TUA in Concussion Protocol Again!

[Locomark]

Tua is being renamed Threea.  

[dollars 2 donuts]

Sorry if posted before…phin heaven.

 

I don’t take any glee this time around and I am sorry for this kid, quite a bit. I joke about them losing and suffering, not about a player getting hurt.  You knew something was off watching that fourth quarter.

 

additionally, keeping a closer eye on on the kid MEANS KEEPING A CLOSER EYE ON THE KID.  Regardless of what he “reports” you mean no one, even a coffee getting intern, is watching every play in which he goes to the ground?!

 

idiots.

https://finheaven.com/threads/tua-in-concussion-protocol.376441/

 

 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[Chandler#81]

Soft mind, soft head. I hope he stays in Miami til he’s completely incapacitated. But that’s just me…🤷‍♂️

[HOUSE]

I want him to retire. It's not worth the gamble every week. 

He is a super guy and would be petfect on ESPN.

 

 

..

Edited December 27, 2022 by HOUSE

[Kirby Jackson]

Tua should call it a career. He seems like a really nice guy. He has his whole life ahead of him and it isn’t worth it. I feel the same way about Mitch Morse at this point. 

[PrimeTime101]

Just now, Kirby Jackson said:

Tua should call it a career. He seems like a really nice guy. He has his whole life ahead of him and it isn’t worth it. I feel the same way about Mitch Morse at this point. 

no... Morse never had 3 in one year... but its getting close.. one more..

[The Wiz]

1 hour ago, dollars 2 donuts said:

Sorry if posted before…phin heaven.

 

I don’t take any glee this time around and I am sorry for this kid, quite a bit. I joke about them losing and suffering, not about a player getting hurt.  You knew something was off watching that fourth quarter.

 

additionally, keeping a closer eye on on the kid MEANS KEEPING A CLOSER EYE ON THE KID.  Regardless of what he “reports” you mean no one, even a coffee getting intern, is watching every play in which he goes to the ground?!

 

idiots.

https://finheaven.com/threads/tua-in-concussion-protocol.376441/

 

 

 

Apparently tua had 3 concussions this year according to those fins fans.

 

I only recall two and a back injury.  At least that's what they were saying back in September.

 

 

But he really might need to call it a career.  I already have a feeling that Morse is going to retire at the end of the season and he's on his seventh? Concussion.

 

Guy has nothing to prove and made enough to support himself for the rest of his life.  Needs to think about his health (and the fact that he went to a doctor instead of his coaching staff shows he might think they don't care about his health).

[SageAgainstTheMachine]

If you're going to play QB at Tua's size you need to be faster and more evasive than he is.  It would make sense to step away for his own good. 

[Kirby Jackson]

17 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said:

no... Morse never had 3 in one year... but its getting close.. one more..

He’s had 6 now I think. He has made $50M and has 2 little kids. Morse has had a fantastic year but you can’t fault him if he hangs them up. 

[The Wiz]

1 minute ago, SageAgainstTheMachine said:

If you're going to play QB at Tua's size you need to be faster and more evasive than he is.  It would make sense to step away for his own good. 

I don't even think it's a size thing.  He literally hits his head every time he falls backwards.

 

He did it again is and he turned his body while falling against GB and took most of the force to the back of his head.

 

There have been plenty of players smaller than him that taken some hard his to the head also.  He could just be susceptible to them.

2 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s had 6 now I think. He has made $50M and has 2 little kids. Morse has had a fantastic year but you can’t fault him if he hangs them up. 

Had he not had a concussion this year, I would assume he would be back.  Now I think he's probably going to call it at the end of the season.

[RunTheBall]

I’m a doc so take this for what it’s worth

 

Here’s what concerns me most - Tua is getting concussed with progressively weaker shots to the head.

 

The first “back injury” was a significant whack where get got up with legs of spaghetti. The entire viewing audience knew he was concussed but no one did a thing.

 

Days later, he falls backward and takes a mild-moderate head bounce of the turf. This nearly turned him into a vegetable on the field. OH NOW WE’VE GOT A PROBLEM!

