectations they didn't meet were yours. and most fans here.  But you're not speaking for the team.

This post is pretty ridiculous. If course, I don't speak for the team.

 

Not sure what planet you are living on?  You don't think the goal of the Bills team the last two years wasn't going to the Super Bowl and winning it? Really? Surely, you can't be that foolish to perpetrate that position.

 

Let me copy Beane's press conference comments after losing to KC. The infamous 13 second game.

 

Beane was brutally honest about one thing. Just because you’re one game away from the Super Bowl, it doesn’t mean you are a “Super Bowl team.” While that might be pretty strong of a statement, there’s is no debating it: That is the truth.

“I still think we need to be very honest with where we’re at. We’re still not a Super Bowl team. There’s one team happy at the end of the year. We made a great step last year and another step this year, but we still have to go further. The goal here is to win that game [the Super Bowl], and until we get in that game to compete for it, we can’t win it,”

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10 hours ago, MJS said:

You've had a vendetta against McDermott for years now. I can't take anything you say seriously.

But he's right. McDermott exposed himself fully after the 13 seconds and that was unforgivable. He is a chump and always was.

 

I wish I had the energy to go back and find my posts where I was pounding the table to promote Daboll and dump McClappy. 

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9 hours ago, Augie said:

 

I’m not blurriesed, but I like 13-3 seasons, with two freaky losses.    😋

 

 

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     I agree that was amazing fun.  Still, quality means something regarding wins and it provides clues to post season success as trends develop. Despite the wins, if we are willing to be honest, we could see the quality of play deteriorating at seasons end. Struggling and then losing at home in the playoffs didn’t used to be the Bills way.  They used to play their best, highest intensity games  then, and rarely if ever came out flat like that Cincy game.  

      It was a crazy , injury plagued , and I hope , an aberrant season leading up to the playoffs. My only concern is it is three playoff disappointments without one SB appearance and each year has ended with some form of coaching gaff or appearance of being out smarted.

 He has to clear that playoff plateau , as newer staffs ( Cincy, Philly, Miami & the jets beat us with less talented qb play under younger HC’s) are showing rapid progression.  The 4-5 playoff record is a monkey on his back , and is tarnishing his stellar reg season success. He is great for the culture and city, but marv at least managed to get 4 shots at the prize, so fans shouldn’t be  content with less now, having  a gifted franchise qb; one they patiently waited 17 years for. I hope he is the coach to finally win it all, but his margin for error keeps getting thinner. With Frazier bowing out , it’s like a noose tightening.  Let’s hope its a slip knot and he doesn’t hang himself but instead, crafts a bow around that Lombardi to give to the Bills mafia.  

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30 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

I agree with the top part. I’m simply suggesting that it isn’t a guarantee that the playoff defense improves. I’m hopeful and believe that change was needed. 
 

I don’t think that they draft defense. There has been too much focus on the neglect on offense. Kelvin Benjamin is the only offensive player drafted in round 1 that Allen has played with 😂😂. That changes this year. It will either be an OL or WR imo. TE is a sleeper.

Bro they are drafting a safety in the first round. Don’t even start. You know it’s happening.

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