We have a Super Bowl trophy (or two) if Andy Reid was our head coach

[sven233]

Yeah.....this game made 2 things perfectly clear about what we are missing in order to win the Super Bowl.  The first is the fact that both of these offensive lines controlled this entire game.  Both teams dictated up front and both defensive lines were non-factors in the game.  We have invested so much into our defensive line and it was proven tonight that no matter how good your defensive line is, if you have a top offensive line, you can do everything you need to do on offense to move the ball and score.  These QBs were barely rushed tonight, let alone touched, and the offenses did whatever they wanted.  The QBs just stood back there and made the plays they wanted to make and they consistently got the push they needed up front when they did run the ball.  Way too many times I caught myself thinking about how Allen has a guy in his face immediately after the snap and has to go into superman mode just to try and make a play work.  Tonight proved just how valuable the guys up front are.....both teams showed it.

 

And the second thing was obvious as well.  Coaching.  Both offensive staffs, particularly Reid, showed what scheming and adjustments are all about.  Both of these defenses are arguably better than ours, especially in big games, but Reid was getting guys running wide open, especially in close.  We always joke that us guys in the parking lot throwing the football at a tailgate could make some of these throws.  While obviously a lot of that is hyperbole, but tonight I actually think many of us could have thrown those TDs that Mahomes threw.  I mean, there wasn't a defender anywhere near those WRs.  That's scheme.  That's coaching.  We used to get a few like that with Daboll, but this season everything was like pulling teeth.  Nothing was easy. 

 

But yeah.  The game was good (up until that terrible PI call), but the differences between those teams and ours were VERY obvious tonight.  We have a lot of work to do on the offensive line this off season.  At the bare minimum, we need 2 new guards and a tackle.  We need to get some real players up front and not just the turnstiles we have.  If you have the stomach for it, just go back and watch a little bit of the Bengals game.  It won't take you long to see Allen get pressured immediately after the snap because someone on the line basically just misses their blocks.  Happened a ton.  As for coaching, there really isn't much we can do except pray that Dorsey has a light bulb go off because these offenses we saw tonight are schemed night and day better than what we were throwing on the field, especially the second half of the season.

[LABILLBACKER]

33 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

I know the end of the season was disappointing. But i'm amazed at how this board has become almost exclusively Sean McDermott hate posts as of late. The amount of vitriol towards he and the rest of the coaching staff is incredible.

You'll understand in a couple years when he's still around and we're still losing early in the playoffs. 

[Billsflyer12]

42 minutes ago, BillsFanForever19 said:

 

That may or may not be true. What is true however is that neither of them are going anywhere this season. So it's kind of a moot point to harp on. Is this going to be the state of the board all year? Posters talking ish and rooting on their failures in hopes that theyll be gone? Feels really toxic around here right now.

The fact that it is a moot point is exactly what pisses everyone off.  We do the same sh*t every year, with the same people who make the same mistakes.

 

All the while the Chiefs completely overhaul their OL and retool receivers after trading one of the best away.  Eagles hire a young, aggressive, offensive coach while drafting and WR in top 10 and trading for an addition top 5 WR.  Bengals over haul their OL, draft WR and then draft another one right after.  49ers trade for Christian McCaffery, we trade for Hines and use him 4 offensive plays.

 

So yes, not only do neither of them go anywhere, they all just stay a do the same dumb stuff doubling down on freaking defense every year.  They learn nothing, say nothing and we all are to just trust the process.  Ok 👍.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Billsflyer12

[Awwufelloff]

Pacheco in the what 7th round? Cook in the 2nd? I'm not drafting RBS high ever again....Shore up the lines.

Edited February 13, 2023 by Awwufelloff

[gobills404]

1 hour ago, Einstein said:

 

No doubt that Mahomes is a stud. But he did NOTHING tonight that Allen can’t do. Absolutely nothing. But he has Reid. And Allen doesn’t.

Mahomes has never done anything Allen can’t do, but he does A LOT of stuff that Allen chooses not to do.

[RyanC883]

39 minutes ago, SCBills said:

They trade for Toney on a rookie contract for multiple years.  
 

We trade for Hines on a bloated RB contract.  
 

They worked Toney into a legit contributor role by the playoffs .. and that’s with Toney missing time. 
 

We relegated Hines to KR/PR and a package of 4 plays that never worked.  
 

