Damar Hamlin - Now (1/11/2023) discharged from Buf Gen & “recovering at home”

[Steptide]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Could go that way or you could have some traumatized players wondering if they’re going to die when they get hit.  I’m not prepared to predict any reactions.  Human minds and motivations are complex.

I agree. That's why I hope they can rally and get back to "normal". This team and coaching staff are a strong bunch and think they'll rally when the time is right 

[DasNootz]

6 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

Just saw a really good point  - if they announce immediately that the game is postponed, the emergency vehicles now have to deal with prohibitive traffic when seconds count.

0% chance this factored into the decision.  They wouldn't make that call until after the ambulance had left.  They would have a good head start on stadium traffic and likely a police escort.

 

[boyst]

3 minutes ago, redtail hawk said:

We may have crossed paths.  Med school in Toledo, residency Ann Arbor and interviewed at Cinci.  Very good job with the explanations.

He went to MCO in the late 70s and 80s, we discussed it in the shoutbox last night.

 

I grew up in Sylvania. 

[H2o]

I know we're all still praying for Damar, but look at this. The charity is now up to almost $3.5M overnight. Simply amazing. 

 

https://www.gofundme.com/f/mxksc-the-chasing-ms-foundation-community-toy-drive

 

 

[foreboding]

15 minutes ago, Playoffs? said:

 

I mentioned last night, and will say again, Ryan Clark and Scott Van Pelt were absolutely amazing… and should get some serious national recognition in how they handled this. 

I've always really liked Ryan Clark. Tonight, his humanity, ability to connect and articulate was on full display. He is an amazing guy with his own health scare.

 

I'd be shocked if he isn't tapped to lead a football team very soon.

Edited January 3, 2023 by foreboding

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

I think the thing that makes this so terrifying is that it’s a true freak accident with no preventable behavior like head injuries.  No Damar Hamlin Rule is coming to make it so a heart won’t stop. Just a memento mori.  Gather ye rosebuds.

[NoSaint]

6 minutes ago, DasNootz said:

0% chance this factored into the decision.  They wouldn't make that call until after the ambulance had left.  They would have a good head start on stadium traffic and likely a police escort.

 

the ambulance remained for some time before leaving. 
 

that said I don’t think the league stood any chance of making that call within minutes of him going down so I doubt that was a heavy consideration. 
 

the bigger issue on the delay was simply that there is no reason to race public announcements. It sucked for viewers but sometimes that’s just life. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

2 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think the thing that makes this so terrifying is that it’s a true freak accident with no preventable behavior like head injuries.  No Damar Hamlin Rule is coming to make it so a heart won’t stop. Just a memento mori.  Gather ye rosebuds.

 

Cardiac arrest can happen to anyone. This is why CPR training and having AEDs accessible is important 

[ddaryl]

1 minute ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

 

Cardiac arrest can happen to anyone. This is why CPR training and having AEDs accessible is important 

Yes.. And for those of you who are not trained in CPR and how to use a AED you should consider it. Classes are usually readily available 

[YoloinOhio]

1 hour ago, Billznut said:

I’m almost positive no NFL team has ever had the amount of adversity that the Bills have had this year. All the injuries, the November storm, two games in Detroit in a week, Christmas storm, 3 nights in Chicago, and now Hamlin. I believe it’s unprecedented. If someone knows of a NFL team dealing with more in one season, please feel free to correct me. 

I quickly put a list together of the last 12 months - obviously some more significant than others but simply the mental/physical toll

 

13 seconds

Tops shooting

Kim pegula health situation (have not seen or heard from her since medical emergency)

Dawson Knox brother death

Dane Jackson injury/ hospitalization

Hyde injury - out for season 

Miami game in unprecedented heat situation 

Snowvember/ unable to have practice/game moved to Detroit

Von miller injury - out for season 

34 Blizzard deaths

Had to stay in Chicago Christmas Eve due to weather, travel ban

Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest on field, game cancelled 

 

[Big Turk]

5 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Yes.. And for those of you who are not trained in CPR and how to use a AED you should consider it. Classes are usually readily available 

 

I learned CPR a long long time ago in college but I only partially remember. Thinking about going to get recertified.

