Derek Carr to Baltimore?

[SoCal Deek]

The situation sounds ripe for a QB swap like we saw with Stafford and Goff. So, Lamar to Las Vegas and Carr to Baltimore. Both of these guys clearly need a change of scenery! 

[KDIGGZ]

8 hours ago, Governor said:

Having Lamar requires the franchise to be all in and hire certain coaches, draft certain players, etc. and I just never thought the Ravens would resign him. Time for a reboot. Look at how much the team did to make it work. It’s been years now.

 

People in general have terrible instincts. This was pretty easy to see coming 2 years ago.

Pretty easy to see coming prior to drafting him you mean. I didn't want the Bills to draft him because you have to play a certain style of offense with certain perssonel and a certain OC (Roman) similar to what we were already doing with Tyrod and I was sick of it. You are basically running a high school offense. And then you have to pray to God that he doesn't get injured with how often he runs. We tried to warn people he was only going to be good for so long.

 

Most RB's decline by 30 and that's exactly how I see LamaRB's career going. Whoever pays him big guaranteed money is going to be bummed when he only makes it 5 out of those 7 years and of the 5 he's oft injured and missing playoff games. I'm sure he will have 1-2 more really good seasons so it might look like a good idea at first but once he can't run he's not a threat anymore.

Edited January 14, 2023 by KDIGGZ

[BillsFan130]

5 hours ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

QB always holds the cards. Only card Baltimore holds is where they trade him if Lamar decides not to play for them.

If he holds out and the Baltimore doesn’t want to trade him, Lamar loses out on like 40 million.

 

That would be a lose/lose scenario, but at the end of the day the Owner always holds the cards.

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Never thought I'd see that, but now, maybe.

 

Lamar is really good, but the Cousins contract showed that even with a good QB you don't want to fully guarantee a contract.

 

Carr to Baltimore would be interesting.

 

Lamar's situation is why sometimes you really do need an agent. Not everyone, and not all the time. But sometimes and for some people.

Given his dubious faculties (13), I'd say Lamar DEFINITELY needs an agent. 

[machine gun kelly]

10 hours ago, RyanC883 said:

I’d take Carr and draft a QB.   

 

He’d have to be cut first and then Baltimore can give him a contract he’s worth.  If a trade, they are giving a draft pick, paying him $33 mil. Next year and $40 after that year.

[TheBeaneBandit]

11 hours ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

Lamar>Carr 

You're just saying that because they are both black lol

[Epstein's Mother]

12 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Given his dubious faculties (13), I'd say Lamar DEFINITELY needs an agent. 

 

Not much to add here.  I just like to say Wonderlic.

[billsfan89]

10 hours ago, Thurman#1 said:

 

 

Never thought I'd see that, but now, maybe.

 

Lamar is really good, but the Cousins contract showed that even with a good QB you don't want to fully guarantee a contract.

 

Carr to Baltimore would be interesting.

 

Lamar's situation is why sometimes you really do need an agent. Not everyone, and not all the time. But sometimes and for some people.

As a football player in the NFL you need an agent, these deals are so complex that not having a seasoned agent will only hurt you. Whenever I see a player negotiating a deal without an agent most times the player ends up on the short end of the stick

[Seventeen]

 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

9 hours ago, Special K said:

 

I'm thinking:

 

Carr to Washington

 

Rodgers to 49ers

 

Garrapolo to Raiders

 

Brady retires(again) or 49ers if they can't pull off a Rodgers move

 

Lamar franchised by Ravens....trade likely

 

 

This may be wishful thinking that none end up either with Jets or Miami.

 

I'd be kind of surprised to see Rogers go anywhere.  I think he'll either stay in Green Bay or retire.  Not sure too with his contract if worth any team trading for him unless bad team just trying to sell tickets.

[mannc]

11 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Baltimore still holds the cards with Lamar.

They can franchise him twice if they need to.

Would that piss him off? Absolutely.
 

But if they don’t reach a long term deal he can technically still be on the Ravens for 2 more years

Perfect.  Two more seasons is about Lamar’s shelf-life.

[CoudyBills]

11 hours ago, Kenosha2Buffalo said:

Lamar>Carr 

Agreed, but Carr is available.

[maddenboy]

10 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Lamar getting an MVP really screwed the Ravens Lamar.