Pretty much sums up how Reid and Veach build their team compared to Beane and McDermott. 
 

They also moved a superstar for assets to accelerate their roster reload.  Imagine my surprise when we re-sign Edmunds to a massive contract and then let Oliver walk for nothing next year. 

 

their GM is better than Bean.  That’s a major difference.  

[LABILLBACKER]

2 minutes ago, Awwufelloff said:

Pacheco in the what 7th round? Cook in the 2nd? I'm not drafting RBS high ever again....Shore up the lines.

The strategy by McB should've been start building a dominant OL in 2018.  But noooooooo....let's go hard for 3 straight years on defensive busts. Then when we do finally find 1 good olineman (Teller), we piss him away.  Meanwhile our incredible scouting department finds gems like Ford, Doyle, Brown....

[Billsfanatic8989]

1 hour ago, I am the egg man said:

…..or 7.

Yep

[jahnyc]

I have been thinking post-Super Bowl that maybe it was a mistake to elevate Dorsey to OC.  After last season, the expectation was that we would be a Super Bowl contender this season, possibly even a favorite to get there.  In that situation, was the right decision to install a rookie OC to do the play calling for a head coach with a background on defense?  Doesn't seem like a wise decision in hindsight.  It may have been upsetting to Josh, but the right approach would have been to hire an OC with experience.  To be fair, I don't know who was available last offseason and we did have Mike Shula in some kind of a role, but our offense was really uneven this season and not particularly creative.

[Einstein]

24 minutes ago, Billsflyer12 said:

 

All the while the Chiefs completely overhaul their OL and retool receivers after trading one of the best away.  Eagles hire a young, aggressive, offensive coach while drafting and WR in top 10 and trading for an addition top 5 WR.  Bengals over haul their OL, draft WR and then draft another one right after.  49ers trade for Christian McCaffery, we trade for Hines and use him 4 offensive plays.

Ok 👍

 

Stings to read because it’s true.

[Billz4ever]

1 hour ago, Mr. WEO said:

different time,  but MCNabb was pretty productive 

And he had the unfortunate luck of going against Brady and the Pats even though Philly played a good game and could've won had a few plays gone differently.

42 minutes ago, jahnyc said:

I have been thinking post-Super Bowl that maybe it was a mistake to elevate Dorsey to OC.  After last season, the expectation was that we would be a Super Bowl contender this season, possibly even a favorite to get there.  In that situation, was the right decision to install a rookie OC to do the play calling for a head coach with a background on defense?  Doesn't seem like a wise decision in hindsight.  It may have been upsetting to Josh, but the right approach would have been to hire an OC with experience.  To be fair, I don't know who was available last offseason and we did have Mike Shula in some kind of a role, but our offense was really uneven this season and not particularly creative.

Because we were all mostly convinced Dorsey was a Dabs clone.  As the season went on, we quickly realized that wasn't the case.  He's obviously not going anywhere, so all we can hope it that he learns how to tame Josh and play situational football.

[davefan66]

Would Beane be here? Remember, McDermott was the HC before Beane was signed. Would we have landed a top flight GM?  
 

Would we have lost enough to have the pick that was Mahomes of drafted Allen?

[Einstein]

 

[LV Bills fan]

2 hours ago, chongli said:

 

But does Mahomes turn it over in the red zone?

Yup, Elam picked him off in the end zone this season 

[Einstein]

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

Would Beane be here? Remember, McDermott was the HC before Beane was signed. Would we have landed a top flight GM?  
 

Would we have lost enough to have the pick that was Mahomes of drafted Allen?

 

Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. There’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t have traded up if he had the Bills in a similar spot.

[davefan66]

1 minute ago, Einstein said:

 

Chiefs traded up to get Mahomes. There’s no reason to believe he wouldn’t have traded up if he had the Bills in a similar spot.

If we had Reid, would that have happened? Would we have been bad enough to draft in that spot that year, or maybe we would have drafted higher or lower?

 

Could we have signed Reid?  Maybe.  Would he have wanted to be here? We missed many great head coaches over the years, so have many other teams.  What about drafting Troupe over Gronk?  We, like many other teams, missed on drafting great players.

 

To get to the gist of the original post, would we have 2 Super Bowls if Reid was our coach?  Maybe.  Maybe we’d be the worst team ever.  A lot of thongs happened right for him to be the coach he is in KC.  Wouldn’t have necessarily happened that way if he was our coach.

