Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[Beck Water]

2 hours ago, Logic said:

2.) The "You Can Call Me Al" ringtone busting out mid press conference was awesome, and brought much needed smiles and laughter and a release of tension to the room.

 

Seeing Josh crack a genuine smile at that and then McDermott smile and quip "at least it was a happy song" was my fave moment.

 

2 hours ago, Ethan in Cleveland said:

Anyone know what question McD would not comment on?  The audio for the reporters questions is so bad.  I almost never watch these anymore.

 

I Hear That

 

I'm pretty sure it was something about what the NFL wanted them to do or what the NFL said to them about playing on Sunday.  McDermott said "I'm not going to get into that".

 

I'm pretty sure that McDermott's decision tree for playing on Sunday looks like this:

 

Am I confident my players are emotionally mentally and physically ready to take the field?  -> Yes -> Play

 

Anything else?  -> Go take a long walk off a short bridge

Edited January 6, 2023 by Beck Water

[YoloinOhio]

 

[TheBrownBear]

44 minutes ago, Bob Jones said:

 And of course you would think running backs and wide receivers/tight ends would be most at risk, since they overwhelmingly take the most shots to the chest. 

Not really.  Skill players typically have the ball in their hands (ball, hands and arms are in front of their chests) and are bracing themselves before a hit.  They don't tend to take defenseless chest shots.  It absolutely makes sense that this would most likely happen to a defender with arms wide open, attempting to wrap up a ball carrier who is coming straight downhill at him.  The other thing I could see is a quarterback getting speared in the chest by a headfirst defender as he's releasing the ball (like the Milano hit on White - though that was clean obviously). 

[WotAGuy]

Did anyone catch what Sean was describing when he talked about Josh texting him something from social media?  Something related to what would be spoken between Damar and his Mom?

[GaryPinC]

55 minutes ago, pennstate10 said:

 

Huh...

 

As stated, I think that your linked video was a good general explanation of commotio cordis and potential complications and therapies.

 

I disagreed with your analysis with respect to Hamlin, as quoted here:

 

"This video is great as it confirms the diagnosis, but it really does a fantastic job showing the complications from cpr;the possible development of acute respiratory distress syndrome associated with cardiac arrest ;  he mentions two resuscitation attempts; he shows the changes in the lungs on X-ray and why 100% oxygen was needed"

 

 1)  Diagnosis of CC wasnt confirmed, in fact, Cincy ICU docs specifically stated that they have more evaluation to do before arriving at a dx.  CC is a diagnosis of exclusion.  I'm not saying that CC isnt the correct diagnosis.  But have the docs ruled out hypertrophic cardiomyopathy, for instance?  This can be difficult to rule out without genetic testing and stress echocardiograms. Hard to do a stress echo on an intubated patient.

 

2) There werent 2 resuscitation attempts.

 

3)  The CXR shown wasnt Hamlin's, but an example of a patient with ARDS (who in all likelihood didnt have CC).

 

Are you a physician?  I am.  Most docs I know are careful with their words, and would never state a diagnosis was confirmed based on what TV docs were speculating.

 

Great news that Damar is awake and communicating.  Thats really, really promising re: neurologic status.  Hopefully they will be able to extubate him soon.  

Thanks for your input. I was curious, why would Hamlin need a stress echo to diagnose hypertrophy?  If it had progressed to the point it contributed to the fatal arrhythmia on a routine hit, wouldn't it show up on routine echo wall dimensions and FS/EF measurements?

[YoloinOhio]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

Did anyone catch what Sean was describing when he talked about Josh texting him something from social media?  Something related to what would be spoken between Damar and his Mom?

 

[JGMcD2]

1 minute ago, WotAGuy said:

Did anyone catch what Sean was describing when he talked about Josh texting him something from social media?  Something related to what would be spoken between Damar and his Mom?

Damar’s mom getting to show him all the donations made to his charity. 

[wppete]

Just now, WotAGuy said:

Did anyone catch what Sean was describing when he talked about Josh texting him something from social media?  Something related to what would be spoken between Damar and his Mom?

I think he was refuting to how much money was raised for his charity. His mom will show him the response and love from the world for him and his charity. I think. 