Fixed.

 

MVP caused him to think he could lever that into a mega payday.  This is where an agent could disabuse him of that notion.

9 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

"Boo-boo foot" = snide nickname for Sammy Watkins when he was on the Bills. 

 

 

Isnt Jairus Byrd the original Boo-Boo foot for his phantom plantar fasciaitis (sp?)?

[SinceThe70s]

1 hour ago, PatsFanNH said:

Jimmy G is to injury prone. Has he played a full season ever?

 

Carr is who he is, he is 15-20 rank QB but with the Jets D he be good enough to challenge the Bills for the conference. Dolphins D isn’t that good they would regress.

 

Brady — to the Jets would be scary he only have to be 2001 Brady and not make mistakes. Jets be hard to beat.  Miami be the second best in the division and perhaps challenge the Bills for the division. But a 1 maybe 2 year thing at best.. 

 

Jimmy G has been to a Super Bowl. Personally I don't buy into the injury-prone narrative for any player. I think he is the perfect fit for the Jets next year - but I wouldn't commit to him long term. Of course that might not be possible.

 

Completely agree wrt Carr - he's been that guy that's just good enough to keep around. But he would also be a major upgrade for the Jets and could possibly be their Brad Johnson. Personally I'd steer clear.

 

No way in hell Brady ever plays for the Jets. Even though it might be cool for John Edward Thomas Moynihan.

[Nextmanup]

How about Derek Carr to Miami?  It looks increasingly like Tua will not play next year, as he absolutely should not!

 

They're going to need a QB too, hence the Brady reports.  

[Buffalo_Stampede]

1 hour ago, BillsFan130 said:

If he holds out and the Baltimore doesn’t want to trade him, Lamar loses out on like 40 million.

 

That would be a lose/lose scenario, but at the end of the day the Owner always holds the cards.

Baltimore has way more to lose.

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

Carr, Jimmy G, and Brady assuming Brady plays, have to think the three of them end up in some combination of Miami, NY Jets, and Las Vegas. We know one for sure won't be in Las Vegas. It does feel like if the Ravens move off of Lamar he will end up with one of those three teams as well. Ravens on the surface feel like not that great a destination for a QB but they are by far the best run franchise out of Jets, Miami, Las Vegas and Baltimore.

[BarleyNY]

12 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Baltimore still holds the cards with Lamar.

They can franchise him twice if they need to.

Would that piss him off? Absolutely.
 

But if they don’t reach a long term deal he can technically still be on the Ravens for 2 more years

The longer this drags on, the more power Lamar has in the situation - unless he plays under the FT and has a catastrophic injury. If he’s truly slow playing coming back from injury now, he’d certainly play games with the tag. He could wait on signing it until just prior to the regular season (or we’ll into the season) or simply refuse to sign it and demand to be traded. 

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

Baltimore has way more to lose.

Why? They can sit on him until he either plays or they find great trade value.

 

I would say Lamar has way more to lose if he wants to sit out and lose 40 mil 

[Mr. WEO]

I'm here for the fresh Lamar Jackson takes.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

37 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

Why? They can sit on him until he either plays or they find great trade value.

 

I would say Lamar has way more to lose if he wants to sit out and lose 40 mil 

They’d have to eat up a large amount of the cap and they also won’t have a QB. 
 

Jackson controls everything. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by Buffalo_Stampede

[BillsFan130]

8 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They’d have to the cap space available and they won’t have a QB. 
 

Jackson controls everything. 

Technically he doesn’t control anything though as the ravens can franchise him twice and there is absolutely nothing Lamar can do about it if the ravens don’t want to trade him.

 

It’s a lose/lose scenario. But my point is the ravens, not Lamar, has the final say on what they want to do with him.

[Buffalo_Stampede]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

Technically he doesn’t control anything though as the ravens can franchise him twice and there is absolutely nothing Lamar can do about it if the ravens don’t want to trade him.

 

It’s a lose/lose scenario. But my point is the ravens, not Lamar, has the final say on what they want to do with him.

They aren’t going to franchise Lamar Jackson and force him to sit out if Jackson doesn’t want to be there.

 

The Ravens can forfeit an entire season if they want but they won’t. QB is too important a position. Too expensive. 
 

The only way the Ravens hold the cards is if no other team wants Jackson at the price Jackson wants.