 

This hit was relatively minor. It wasn’t a hard tackle, his ass and back hit first then the back of his head hit the turf. We see this type of tackle all the time. Because of his previous concussions, even a minor hit like that caused symptoms. I don’t believe for a second Tua didn’t know his egg was scrambled again.

 

That’s three concussions in a matter of months, unless you are a FinHeaven idiot and want to call it 2. Doesn’t matter either way.

 

Soon, Tua is going to get concussed without his head hitting the turf. Normal tackles are going to scramble his brain and THAT is the risk.

 

He needs to be shut down for the rest of the year, given the off season to heal and re-evaluate his life, and then decide if he wasn’t to continue playing.

[Greg S]

He definitely should be out for the rest of the season. Too many concussions over a short period of time. He probably should retire as it's not worth risking your health both in the short and long term.

[Livinginthepast]

15 hours ago, Rochesterfan said:

Early in the game he gets hit and his head hits the ground.  Several fans posted they thought he should have been tested, but the Dolphins did nothing.

 

Then he screws up their season and wham here you are.

 

Maybe here:

 

 

 

I thought the same thing as I watched this play. Now I get paranoid whenever I see Josh (or any Bill) hit the turf this way, ever since Tua's first concussion against us. But this kind of concussion just proves that Tua's internal brain "wiring" makes him more susceptible to these concussions. Other players dont get them this way but get them in the helmet to helmet collision style. Some not all. TBH I feel sorry for the guy, his long term health maybe in the balance right now. 

[SCBills]

52 minutes ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s had 6 now I think. He has made $50M and has 2 little kids. Morse has had a fantastic year but you can’t fault him if he hangs them up. 

Hasn't Morse said one more won’t change my mind, nor will another after that or the next after that?

 

Hes consulted with neurologists and, for whatever reason, concussions don’t worry him long term.  
 

Also, I’ve heard somewhere that there’s a thought it isn’t severe concussions that mess people up, it’s the repeated minor head injuries.   
 

Im not saying Morse is right or wrong, just that we all seem to think he should hang ‘em up after the season, but everything he’s ever said indicates he’s unbothered by concussions. 

[Kirby Jackson]

3 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Hasn't Morse said one more won’t change my mind, nor will another after that or the next after that?

 

Hes consulted with neurologists and, for whatever reason, concussions don’t worry him long term.  
 

Also, I’ve heard somewhere that there’s a thought it isn’t severe concussions that mess people up, it’s the repeated minor head injuries.   
 

Im not saying Morse is right or wrong, just that we all seem to think he should hang ‘em up after the season, but everything he’s ever said indicates he’s unbothered by concussions. 

Maybe he won’t hang them up. This is such a “Bills-centric” lens to look through though. If he played for the Carolina Panthers, made $50M, and had 2 kids under 6 (or whatever) we would certainly think retirement was the bet option. He can do whatever he wants this off-season and NO ONE should fault or judge him for whatever he decides. 6 documented concussions means there are who knows how many others.
 

I have a close friend that was a LB for 7 seasons (primarily for the Pats in the mid-2000’s-2010’s) and had maybe 2 documented. He’s POSITIVE that he had at least 14 others. He was primarily a ST guy/backup LB. He was like a Dodson or Matakevich type. He never wanted to vocalize them for fear of losing his job. This held especially true after he became a 7-figure vet. They easily could have drafted a cheaper, late round guy, to replace him. 

[The Red King]

They gambled with Tua, trying to make this year their year, and were still trying this weekend.  Which is crazy.  They are not winning the SB this year, and they might have just cost themselves what was actually starting to look like a franchise QB this year.  Hell, I remember Trent Edwards and how he looked before and after the Cards game.  And that was just a single concussion.

[klos63]

9 hours ago, Turbo44 said:

Not sure it’s the head coach’s job to be doctor in the middle of the game?? First, he's not qualified, 2nd he has plenty of other things on his plate. So unless the team’s doctors told him about it and he ignored it, I don’t see how he is to blame.

somebody is to blame certainly, but not the head coach 

Agreed. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Tua did this on his own. Hit his head, felt like he could continue. I know everyone here hates the dolphins but I doubt that anyone knew of his issues during the game. I couldn't tell anything from watching on TV.