[HappyDays]

 

[Big Turk]

1 minute ago, YoloinOhio said:

I quickly put a list together of the last 12 months - obviously some more significant than others but simply the mental/physical toll

 

13 seconds

Tops shooting

Kim pegula health situation (have not seen or heard from her since medical emergency)

Dawson Knox brother death

Dane Jackson injury/ hospitalization

Hyde injury - out for season 

Miami game in unprecedented heat situation 

Snowvember/ unable to have practice/game moved to Detroit

Von miller injury - out for season 

34 Blizzard deaths

Had to stay in Chicago Christmas Eve due to weather, travel ban

Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest on field, game cancelled 

 

 

39 blizzard deaths.

[Boatdrinks]

10 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

I think the thing that makes this so terrifying is that it’s a true freak accident with no preventable behavior like head injuries.  No Damar Hamlin Rule is coming to make it so a heart won’t stop. Just a memento mori.  Gather ye rosebuds.

Fortunately it’s also extremely rare on a football field. As mentioned on WGR probably one of the best places to be if it’s going to happen because of the medical staff access- there or a hospital. A terrible thing that no one wants to see occur and it almost never does. 

[Mrbojanglezs]

7 minutes ago, ddaryl said:

Yes.. And for those of you who are not trained in CPR and how to use a AED you should consider it. Classes are usually readily available 

 

Workplaces often will sponsor and pay for it, ask your HR department 

[davefan66]

Had a long night processing what happened. Still having difficulty.

 

I work in the medical field and have performed CPR too many times. I can’t imagine what those players, staff, media felt witnessing their friend,

 and teammate down on the field. People who have never witnessed CPR. It was obviously traumatic by the players reactions.

 

Training staff/medical personnel were in a spotlight that nobody else would be in performing their job. The work they did is incredible and hopefully will enable Damar to come back from this.

 

I have no clue how this team can even play Sunday.  I hope the players, staff and organization can do what’s needed to care for themselves while caring for their teammate. Games don’t matter, Damars health does.
 

This team is woven into the fabric of this community like none other. The emotions i feel and those I’ve read and listened to is incredibly sad.  Prayers for this young man and his family and for those who are close to him.

[Big Turk]

4 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I quickly put a list together of the last 12 months - obviously some more significant than others but simply the mental/physical toll

 

13 seconds

Tops shooting

Kim pegula health situation (have not seen or heard from her since medical emergency)

Dawson Knox brother death

Dane Jackson injury/ hospitalization

Hyde injury - out for season 

Miami game in unprecedented heat situation 

Snowvember/ unable to have practice/game moved to Detroit

Von miller injury - out for season 

34 Blizzard deaths

Had to stay in Chicago Christmas Eve due to weather, travel ban

Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest on field, game cancelled 

 

 

Just weary man...it's been a tough 365 days in Buffalo. When does the avalanche stop?

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

4 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Just so crazy! $3.5 million and counting. Still owed at least $30 from me. 

[clayboy54]

4 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

Just weary man...it's been a tough 365 days in Buffalo. When does the avalanche stop?

Avalanche, tornado, earthquake and finally, volcano.

[Mynamemike]

19 minutes ago, NoSaint said:

the ambulance remained for some time before leaving. 
 

that said I don’t think the league stood any chance of making that call within minutes of him going down so I doubt that was a heavy consideration. 
 

the bigger issue on the delay was simply that there is no reason to race public announcements. It sucked for viewers but sometimes that’s just life. 

That’s why IMO his family being there was probably for the better.  I can’t imagine sitting at home watching my son on tv like that not knowing what’s going on.  Just a horrible scene all around.  Definitely puts it all in perspective.  Thoughts are with the Hamlin family.  

[Just Jack]

9 minutes ago, HappyDays said:

 

 

Heard from a friend on FB that was at the game, that as soon as they officially announced the game was suspended, Bengal fans that were around them immediately started asking what his charity was, because they were going to contribute. 

[davefan66]

7 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I quickly put a list together of the last 12 months - obviously some more significant than others but simply the mental/physical toll

 

13 seconds

Tops shooting

Kim pegula health situation (have not seen or heard from her since medical emergency)

Dawson Knox brother death

Dane Jackson injury/ hospitalization

Hyde injury - out for season 

Miami game in unprecedented heat situation 

Snowvember/ unable to have practice/game moved to Detroit

Von miller injury - out for season 

34 Blizzard deaths

Had to stay in Chicago Christmas Eve due to weather, travel ban

Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest on field, game cancelled 

 

I can’t think of another team that has dealt with as much adversity as this team has over the last 12 months.