[YoloinOhio]

15 minutes ago, wppete said:

I think he was refuting to how much money was raised for his charity. His mom will show him the response and love from the world for him and his charity. I think. 

Yes

[BRH]

I don't know if you guys caught the part where McD was listing the coaches he'd talked with since Monday who had gone through "similar" situations.  He mentioned Joe Gibbs, Romeo Crennel, Mike Tomlin, and another that I can't recall at the moment.  The name he didn't mention was Andy Reid.  I thought that was interesting, given that they previously worked together and the Chiefs had the Jovan Belcher situation.

[freddyjj]

12 minutes ago, BRH said:

I don't know if you guys caught the part where McD was listing the coaches he'd talked with since Monday who had gone through "similar" situations.  He mentioned Joe Gibbs, Romeo Crennel, Mike Tomlin, and another that I can't recall at the moment.  The name he didn't mention was Andy Reid.  I thought that was interesting, given that they previously worked together and the Chiefs had the Jovan Belcher situation.

Reid was not coach of Chiefs in 2012, Romeo Crennel was.  Reid became KC coach in 2013

[Riverboat Ritchie]

1 hour ago, YoloinOhio said:

 

So relieved and thrilled for this kid that he gets another shot.  Out of curiosity though, I wonder if they saved that piece of paper he wrote on?  Be something great to go in a stadium, museum or just for family to keep. 

[Shemp]

Interesting read about the social phenomena of Hamlin's injury and other events like it. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/foolish-to-think-damar-hamlin-incident-will-bring-civility-to-nfl/

[BRH]

22 minutes ago, freddyjj said:

Reid was not coach of Chiefs in 2012, Romeo Crennel was.  Reid became KC coach in 2013

Huh. 10 years of my life went by just like that.  I could have sworn it wasn’t that long ago.  Oops. 

[North Buffalo]

3 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

We've learned something this week about how the NFL has put resources in place and trained and before each game in each stadium, holds a preparedness meeting for just this medical true emergency - which has never actually occurred on a professional football field since...1971?

 

So these guys on the training staff stay current, year after year, skills they hope they'll never have to use.  They and the physicians and opponent's staff talk through, week after week, roles and responsibilities and protocols and procedures that again, they hope they'll never have to use.

 

Well, Monday, they had to implement those never used protocols and test those never used skills, and it all worked like a well-oiled Swiss watch.

 

They have to be proud.

Not to nit pick but these guys do use these procedures and protocols often... though not on a football field before 70,000 fans... they do it in the field of life... EMTs regularly handle all kinds of traumatic events and during covid often in futility.  It was gratifying to see these trained professionals work so efficiently and show folks in the stands that see incredible runs and catches weekly how we in the medical front lines perform every day... Off to work my shift in an ER

7 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:

Interesting read about the social phenomena of Hamlin's injury and other events like it. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/foolish-to-think-damar-hamlin-incident-will-bring-civility-to-nfl/

True especially coming from the Ripert Murdoch NY Post

[AlfaBill]

11 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:

Interesting read about the social phenomena of Hamlin's injury and other events like it. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/foolish-to-think-damar-hamlin-incident-will-bring-civility-to-nfl/

 

12 minutes ago, Blah Blah said:

Interesting read about the social phenomena of Hamlin's injury and other events like it. 

 

https://nypost.com/2023/01/05/foolish-to-think-damar-hamlin-incident-will-bring-civility-to-nfl/

Good read. Can’t say I disagree with much 

[appoo]

This man’s heart stopped 4 nights ago. I am so happily amazed and thankful right now 

[Blank Stare]

5 hours ago, Since1981 said:

That one Buffalo reporter asks silliness each week. To UC MDs. “What did they do on field that was detrimental to Hamlin”.  Docs look puzzled because the Buff dude doesn’t even know the meaning of the word, apparently. 

I heard when Muki asked that and cringed. I think he meant to say “instrumental” but I can’t be sure. That said, I’ll definitely cut Muki some slack. It’s basically a national press conference with a lot of eyes and ears. Probably got a little mixed up. Who among us hasn’t made a mistake?

[Beck Water]

31 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Not to nit pick but these guys do use these procedures and protocols often...