[FireChans]

25 minutes ago, davefan66 said:

If we had Reid, would that have happened? Would we have been bad enough to draft in that spot that year, or maybe we would have drafted higher or lower?

 

Could we have signed Reid?  Maybe.  Would he have wanted to be here? We missed many great head coaches over the years, so have many other teams.  What about drafting Troupe over Gronk?  We, like many other teams, missed on drafting great players.

 

To get to the gist of the original post, would we have 2 Super Bowls if Reid was our coach?  Maybe.  Maybe we’d be the worst team ever.  A lot of thongs happened right for him to be the coach he is in KC.  Wouldn’t have necessarily happened that way if he was our coach.

The Chiefs were drafting 27th when Mahomes was taken.

[John from Riverside]

But we don’t have the best coach in the league so we should fire the one that we have
 

Am I doing this, right?

[Southern_Bills]

3 hours ago, StHustle said:

Doesnt Bieniemy call the plays? Reid repeatedly gave him credit.

 

He's just trying to get Bieniemy a HC gig, I honestly don't think they miss a beat when/if he leaves.

[GunnerBill]

4 hours ago, StHustle said:

Doesnt Bieniemy call the plays? Reid repeatedly gave him credit.

 

No. Reid calls the plays. He was giving Bieniemy credit because there is a mutual parting of the ways coming and Andy wants everyone to know it isn't performance related.

[GunnerBill]

We did actually change coaches the year Kansas City hired Reid. He made it abundently clear at the time he would not interview here. Ralph was still alive and we were just about the least attractive prospect in the league. 

 

Andy is a great coach. He is the best offensive playcaller in football (maybe in the history of football). But he was the poster boy for "can't get it done in the playoffs". His coaching (especially time management) was directly responsible for multiple playoff meltdowns in Philly and even pre-Mahomes in KC (who can forget the 38-10 lead that turned into defeat in Indy? Or losing to Marcus Mariota?) 

 

1 Superbowl appearance in 19 years. Then give him Mahomes? 3 in 5 years with two wins. 

 

I know the response will be "McDermott is 0 for 5 with Josh" and that of course is correct. He is 0 for 3 with an elite level QB. Of course McDermott isn't as good as Andy Reid. But even Andy Reid had his playoff skeletons in the closet.

 

[Nextmanup]

6 hours ago, Einstein said:

The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books.

Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up?

 

You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year.

Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success.

The funny thing is that for most of his career, Andy Reid was the guy who "couldn't get it done."

 

McDermott is a weak link in the Bills chain.

 

Someone just calculated that Sean Payton, alone, is worth 1 full win per season for Denver a HC.

 

I would suggest McDermott is a MINUS ONE per season.

 

He'll lose you a game (or 2) per season through inept coaching.

 

 

[davefan66]

4 hours ago, FireChans said:

The Chiefs were drafting 27th when Mahomes was taken.

That’s my point. Having Reid would not mean our franchise would have had the same trajectory as the chiefs.

[Billzgobowlin]

Andy Reid is 64

McDermott is 48

 

Give him 16 years and I'm confident he will have two.  Reid got his first at 60 after he was a HC for 19 years.  All of you need to calm down about these comparisons.  McDermott needs to be this team's coach.  There is no better coach for this team right now.  McDermott was a playoff coach his first year here without Josh Allen ending a 17 year drought.  Funny how most don't remember that.  Let's stop with trying to run our coaches out of town.  This team and coaching staff will win it all soon.

[Matt_In_NH]

Usually I roll my eyes at the half time adjustment comments but in the SB you have an extended time to put more work into it.  Generally adjustments happen continually not magically at halftime like gets thrown around all the time.  That is why guys have tablets and talk with the coaches between drives which can be just as much time as a typical halftime.

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books.

Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up?

 

You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year.

Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success.

At least one,  I love how is he aggressive on both sides of the football.  Look how many times they blitz on defence? He does not coach not to lose,  Sean keeping Frazier will forever keep this team down come playoff time.  Reid himself fired Sean because he was too conservative as DC 

[Niagara Dude]

8 hours ago, Einstein said:

The halftime adjustment he made to torment the Philly defense will go down in the history books.