 

I don’t know any team that could handle this much adversity as this team. They are a close knit group with many player leaders and a coaching staff that truly cares for their players. 

[Big Turk]

2 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Heard from a friend on FB that was at the game, that as soon as they officially announced the game was suspended, Bengal fans that were around them immediately started asking what his charity was, because they were going to contribute. 

 

They remember #BillsMafia with Dalton/Boyd charity contributions...much respect to them.

[BuffaloRebound]

1 minute ago, davefan66 said:

I can’t think of another team that has dealt with as much adversity as this team has over the last 12 months.

 

I don’t know any team that could handle this much adversity as this team. They are a close knit group with many player leaders and a coaching staff that truly cares for their players. 

This was definitely McDermott’s finest moment.  I criticize the guy sometimes, but he’s a good human being.  No way he was putting his team back on the field.  

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

17 minutes ago, YoloinOhio said:

I quickly put a list together of the last 12 months - obviously some more significant than others but simply the mental/physical toll

 

13 seconds

Tops shooting

Kim pegula health situation (have not seen or heard from her since medical emergency)

Dawson Knox brother death

Dane Jackson injury/ hospitalization

Hyde injury - out for season 

Miami game in unprecedented heat situation 

Snowvember/ unable to have practice/game moved to Detroit

Von miller injury - out for season 

34 Blizzard deaths

Had to stay in Chicago Christmas Eve due to weather, travel ban

Damar Hamlin cardiac arrest on field, game cancelled 

 

 

Whatever happens for the rest of the season I've got love and empathy for this 2022 team.  Speaking personally, a certain amount of adversity can be a shot in the arm.  But things can compile to a point where you lost motivation and I wouldn't blame them at all.

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

8 hours ago, Beck Water said:

 

Of course the TV shows are wildly unrealistic, but It really depends on a lot of factors.  Often when the heart stops, it’s because the person is not in good health to begin with - elderly, has coronary artery disease etc.  For a young to middle aged, otherwise healthy person who has what the medical profession calls a “witnessed arrest” (meaning someone saw them collapse and they got immediate CPR and medical attention) the outcomes tend to be more positive.

 

As I sit here, we have two neighbors who suffered cardiac arrest.  Both were relatively young and otherwise healthy.  Both were “witnessed arrests”.  In one case, the husband called 911 and then performed CPR for 11 minutes until paramedics arrived.  They were able to defibrillate and restore a pulse.  She lived, although with a pacemaker, and was last seen shopping for her first formal gown, getting on a plane to Africa, and worrying about her son.  In the other case, the wife called our other neighbor (an RN) then 911, and the neighbor threw on a robe and ran over barefoot to start CPR (within 2 minutes) until paramedics arrived. But paramedics could not restore a normal heart rhythm for more than a few seconds.  He died.  Autopsy showed severely blocked coronary arteries.

 

In this case, the cause is almost certainly a traumatic injury.  At least 3 possible causes have been floated about the thread, varying in outcomes.  I don’e speculated too much already.  We just need to wait and see when the tests are done and the cause is announced.

 

In the meantime, for everyone concerned, I give you this: It was reported they were able to restore normal cardiac electrical activity ie, Hamlin had a pulse when he was loaded in the ambulance.  The difference in outcome between being able to restore a pulse or not is huge.  Pulse is good.  Pulse is very good.  Pulse is very very good.  

 

Keep that in mind folks.

 

And to my initial point of what you see on TV with medical shows isn't what often really happens, in real life there likely are many more older less healthy people with heart issues that hospitals see than young healthy ones so that tips the odds too.

 

Just curious you mention these two people who were young and healthy, but the one had severely blocked coronary arteries.  How old was this person as to me untrained medically those two things don't usually go together, young and blocked arteries.  I'm hoping you consider old much older than I would as that would be good health news for me!

[TonyBeets]

3 minutes ago, BuffaloRebound said:

This was definitely McDermott’s finest moment.  I criticize the guy sometimes, but he’s a good human being.  No way he was putting his team back on the field.  