 

The Buffalo Bills training staff?

 

Um, No.    Denny Kellington, the Bills Assistant Trainer who performed initial CPR?  Unless he's been a combat medic or the like, probably has never done it for reals before.  Looks like he's kind of moved from college team to college team as a trainer and then to the Bills.

 

The paramedics and EMTs and the airway management specialist physician and the emergency medicine doc - of course you're correct.

 

 My point: the NFL has set out these protocols in which the First Responders are the athletic trainers, who run out on the field and assess dents and dings and even neurological trauma all the time, but whose experience with an actual ABC true emergency is nil - and in which they have 1 meeting a week to discuss how they'll work together with the EMS professionals.

 

They had the protocols setting out roles and responsibilities, but they had never been actually used IRL

 

And they worked seamlessly, with the less-experienced First Responder athletic trainers correctly identifying the emergency and doing all the right things.

 

31 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

though not on a football field before 70,000 fans... they do it in the field of life... EMTs regularly handle all kinds of traumatic events and during covid often in futility.  It was gratifying to see these trained professionals work so efficiently and show folks in the stands that see incredible runs and catches weekly how we in the medical front lines perform every day... Off to work my shift in an ER

 

May you be bored!

[Buffalo Ballin]

No one circles the wagons like the Buffalo Bills.

 

"Did we win?"

 

I love Damar Hamlin. Kid is a fighter. A competitor. Doesn't sound like he wants to "forfeit" anything.

 

Sorry, forfeit boys. That option is off the table.

[Franco_92]

6 minutes ago, TheProcess said:

I heard when Muki asked that and cringed. I think he meant to say “instrumental” but I can’t be sure. That said, I’ll definitely cut Muki some slack. It’s basically a national press conference with a lot of eyes and ears. Probably got a little mixed up. Who among us hasn’t made a mistake?

He didn't get a little mixed up, he just isn't particularly sharp. He's a good guy, but that's no reason to ignore the elephant lol

[Big Turk]

2 hours ago, wppete said:

I think he was refuting to how much money was raised for his charity. His mom will show him the response and love from the world for him and his charity. I think. 

 

I think you mean referring?

[North Buffalo]

21 minutes ago, Beck Water said:

 

The Buffalo Bills training staff?

 

Um, No.    Denny Kellington, the Bills Assistant Trainer who performed initial CPR?  Unless he's been a combat medic or the like, probably has never done it for reals before.  Looks like he's kind of moved from college team to college team as a trainer and then to the Bills.

 

The paramedics and EMTs and the airway management specialist physician and the emergency medicine doc - of course you're correct.

 

 My point: the NFL has set out these protocols in which the First Responders are the athletic trainers, who run out on the field and assess dents and dings and even neurological trauma all the time, but whose experience with an actual ABC true emergency is nil - and in which they have 1 meeting a week to discuss how they'll work together with the EMS professionals.

 

They had the protocols setting out roles and responsibilities, but they had never been actually used IRL

 

And they worked seamlessly, with the less-experienced First Responder athletic trainers correctly identifying the emergency and doing all the right things.

 

 

May you be bored!

Ill bet he has a 2nd job or worked in the field for many years... plus you have recertify in BLS every year or two.

[Beck Water]

4 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Ill bet he has a 2nd job or worked in the field for many years... plus you have recertify in BLS every year or two.

 

I'll bet he's been an assistant trainer or trainer with a sports team since college.  Sure, you certify and recertify - doesn't mean CPR is something he's done ever for-reals, much less regularly.  That was my point.  The NFL had a theoretical plan mixing athletic trainers with EMS professionals.  It had never been tested.  It worked.

 

May you be bored! (on your ER shift)

[North Buffalo]

Yeh I guess its a bit different seeing it regularly... but that training is ingrained... check breathing airway, clear it, check pulse do CPR until relieved... 30 chest compression 2 breaths... chest compressions are most important.