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, klos63 said:

Agreed. I don't think it's unreasonable to think that Tua did this on his own. Hit his head, felt like he could continue. I know everyone here hates the dolphins but I doubt that anyone knew of his issues during the game. I couldn't tell anything from watching on TV.

I think a lot of people noticed the head hit, but they cut away from it really fast as the play was going on down the field. 
 

It’s also a play that happens all the time. People just noticed it because it’s Tua. 
 

I hate it for him, but if you can get concussed that easily .. you either need someone to coach you on how to protect yourself, or maybe you’re just unable to given physical stature. 
 

I know guys like Brees had long careers, but Tua and (for other reasons) Kyler seem injured all the time. 

[H2o]

11 hours ago, Doc Brown said:

Would you say the same thing for Mitch Morse?

At this point, probably. Tua has had 3 in one year though, and one was quite horrific 

[4merper4mer]

11 minutes ago, The Red King said:

They gambled with Tua, trying to make this year their year, and were still trying this weekend.  Which is crazy.  They are not winning the SB this year, and they might have just cost themselves what was actually starting to look like a franchise QB this year.  Hell, I remember Trent Edwards and how he looked before and after the Cards game.  And that was just a single concussion.

Biggest urban legend on this board.

 

Truth: Trent Edwards sucked badly before during and after the hit in Arizona, which was a legitimately hard hit..  He was horrible from day one but his best statistical game came after that hit.  There is a good chance he was drafted only because Bill Walsh promoted him to then GM Marv Levy and this was done as a practical joke between two old friends.  

[ArtVandalay]

2 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Biggest urban legend on this board.

 

Truth: Trent Edwards sucked badly before during and after the hit in Arizona, which was a legitimately hard hit..  He was horrible from day one but his best statistical game came after that hit.  There is a good chance he was drafted only because Bill Walsh promoted him to then GM Marv Levy and this was done as a practical joke between two old friends.  

BINGO!! Trent Edwards checked the ball down consistently, hence the name Trentative. He could hit short passes and quick hitters that were predetermined. However, he came on to the team after a period of such horrible QB play that his mild competence made him seem great by comparison, much like Tyrod Taylor. Plus fans were so desperate for a solution. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

4 minutes ago, 4merper4mer said:

Biggest urban legend on this board.

 

Truth: Trent Edwards sucked badly before during and after the hit in Arizona, which was a legitimately hard hit..  He was horrible from day one but his best statistical game came after that hit.  There is a good chance he was drafted only because Bill Walsh promoted him to then GM Marv Levy and this was done as a practical joke between two old friends.  

was a lot like peterman. Could be highly accurate is practice. But the game went too fast and he didn’t have the arm for the nfl

[dollars 2 donuts]

2 hours ago, The Wiz said:

Apparently tua had 3 concussions this year according to those fins fans.

 

I only recall two and a back injury.  At least that's what they were saying back in September.

 

 

But he really might need to call it a career.  I already have a feeling that Morse is going to retire at the end of the season and he's on his seventh? Concussion.

 

Guy has nothing to prove and made enough to support himself for the rest of his life.  Needs to think about his health (and the fact that he went to a doctor instead of his coaching staff shows he might think they don't care about his health).

 

 

Wiz, my buddy wanted to draft Humphrey in the second round so very, very badly.

 

He loves Morse, but so much upside with Humphrey.

 

Totally cool if MM rides into the sunset because of his health...but boy, KC is set at Center for a decade.  

 

If you ever meet my friend, don't talk to him about it.  It still bugs him...and don't even start on Ngata!

 

😅

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by dollars 2 donuts

[ArtVandalay]

12 minutes ago, SCBills said:

I think a lot of people noticed the head hit, but they cut away from it really fast as the play was going on down the field. 
 

It’s also a play that happens all the time. People just noticed it because it’s Tua. 
 