100% agree with this statement.  What a great leader, but moreso a great human being.  I cannot fathom being put into McDermott's position last night.  

4 minutes ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

 

Whatever happens for the rest of the season I've got love and empathy for this 2022 team.  Speaking personally, a certain amount of adversity can be a shot in the arm.  But things can compile to a point where you lost motivation and I wouldn't blame them at all.

There is only so much adversity and a community can take.  Personally, my wind was let out of me last night.  I could not care less about the outcome of the remainder of the season.  

[Big Turk]

Did not realize this happened to Chris Pronger in the NHL as well..

 

 

As fate would have it, I have my yearly checkup with my Cardiologist today and am damn sure going to talk to him about what happened last night.

3 minutes ago, TonyBeets said:

100% agree with this statement.  What a great leader, but moreso a great human being.  I cannot fathom being put into McDermott's position last night.  

 

His players and staff would follow that man to the end of the earth, through a wall and probably off a cliff.  I don't even play for them and I know I would.  Some people just have that "it" factor as a leader...he definitely has that.

[Beck Water]

3 hours ago, Mrbojanglezs said:

9 minutes is a long time to be dead. Even if he pulls through it's a real possibility he would have long-term brain damage. 

 

I'm trying to shut up here because on the modern emergency medicine Dunning-Kruger curve I'm standing at the bottom of the "slope of enlightenment" looking up and we all gotta know our limitations.

 

But I can point out here, emergency medicine stresses the importance of lay people getting trained in CPR and about staff at large venues and businesses getting trained in the use of modern, easy to use AED devices BECAUSE they make such a huge difference to outcomes.   When I worked, I did annual training on both BECAUSE I know the data are out there: they make a difference.  When I'm in a large venue, I reflexively note the location of the AEDs and how they're stowed.

 

There are not a lot of data about the outcomes of what happened - a young, peak physical condition man having what is called a "witnessed arrest" where not only paramedics, but trained emergency physicians, responded within seconds.  But it's the best possible emergency medicine response, probably better than actually walking into the ER of a major medical center and collapsing (because they tend to be chaotic and the physicians/nurses there are often already working full-bore).  On the field, he had a team of doctors and paramedics with nothing to do but care for him, and probably 95% of the initial equipment that would be used in an ER at hand.

 

I can tell you from my own experience that a neighbor, as a young mother in her mid-30s, had her husband performing CPR on her alone for 11 minutes, before paramedics arrived with an AED and were able to restore a pulse (which took a further 8 minutes, and multiple shocks).  She was a math professor prior to her cardiac arrest.  She is still a math professor.  She played competitive ultimate frisbee prior to her cardiac arrest; she still plays competitive ultimate frisbee.

 

The speed and quality of emergency response make a huge difference.  I don't think framing it as "dead for 9 minutes" is terribly productive (or accurate).

 

If y'all want to do something productive with your ass today, call the local red cross and enroll in a CPR class; ask about getting one taught in your workplace; ask if there's a workplace "emergency squad" and join it to get trained in CPR and AED use.  CPR has been made way simpler since I certified as an instructor 4+ decades ago.  Both are straightforward to learn, will only take a couple hours of your time, and could literally save the life of a colleague or family member (or even a random stranger) some day.

Edited January 3, 2023 by Beck Water

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

10 hours ago, 78thealltimegreat said:

This was clearly a different deal the moment that ambulance came out. If you listen to the ESPN coverage it was Zac Taylor and Sean McDermott who said we ain’t playing not the nfl 

 

Yes agree, but that that point when still on the field don't know who in the NFL was saying go warm up.  Was it the referee on the field, maybe some low level NFL person assigned to each game to monitor. 

 

I also don't recall ESPN stating the referee just walked off the field and is one the phone  likely talking to someone in the NFL headquarters either.  I don't recall seeing any of the officials ever leaving the playing field.  The officials on the field likely don't feel they have the authority to stop the game either.

[ProcessTruster]

We'll know a lot more in 24 hours as they begin to wean him off the ventilator.   and then in 48 hours when they remove the sedation.   by end of week should know how he is likely to come out of this

[Sammy Watkins' Rib]

19 minutes ago, Just Jack said:

 

Heard from a friend on FB that was at the game, that as soon as they officially announced the game was suspended, Bengal fans that were around them immediately started asking what his charity was, because they were going to contribute. 