[BillsFan130]

1 minute ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They aren’t going to franchise Lamar Jackson and force him to sit out if Jackson doesn’t want to be there.

 

The Ravens can forfeit an entire season if they want but they won’t. QB is too important a position. Too expensive. 
 

The only way the Ravens hold the cards is if no other team wants Jackson at the price Jackson wants.

They probably won’t, I’m not saying that 

 

But they also won’t give him away for a less than ideal trade just cause Lamar wants out.

 

My overall point is the ravens CAN play hardball if they want, and at the end of the day it’s their decision what they want to do with Lamar

[bobobonators]

Fans can be the absolute worst. Lamar is among league leaders in winning % in the last few years and has already won an MVP and I think has been in the playoffs every season since he came to the NFL. He’s entering his prime and people on here are giving him crap nonstop. Now people questioning his work ethic/injury status lol like people on Internet forums are there with him rehabbing and meeting with doctors and team trainers.
 

Constant, nonstop negativity from so many of you, talking out of your a$$es about matters you know nothing of. The HC came out and publicly stated Lamar wants to play but nah, folks on a message board know better.

 

“Y’all little jobs” Sammy Watkins is more reliable than Harbaugh. 
 

And the fact that Carr is somehow looked at with higher regard than Lamar is telling for some of you around here. Lamar accomplished more in 2 seasons than Carr has in his entire below average career. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by bobobonators

[BuffaloBills1998]

I’m still sticking to my theory that Carr lands in Miami. No state tax, two WR’s that combined for 3,000 yards and a better HC who I think he would get along with very well.

[Niagara]

14 hours ago, unbillievable said:

Lamar getting an MVP really screwed the Ravens.

He is always hurt and not smart or well spoken. He is a franchise trap. Beware!!! 

[Buffalo_Stampede]

2 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

They probably won’t, I’m not saying that 

 

But they also won’t give him away for a less than ideal trade just cause Lamar wants out.

 

My overall point is the ravens CAN play hardball if they want, and at the end of the day it’s their decision what they want to do with Lamar

They won’t just give him away. They’d get a ransom for him. That’s what I’m talking about though. The Ravens won’t just sit on an asset like that. You sign him to what he wants or you trade him.

[PatsFanNH]

34 minutes ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They won’t just give him away. They’d get a ransom for him. That’s what I’m talking about though. The Ravens won’t just sit on an asset like that. You sign him to what he wants or you trade him.

See I think you’re wrong about “Asset”. Jackson is known for his legs and making huge plays running the ball, the last 2 years he has had knee injuries. ANY team should see those as red flags that his career is going to be a lot shorter than most here expect. I’d say he will be around maybe another 4-5 years if his knee issues keep happening.. and that’s on the l on g side.

[DrDawkinstein]

I see Carr a best fit in Seattle. He's better then Wilson but needs the coaching of Carrol. And he's a west coast kid.

 

Lamar get tagged and traded to Atlanta or maybe Miami.

 

Not sure what the Ravens do in the meantime, but likely a vet "bridge" QB. Maybe Jimmy G but likely more a 2nd tier guy so there is a clear path for whoever they draft next.

[BillsFan130]

1 hour ago, Buffalo_Stampede said:

They won’t just give him away. They’d get a ransom for him. That’s what I’m talking about though. The Ravens won’t just sit on an asset like that. You sign him to what he wants or you trade him.

The point was “Lamar holds the cards though”.

 

He doesn’t. Ravens will only trade him if there is a move that directly benefits the ravens organization. 

 

He’s on a rookie contract  so it’s not like Lamar can hold a gun to their throats and tell them where he wants to go.

 

Ravens can decide IF and WHO they want to trade him to. The billionaire owner holds the cards

 

 

 

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by BillsFan130

[DrDawkinstein]

Just now, BillsFan130 said:

The point was “Lamar holds the cards though”.

 

He doesn’t. Ravens will only trade him if there is a move that directly benefits the ravens organization. 

 

He also has a no trade clause, so it’s not like Lamar can hold a gun to their throats and tell them where he wants to go.

 

Ravens can decide IF and WHO they want to trade him to. The billionaire owner holds the cards, not Lamar.