Mahomes doesn’t deserve the MVP award. Reid does. Did you see the last 2 TD passes? How perfectly scripted those were? How wide open he got the pass catcher on BOTH occasions? How Mahomes only had to not screw it up?

 

You guys can all talk about McD’s regular season success. But I envy the Chiefs playoff and Super Bowl success. They even traded a HOF WR and STILL won the SB the next year.

Eagles o-line dominated. Reid still won. Mahomes got hurt. Reid still won. No excuses for Reid. Just success.

Sean is the new Marvin Lewis,  great regular seasons and then flat come playoff time.  Unless he changes his thinking on the defensive side of the ball then it will be tough come playoff time with Mahomes/Burrows in the AFC. I also think Beane needs to start investing more into speed,  you cannot teach speed. Stop drafting high motor unsized guys with average speed, Terrel Bernard is a another classic example.  3rd rounder who is small with average speed,  did he even play this season? Looks like another reach and potential bust. 

[Airseven]

9 hours ago, Einstein said:

 

No doubt that Mahomes is a stud. But he did NOTHING tonight that Allen can’t do. Absolutely nothing. But he has Reid. And Allen doesn’t.

He didn’t turn the ball over. And yes, their pass catchers are schemed open but he puts the ball on them every time. 

[Gregg]

Reid-Spagnuolo-Bieniemy >>>>>>> McDermott, Frazier, Dorsey

Chiefs OL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bills OL

 

These are the two main reasons why Mahomes has 2 and Allen has 0. Taking nothing away from Mahomes as he is the best QB in the league but coaching and OL give him a big advantage. Are the Chiefs really that much better than the Bills. Their D played better than the Bills D in these playoffs. But are they really more talented. At the skill positions on offense, they have one elite level threat in Kelce. We have Diggs. Pacheco is probably better than an RB we have but is it that big of a difference. Coaching and OL are the main reasons why Mahomes was able to lead his team to two Super Bowls while Allen hasn't. IMHO

 

Congrats to the Chiefs. They are the best team in football, and they proved it last night. So, what are the odds the Bills will kick off the season at KC for the opening game. The Bills play at KC (AGAIN) and the Chiefs will open the season at home on TNF for the first game of the year. So, it is possible.

[Repulsif]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

The funny thing is that for most of his career, Andy Reid was the guy who "couldn't get it done."

 

McDermott is a weak link in the Bills chain.

 

Someone just calculated that Sean Payton, alone, is worth 1 full win per season for Denver a HC.

 

I would suggest McDermott is a MINUS ONE per season.

 

He'll lose you a game (or 2) per season through inept coaching.

 

 

 

and unfortunately those minus one generally happen in playoffs

[Einstein]

37 minutes ago, Airseven said:

He didn’t turn the ball over. And yes, their pass catchers are schemed open but he puts the ball on them every time. 

 

No he has some real garbage throws too. He was just behind Allen in INT’s this year and would have been ahead of him if he didn’t have 4 interceptions taken back due to penalty. Mahomes is great, but he did nothing last night that Allen couldn’t.

[nucci]

Chiefs redzone playcalling, players wide open at 5 yd line. Bills redzone playcalling, roll out Allen and hope he makes a play before running out of bounds

[Eastport bills]

Having imaginative offensive play calling is a tremendous advantage in the NFL today. The HC having a real connection to that side of the ball is preferable but not an absolute must. The key is, when evaluating the HCs overall influence on the team, if he’s not an offensive guru does he have a real positive defensive influence on the team. With us, the coach has not put his mark on the way our seasons end in a positive way. He’s been out coached by Reid and Taylor the last 3 seasons and “13 seconds “ was a historic choke job. The players respect and play hard for Sean but to get a championship, it’s not enough.

 

[newcam2012]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

We did actually change coaches the year Kansas City hired Reid. He made it abundently clear at the time he would not interview here. Ralph was still alive and we were just about the least attractive prospect in the league. 

 

Andy is a great coach. He is the best offensive playcaller in football (maybe in the history of football). But he was the poster boy for "can't get it done in the playoffs". His coaching (especially time management) was directly responsible for multiple playoff meltdowns in Philly and even pre-Mahomes in KC (who can forget the 38-10 lead that turned into defeat in Indy? Or losing to Marcus Mariota?) 