 

Not surprised at all. Bengals fans are great fans. And the whole charity thing pretty much took off with Andy Dalton's organization. Bengal's fans know how to pay it forward. It all seems like the entire NFL fanbase is doing so now as well. 

[clayboy54]

6 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Yes agree, but that that point when still on the field don't know who in the NFL was saying go warm up.  Was it the referee on the field, maybe some low level NFL person assigned to each game to monitor. 

 

I also don't recall ESPN stating the referee just walked off the field and is one the phone  likely talking to someone in the NFL headquarters either.  I don't recall seeing any of the officials ever leaving the playing field.  The officials on the field likely don't feel they have the authority to stop the game either.

The Referee has a headset connected to NY.

[Big Turk]

 

[dabillsfan85]

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Higher survival rates were associated with more prompt resuscitation (40%<3 minutes vs 5%>3 minutes; P<.001) 

 

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/23107651/

[atlbillsfan1975]

1 hour ago, Steptide said:

My hope today is that good news comes regarding Hamlin and that they can get back to playing football. I don't say that as a selfish football fan that wants to see my team play, I say that because I want everything to go back to normal as much as possible. I have no doubt that this bills team will rally around this. It's not about being the one seed or winning the super bowl at this moment, it's about Hamlin being ok. Once we get word he's ok, I absolutely believe this will light a fire in this team. 

I don’t think the team bounces back that quick. Anytime you are exposed to what they watched happen last night it takes time to recover. Witnessing someone being administered life saving measures isn’t easy to watch. This isn’t like anything anyone has seen before. They have seen players immobilized before, but seeing some receiving CPR and have a defibrillator used is a visual they won’t soon forget. I am as big a Bills fan as anyone else. If this team, or some players, didn’t want to play another down this season I wouldn’t blame them a bit.

Go Bills! 

[DasNootz]

3 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

As a human, I'm hoping that they have counselors available to help players process. 
As a fan, I'm fearful that this impacts players beyond this game and this season.  I go back to Tre White talking about how his injury gave him a chance for the first time to see that he's more than a football player, and that there's more to life than the game he's played since he was a kid.  I can see an event like this triggering someone, that already has thoughts about the greater meaning, to walk away early.

[atlbillsfan1975]

10 minutes ago, Big Turk said:

 

This. Trauma is really and serious. These men need time to process how last night is really impacting them. For some, it won’t become clear till a later date. The important thing is to make help available now and later. 

Edited January 3, 2023 by atlbillsfan1975

[muppy]

3 hours ago, Beast said:

Getting ready for work. Emotions flooding through me probably like most everyone here.

 

We need to rally. That’s who we are. Rally around Damar. Rally around his teammates and everyone in our organization. pick each other up here the best we can. Let people talk. Support each other. Not bicker. Maybe talk like we our face to face.

 

This is our team and one of our own. God bless Damar Hamlin, the Buffalo Bills and all of you guys and girls.

Perfect post hermano.  CONCUR. 

 

Im blessed to be a member of this chat community. And there WILL be good that will happen in its aftermath BOOK IT.!!!!!🤗

 

Im bossy huh YEP.  tired.

 

I really REALLY want that update to be positive. It reads like he should be okay based on other anecdotal story

 

Keep praying and sending those positive vibes yall  xo m

[Steptide]

3 minutes ago, atlbillsfan1975 said:

I don’t think the team bounces back that quick. Anytime you are exposed to what they watched happen last night it takes time to recover. Witnessing someone being administered life saving measures isn’t easy to watch. This isn’t like anything anyone has seen before. They have seen players immobilized before, but seeing some receiving CPR and have a defibrillator used is a visual they won’t soon forget. I am as big a Bills fan as anyone else. If this team, or some players, didn’t want to play another down this season I wouldn’t blame them a bit.

Go Bills! 

I agree, and I've been through some of that with my dad and his heart attacks. Having said that though, if the team and fans get good news regarding hamlin, the team could potentially rally around that. I'm just thinking out loud here, but I'd imagine if a family member was in hamlins condition, and then my family gets great news that that family member is going to be ok, that completely changes the mood. I dunno. Just putting thoughts out there