Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Sal Capaccio put up this useful color coded chart Thoughts on who you'd like back? The big decisions are Tremaine Edmunds and Jordan Poyer IMO. If we possibly can resign them, I want to. Work your magic, Beane The RFAs are all slam-dunks I think. Tyrel Dodson, Dane Jackson, and Cam Lewis all worth a qualifying offer as RFA. Bunch of guys where "it depends" on what they want. Guys I'd like to see back if their contracts are affordable include Tyler Matekavich (ST captain, especially if we move on from Taiwan Jones), Sam Martin (did well as punter), Case Keenum, and AJ Klein. Jordan Philips played well when healthy, but he appeared to impair his own health stupidly trying to extend the plays. He was overpaid for his overall contributions IMO. Shaq Lawson, I thought, played about his best football and would be worth trying to bring back - it'd depend upon what he wants. Rather than bring Saffold back, I would rather see Ike Boettger re-signed to a minimum deal if possible and look for an upgrade on OL in the draft and FA It's also time to look for a change, or at least strong competition, at RT. I think it's time to move on from Taiwan Jones, Jake Kumerow, Tommy Sweeney, most of the OL guys, Jaquan Johnson, and Dean Marlowe. Need upgrades there. 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PetermansRedemption Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I’m not sure I’m too worried about bringing any of these guys back. Jackson, Cam Lewis, Phillips and AJ Klein I’d take back on the extreme cheap. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Let Sweeney go. There. I said it. 2 1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBeaneBandit Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Not. A. Single. One. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAJBobby Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 30 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Sal Capaccio put up this useful color coded chart Thoughts on who you'd like back? The big decisions are Tremaine Edmunds and Jordan Poyer IMO. If we possibly can resign them, I want to. Work your magic, Beane The RFAs are all slam-dunks I think. Tyrel Dodson, Dane Jackson, and Cam Lewis all worth a qualifying offer as RFA. Bunch of guys where "it depends" on what they want. Guys I'd like to see back if their contracts are affordable include Tyler Matekavich (ST captain, especially if we move on from Taiwan Jones), Sam Martin (did well as punter), Case Keenum, and AJ Klein. Jordan Philips played well when healthy, but he appeared to impair his own health stupidly trying to extend the plays. He was overpaid for his overall contributions IMO. Shaq Lawson, I thought, played about his best football and would be worth trying to bring back - it'd depend upon what he wants. Rather than bring Saffold back, I would rather see Ike Boettger re-signed to a minimum deal if possible and look for an upgrade on OL in the draft and FA It's also time to look for a change, or at least strong competition, at RT. I think it's time to move on from Taiwan Jones, Jake Kumerow, Tommy Sweeney, most of the OL guys, Jaquan Johnson, and Dean Marlowe. Need upgrades there. So far I did the OL state Of position group. I am not bringing any of the UFAs back in that group. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 32 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Sal Capaccio put up this useful color coded chart Thoughts on who you'd like back? The big decisions are Tremaine Edmunds and Jordan Poyer IMO. If we possibly can resign them, I want to. Work your magic, Beane The RFAs are all slam-dunks I think. Tyrel Dodson, Dane Jackson, and Cam Lewis all worth a qualifying offer as RFA. Bunch of guys where "it depends" on what they want. Guys I'd like to see back if their contracts are affordable include Tyler Matekavich (ST captain, especially if we move on from Taiwan Jones), Sam Martin (did well as punter), Case Keenum, and AJ Klein. Jordan Philips played well when healthy, but he appeared to impair his own health stupidly trying to extend the plays. He was overpaid for his overall contributions IMO. Shaq Lawson, I thought, played about his best football and would be worth trying to bring back - it'd depend upon what he wants. Rather than bring Saffold back, I would rather see Ike Boettger re-signed to a minimum deal if possible and look for an upgrade on OL in the draft and FA It's also time to look for a change, or at least strong competition, at RT. I think it's time to move on from Taiwan Jones, Jake Kumerow, Tommy Sweeney, most of the OL guys, Jaquan Johnson, and Dean Marlowe. Need upgrades there. Im personally tired of Beanes magic. It has turned out to be quite the turd due to his awful drafting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
H2o Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 34 minutes ago, Beck Water said: Sal Capaccio put up this useful color coded chart Maybe Lawson, Phillips, Martin. Edmunds is going to be too expensive so to the rest 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 29 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Let Sweeney go. There. I said it. Morris has secured TE 3. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Devilmann Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I’d bring back the punter he’s good. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Darragh Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: Morris has secured TE 3. Who exactly is TE2? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victory Formation Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I kind of get the sense that Jordan Phillips has played injured all year, so I would love to have him back at the veteran minimum. I also think that Devin Singletary would be a good option for us at $5M/yr if he’s interested.. Other than that, I think I would let everyone walk. I’m also ecstatic that we have so many free agents on our OL. Good riddance! Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out. Buffalo needs to revamp this unit and then some. 330lbs minimum should be the weight requirement for anyone we draft or bring in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drew21PA Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Edmunds and poyer are gone for sure poyer is gonna hurt 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