 

 

 

 

 

A no-trade clause benefits the player who does get control over where they go. Additionally, any team that is going to trade multiple 1sts for him will only complete the trade after working out a long term deal with Lamar. So if he doesnt want to go to that team, he doesnt sign a deal.

 

Neither side holds "all" the cards. Each have a few cards they can play. If they both play them right then Lamar ends up on another team, where he wants to be playing, for a high $ deal, and the Ravens end up with a pile of draft picks.

 

Hence why I think he'll end up either in Atlanta or Miami. Two places he'd be willing to go, and two teams with the resources and desperation to land a new franchise QB and pay him a ton of money.

[BillsFan130]

4 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

A no-trade clause benefits the player who does get control over where they go. Additionally, any team that is going to trade multiple 1sts for him will only complete the trade after working out a long term deal with Lamar. So if he doesnt want to go to that team, he doesnt sign a deal.

 

Neither side holds "all" the cards. Each have a few cards they can play. If they both play them right then Lamar ends up on another team, where he wants to be playing, for a high $ deal, and the Ravens end up with a pile of draft picks.

 

Hence why I think he'll end up either in Atlanta or Miami. Two places he'd be willing to go, and two teams with the resources and desperation to land a new franchise QB and pay him a ton of money.

I edited the no trade clause after I typed it, it was a typo on my end.

 

I meant to say he’s on a rookie contract so it’s not like he can decide where he wants to go. 

Edited January 14, 2023 by BillsFan130

[DrDawkinstein]

8 minutes ago, BillsFan130 said:

I edited the no trade clause after I typed it, it was a typo on my end.

 

I meant to say he’s on a rookie contract so it’s not like he can decide where he wants to go. 

 

Ah, gotcha. I dont see the difference with the rookie contract, but regardless... His current contract doesnt matter. He has a bit of power by deciding whether or not he wants to do a long term deal with the potential trade partner. No team is trading multiple 1sts just for a 1-year rental on the tag.

[BuffaloBills1998]

59 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

I see Carr a best fit in Seattle. He's better then Wilson but needs the coaching of Carrol. And he's a west coast kid.

 

Lamar get tagged and traded to Atlanta or maybe Miami.

 

Not sure what the Ravens do in the meantime, but likely a vet "bridge" QB. Maybe Jimmy G but likely more a 2nd tier guy so there is a clear path for whoever they draft next.

Seattle just announced Geno smith is sticking around. 

[BillsFan130]

11 minutes ago, DrDawkinstein said:

 

Ah, gotcha. I dont see the difference with the rookie contract, but regardless... His current contract doesnt matter. He has a bit of power by deciding whether or not he wants to do a long term deal with the potential trade partner. No team is trading multiple 1sts just for a 1-year rental on the tag.

You make some fair points overall.

 

I think both sides like you said have some power.

 

I guess my point overall is the ravens have the final say on what they want to do. 

[RocCityRoller]

Carr will find a few good places and situations he could land.

 

Ravens - for all the reasons noted in the thread

Dolphins - offensive coach, great weapons, playoff team, offensive minded coach

Jets - team has a great defense, something he did not have with the Raiders. Good young weapons, Hall/ Carter etc to take pressure off of passing game

Seahawks - good weapons, West Coast, weaker conference, steady coach, rebuilt OL, Walker balances offense

 

Depends on what Carr wants to do at this stage of his career.

[cle23]

17 hours ago, Special K said:

On PTI, Kornheiser half-jokingly suggested to Wilbon that his Bears should trade Fields and the #1 pick to the Ravens for Lamar....not a fan of LJ, but I think the Ravens would have to consider it at this point.

 

Would contract consider that though? Fields plus a boatload of picks > Jackson and a huge conteact.

[JerseyBills]

18 hours ago, BillsFan130 said:

Baltimore still holds the cards with Lamar.

They can franchise him twice if they need to.

Would that piss him off? Absolutely.
 

But if they don’t reach a long term deal he can technically still be on the Ravens for 2 more years

I'd tag him and trade him for a bunch of draft capital if a deal can't be reached

 

I'd do this if I was GM regardless. Forget a deal, I'll take a boatload of picks instead

 

Edited January 14, 2023 by JerseyBills

[That's No Moon]

1 hour ago, BuffaloBills1998 said:

Seattle just announced Geno smith is sticking around. 

We'll see how long that stays after they get rolled today.