[Blank Stare]

37 minutes ago, arcane said:

He didn't get a little mixed up, he just isn't particularly sharp. He's a good guy, but that's no reason to ignore the elephant lol

Maybe. It’s possible he genuinely didn’t know. I will say I listen to every player presser each week (typically avoid the coordinators and McDs - love McD but he really has mastered the art of saying nothing) and Muki is one of the more engaging reporters on the local beat. While occasionally corny, he brings a bit of energy and levity to the pressers with some of his player question intros. His questions are usually decent and the players seem to open up and appreciate him. Just because the guy makes a single mistake in a moment where nerves could easily have played a factor isn’t an indictment of his overall intelligence. Just my opinion, but, what you’re suggesting could just as well be true. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by TheProcess

[The Wiz]

9 minutes ago, North Buffalo said:

Yeh I guess its a bit different seeing it regularly... but that training is ingrained... check breathing airway, clear it, check pulse do CPR until relieved... 30 chest compression 2 breaths... chest compressions are most important.

Am I old or just not remembering correctly?  Or both.  I remember only having to do 5 compressions for my lifeguard training in HS.

Edited January 6, 2023 by The Wiz

[Beck Water]

5 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Am I old or just not remembering correctly?  Or both.  I remember only having to do 5 compressions for my lifeguard training in HS.

 

Yeah, CPR has changed a lot since I first certified 44 years ago.  5 compressions 2 breaths was the standard for 2-man CPR back then.  Now there is no 2 man CPR.

 

[North Buffalo]

8 minutes ago, The Wiz said:

Am I old or just not remembering correctly?  Or both.  I remember only having to do 5 compressions for my lifeguard training in HS.

Protocols change now 30 at a time... check pulse 2 breaths

[wppete]

50 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

I think you mean referring?

Apple auto correct at it again. 😂 

[NickelCity]

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/sports/football/damar-hamlin-response-audio-recording.html

 

Good read and interesting listen. Thank God for the medical staff.

[rusty shackleford]

I’ve been following all of this except for the few past pages so I apologize if this has already been stated: it’s such a positive bit of info that he asked who won the game. That means that he understood he was playing a football game leading up to the injury. So many people get knocked out from a lot less serious injuries and don’t even remember that day or several days leading up to it.

 

The fact that he realized he was in a football game up to the point of going unconscious is such a positive sign for his brain being in good shape and in position for a good recovery.

[BigAl2526]

I've gone through training for CPR training both with breathing and compressions only.  I guess the simplified it because too many people screwed it up when trying to do both, and the no breathing method works.

 

I had thought that once Hamlin turned the corner, his recovery would be pretty quick.  I don't really think he'll be back for the playoffs at all, but if he chooses to continue his career, I think he'll probably be able to do most of his off season routine and will be back at training camp next summer.  I heard the doctors said that once he's breathing on his own, he could probably leave the hospital pretty quickly.

Edited January 6, 2023 by BigAl2526

[Dr.Sack]

Everything since the injury has felt like a daydreamed nightmare until today. 

[Dr Krentist]

31 minutes ago, NickelCity said:

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/01/05/sports/football/damar-hamlin-response-audio-recording.html

 

Good read and interesting listen. Thank God for the medical staff.

 

Is there a way to read it without the subscription?

[NickelCity]

2 minutes ago, Dr Krentist said:

 

Is there a way to read it without the subscription?

 

Try opening it in a different browser where you might not have hit your free article limit. 

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, North Buffalo said:

Protocols change now 30 at a time... check pulse 2 breaths

Yep, took a CPR certification class today. 100-120 compressions per minute. 
Well, I mean yesterday. Dang having to get up to use the bathroom. 

Edited January 6, 2023 by atlbillsfan1975

[Bad Things]

[CorkScrewHill]

Interview with Colts S Rodney Thomas high school teammate of Damar .. he visited Damar before he woke up .. and the emotion shows the weight that the players were feeling before he woke up. I found it very powerful.

 

 

4 hours ago, Dr Krentist said:

 

Is there a way to read it without the subscription?

CNN has the audio for free. It was Greek to me .. but some of you might understand it and find it interesting.

 

https://www.cnn.com/videos/sports/2023/01/06/damar-hamlin-collapse-emt-audio-ctn-contd-vpx.cnn

[CorkScrewHill]

I didn't see the full Dane Jackson / Mitch Morris press conference 28 minutes long. Great insights.