beebe Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 the overall roster for 2023 kinda sucks. assuming poyer is gone and hamlin perhaps doesn't return, it's an entirely new safety position with the lone returner being hyde at 33 years old coming off a serious injury. the CBs are fine, but only if Tre White returns to pre injury form. LBs are okay with Milano and Edmunds, but if Edmunds walks it's a bit more uncertain. the DEs/DTs are mostly under contract, but this was a unit that didn't perform to expectations (especially after Von was injured, and he himself will be 34 and coming off an injury.) WR room is trash outside of Diggs, the upside of Shakir not withstanding (increasingly don't think Gabe is a real #2). TE is fine with Knox. RB is meh, nothing special. Offensive line is underwhelming and will need to be rebuilt. QB is great. There's not too many areas of clear strength vs the other elite teams in the AFC imo. The draft classes haven't panned out as you'd hope, which puts a lot of pressure on this year's draft. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrDawkinstein Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Surprisingly not as bad as I was thinking. Not a ton of key people, or like, half the team. The entire OL can walk at this point. This is where Beane has to hit it hard. As hard as it is for me to believe I'm about to say this, hear it goes... You have to pay Tremaine. Agreed on bringing back the back up and ST guys (Keenum, Klein, Martin, Matakevich). The Bills are always better with Shaw and Jordan around. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 We are going to have to borrow from the future just to put a team on the field in 2023. We have so many holes in so many places that when we borrow we do it to at least provide some stability. So I think you have to figure out Edmunds and Poyer. We’re likely a mess without them and cannot afford to spend the draft capital on MLB, SS, and OL. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 3 minutes ago, Dan Darragh said: Who exactly is TE2? TBD or Dawson Knox if we somehow land somebody ridiculously good. Not throwing shade at Knox he's good and his having to cover for a crap O-line all season I think took away from what he could have been as a weapon this year. But we've needed to address TE2 for a while now, if we get one in the draft that somehow miraculously passes him I'm fine with it. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 14 minutes ago, H2o said: Maybe Lawson, Phillips, Martin. Edmunds is going to be too expensive so to the rest 13 minutes ago, Devilmann said: I’d bring back the punter he’s good. 8 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said: Surprisingly not as bad as I was thinking. Not a ton of key people, or like, half the team. The entire OL can walk at this point. This is where Beane has to hit it hard. As hard as it is for me to believe I'm about to say this, hear it goes... You have to pay Tremaine. Agreed on bringing back the back up and ST guys (Keenum, Klein, Martin, Matakevich). The Bills are always better with Shaw and Jordan around. Just let Sam Martin walk... Araiza is still available 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mango Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 1 minute ago, Warcodered said: TBD or Dawson Knox if we somehow land somebody ridiculously good. Not throwing shade at Knox he's good and his having to cover for a crap O-line all season I think took away from what he could have been as a weapon this year. But we've needed to address TE2 for a while now, if we get one in the draft that somehow miraculously passes him I'm fine with it. Daboll, Dorsey, nor Allen seem to have any interest in throwing to one TE with any regularity, let alone 2 TE and TE2 are just unicorns this staff and fan base keep chasing, just like a RB who is a receiving threat. Cook has been good lately and only played like 1/3 of snaps with zero targets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Billzgobowlin Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'm almost wondering if it is better to move on from Morse and just give the Center to Bates. Also I would sign Boettger. As far as the rest give me Cole for another year with him being in the offensive scheme. Yes to Klein, Phillips, Lawson and Marlowe but no one else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warcodered Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Mango said: Daboll, Dorsey, nor Allen seem to have any interest in throwing to one TE with any regularity, let alone 2 TE and TE2 are just unicorns this staff and fan base keep chasing, just like a RB who is a receiving threat. Cook has been good lately and only played like 1/3 of snaps with zero targets. Knox was on what a 5 game TD streak before yesterday? When TE is your solution to your crappy O-line you can't exactly use them as weapons as often. Fixing the O-line is absolutely a priority. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Augie Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Just let Sam Martin walk... Araiza is still available I can’t help but feel sorry for that kid on some level. We don’t know what happened. He may not have done anything worse than act like your common college student while drunk at a party. But now his name will always be linked to that. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 beane better not resign edmunds. if he does that, ill start losing confidence in him 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 2 minutes ago, Augie said: I can’t help but feel sorry for that kid on some level. We don’t know what happened. He may not have done anything worse than act like your common college student while drunk at a party. But now his name will always be linked to that. A lot of people on here just jumped to conclusions and incriminate the person before anything legal is done. It’s the new Cook thing to do this day an age Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malazan Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Philipps and Martin are worth bringing back. Maybe Ike? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 wouldnt mind shaq back, JP (for cheap), tyler, or sam martin back though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LOVEMESOMEBILLS Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 I'd take Ike, Singletary and Lawson back as backups IF the money is right. If not let them all find new teams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 The only names on that list that I'd keep are Edmunds, Poyer, and Martin. ***** the rest. I know, they'll keep the ST'ers like Matakevich, Formosa, etc. But Crowder, Beas, Klein, etc? ***** 'em all. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 31 minutes ago, beebe said: TE is fine with Knox. You know I watch Kittle for SF, Kelce for KC, and even Goeddert for Philly and it's increasingly difficult for me to roll that way. 17 minutes ago, Warcodered said: Knox was on what a 5 game TD streak before yesterday? When TE is your solution to your crappy O-line you can't exactly use them as weapons as often. Fixing the O-line is absolutely a priority. Yeah, if we can't get an OL that can protect better at least get a Lee Smith type TE2 who is a mauler in pass pro and Free Knox Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark Vader Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Jordan Poyer's time is done here. Sad to see him go, but we can't afford to give him big money. I would like to keep Tremaine Edmunds, just hope that we don't have to break the bank to do so. Re-sign Shaq Lawson, he played very good. I'd keep Sam Martin, unless the Bills want someone younger. Back-up players like AJ Klein, Bobby Hart, Ike Boettger & Dean Marlowe can be kept on the cheap. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freddie's Dead Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 25 minutes ago, Sherlock Holmes said: Just let Sam Martin walk... Araiza is still available Oh no you din't just say Araipza! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ngbills Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Poyer and Edmunds are the only ones that create holes to fill. The rest are essentially replaceable with any NFL level player. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianmoorman4jesus Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 There probably isn’t a single FA I’d care if we lost 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 8 minutes ago, Beck Water said: You know I watch Kittle for SF, Kelce for KC, and even Goeddert for Philly and it's increasingly difficult for me to roll that way. Yeah, if we can't get an OL that can protect better at least get a Lee Smith type TE2 who is a mauler in pass pro and Free Knox I hated when we let Smith go. He was like a 3rd tackle that helped with the run game, pass protection and would even sneak out and catch a pass once in a while. Was a whipping boy here but I felt he was valuable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheyCallMeAndy Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Bold prediction: Poyer tests the market, signs with Buffalo on a cheap 1 year deal before TC starts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GETTOTHE50 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 i need new players to be mad at and start threads over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
billsfan89 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Poyer, Edumonds, Martin, Singletary, Shaq, J Phillips and possibly one or two of the ST players are worth resigning. But I think Poyer is too expensive and more likely to breakdown. Edumonds to me is going to be worth a big contract. Still fairly young and coming off his best season he is worth trying to sign to a backloaded contract. The rest are more so role players worth having around at the right cost. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 Bring Poyer back. Sign some cheap decent guys to replace the rest. Focus all efforst on O line and another stud receiver. Its time this team puts its resources where it matters.... on the side of the ball that scores points. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted January 23, 2023 Author Share Posted January 23, 2023 45 minutes ago, MAJBobby said: So far I did the OL state Of position group. I am not bringing any of the UFAs back in that group. I think you want to have a line that can taking the field (even if you want to improve it) before hitting FA then the draft. IMHO Boettger coming off an injury should be pretty cheap, though with him being inactive I don't know how they see him. 19 minutes ago, Toledo Bill said: I hated when we let Smith go. He was like a 3rd tackle that helped with the run game, pass protection and would even sneak out and catch a pass once in a while. Was a whipping boy here but I felt he was valuable. I don't remember Lee Smith being a "whipping boy" here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sherlock Holmes Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 37 minutes ago, Freddie's Dead said: Oh no you din't just say Araipza! I did...he kicks farther and better than anybody in the NFL let alone Martin. If you're going to punt it at the end of every drive in the playoffs might as well have a game changer doing it... he gives people problems fielding as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toledo Bill Posted January 23, 2023 Share Posted January 23, 2023 19 minutes ago, Beck Water said: I think you want to have a line that can taking the field (even if you want to improve it) before hitting FA then the draft. IMHO Boettger coming off an injury should be pretty cheap, though with him being inactive I don't know how they see him. I don't remember Lee Smith being a "whipping boy" here? I’m of the age where my memory may be slipping but I thought I remembered it that way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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