 

1 Superbowl appearance in 19 years. Then give him Mahomes? 3 in 5 years with two wins. 

 

I know the response will be "McDermott is 0 for 5 with Josh" and that of course is correct. He is 0 for 3 with an elite level QB. Of course McDermott isn't as good as Andy Reid. But even Andy Reid had his playoff skeletons in the closet.

 

All true. Nice post Gunner. 

Just now, Eastport bills said:

Having imaginative offensive play calling is a tremendous advantage in the NFL today. The HC having a real connection to that side of the ball is preferable but not an absolute must. The key is, when evaluating the HCs overall influence on the team, if he’s not an offensive guru does he have a real positive defensive influence on the team. With us, the coach has not put his mark on the way our seasons end in a positive way. He’s been out coached by Reid and Taylor the last 3 seasons and “13 seconds “ was a historic choke job. The players respect and play hard for Sean but to get a championship, it’s not enough.

 

Spot on.

[DaBillsFanSince1973]

If

 

the biggest two letter word in the dictionary...

[newcam2012]

3 hours ago, Nextmanup said:

The funny thing is that for most of his career, Andy Reid was the guy who "couldn't get it done."

 

McDermott is a weak link in the Bills chain.

 

Someone just calculated that Sean Payton, alone, is worth 1 full win per season for Denver a HC.

 

I would suggest McDermott is a MINUS ONE per season.

 

He'll lose you a game (or 2) per season through inept coaching.

 

 

Pretty harsh but I don't disagree. To be honest, I'm ready to move on from the Bills coaching staff. That includes McD. 

[Einstein]

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

Andy is a great coach. He is the best offensive playcaller in football (maybe in the history of football). But he was the poster boy for "can't get it done in the playoffs".

 

True, but more like “can’t get it done in the Super Bowl”. Which is an upgrade over “can’t even make the Super Bowl”.

 

Sean McDermott just finished year 6 with the Bills. By the end of year 6 in Reid’s head coaching career, he had already coached in a Super Bowl.

 

He also brought Alex Smith to the AFCCG.

 

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

 

1 Superbowl appearance in 19 years. Then give him Mahomes? 3 in 5 years with two wins. 

 

Do you recall any plays last night that Mahomes made that Allen couldn’t?

 

Mahomes had around 140 yards passing going into the fourth quarter. His TD’s we’re scripted plays to receivers with no defender within 10 yards of them.

 

5 hours ago, GunnerBill said:

I know the response will be "McDermott is 0 for 5 with Josh" and that of course is correct. He is 0 for 3 with an elite level QB. 

 

Yep.

1 hour ago, Billzgobowlin said:

Andy Reid is 64

McDermott is 48

 

 

Reid head coached his first Super Bowl at 46.

[colin]

the adjustment to run up the gut for what seemed like 10 yards every first down in the second half won the game for KC.  KC changed what was not working and Philly did not.

 

our coaches are on record saying they don't adjust, they have jumped the shark from dedicated and "process" focused to arrogant and frozen.  13 seconds and not practicing prior to the cinci game so the team could make heart symbols w their hands on tictok are two things no super bowl winning coach has ever done.

[newcam2012]

37 minutes ago, Gregg said:

Reid-Spagnuolo-Bieniemy >>>>>>> McDermott, Frazier, Dorsey

Chiefs OL>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Bills OL

 

These are the two main reasons why Mahomes has 2 and Allen has 0. Taking nothing away from Mahomes as he is the best QB in the league but coaching and OL give him a big advantage. Are the Chiefs really that much better than the Bills. Their D played better than the Bills D in these playoffs. But are they really more talented. At the skill positions on offense, they have one elite level threat in Kelce. We have Diggs. Pacheco is probably better than an RB we have but is it that big of a difference. Coaching and OL are the main reasons why Mahomes was able to lead his team to two Super Bowls while Allen hasn't. IMHO

 

Congrats to the Chiefs. They are the best team in football, and they proved it last night. So, what are the odds the Bills will kick off the season at KC for the opening game. The Bills play at KC (AGAIN) and the Chiefs will open the season at home on TNF for the first game of the year. So, it is possible.

Coaching matters and the Bills are running it back with the current coaches. Shameful

[Gunsgoodtime]

9 hours ago, I am the egg man said:

Maybe a downtown rally to send a message to McBeane is in order?

If that don't work, we breakout the billboards next year!