I hate it for him, but if you can get concussed that easily .. you either need someone to coach you on how to protect yourself, or maybe you’re just unable to given physical stature. 
 

I know guys like Brees had long careers, but Tua and (for other reasons) Kyler seem injured all the time. 

Tua isn't just small, he's weak, and his self preservation and balance is bad. When he gets hit or tackled he gets thrown like a rag doll every time, it's comical. He's like a child out there.

 

 

[Heavy Kevi]

The fins were already docked a first for tampering this year.

 

At this rate they will be hit with something for continuing to put tua out there with brain injuries. Somehow 2 of the 3 concussions (both before halftime) weren't noticed and he completed a game.

 

They are risking tuas life to try and get in the playoffs and it's pretty sick.

 

That organization and culture is just plain wrong

[PrimeTime101]

1 hour ago, Kirby Jackson said:

He’s had 6 now I think. He has made $50M and has 2 little kids. Morse has had a fantastic year but you can’t fault him if he hangs them up. 

6 in a career is far cry from 3 in 3 months.  I had a ton myself but over time.

[The Red King]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Biggest urban legend on this board.

 

Truth: Trent Edwards sucked badly before during and after the hit in Arizona, which was a legitimately hard hit..  He was horrible from day one but his best statistical game came after that hit.  There is a good chance he was drafted only because Bill Walsh promoted him to then GM Marv Levy and this was done as a practical joke between two old friends.  

 

I was determined to prove you wrong, so I checked the stats.  Holy crap, who stuck the rose-colored glasses on.  Stats-wise prior he was servicable at best.  Didn't change much after.

 

I'll still maintain he never looked right after the hit.  I remember one play vs. Miami where he ran out of bounds two yards short of the marker on 3rd down.  Typical of him, I know.  Except he didn't run out of bounds.  He stopped like a half yard from the sideline and just stood there.  Defender was confused, pulled up and gave him a gentle shove oob.

 

He may not have been good prior or worse after, but there was definately something wrong.

[GottaRun]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Biggest urban legend on this board.

 

Truth: Trent Edwards sucked badly before during and after the hit in Arizona, which was a legitimately hard hit..  He was horrible from day one but his best statistical game came after that hit.  There is a good chance he was drafted only because Bill Walsh promoted him to then GM Marv Levy and this was done as a practical joke between two old friends.  

A reminded for all about how most of us felt at the time "right now 10 yards seem pretty far but you don't have to use a car"
 

 

Edited December 27, 2022 by GottaRun

[Rico]

In one way, this works out best for Tua if he walks away He was never going to win a ring in this league, but now he can play ‘what if’; what if he hadn’t suffered concussions.? He can make a whole new career in football if he plays his cards right.

[Heavy Kevi]

1 hour ago, 4merper4mer said:

Biggest urban legend on this board.

 

Truth: Trent Edwards sucked badly before during and after the hit in Arizona, which was a legitimately hard hit..  He was horrible from day one but his best statistical game came after that hit.  There is a good chance he was drafted only because Bill Walsh promoted him to then GM Marv Levy and this was done as a practical joke between two old friends.  

 

1 hour ago, ArtVandalay said:

BINGO!! Trent Edwards checked the ball down consistently, hence the name Trentative. He could hit short passes and quick hitters that were predetermined. However, he came on to the team after a period of such horrible QB play that his mild competence made him seem great by comparison, much like Tyrod Taylor. Plus fans were so desperate for a solution. 

 

Yuuuup. Captain checkdown apologists just used that Adriane Wilson hit for an excuse.

 

Boy I sure as frick don't miss his 3 yard checkdown on a 3rd & 15

[f0neguy]

I believe I read somewhere that Mitch has a specialist he sees concerning his concussions.  He seems to be very intelligent and he understands the risks involved.  He knows he’s set for life financially.  I won’t be surprised if he walks after this season.

[Mango]

6 hours ago, The Wiz said:

It's likely because they knew that if he entered protocol when we played them, he wouldn't have cleared in time for the Thursday night game.  Which ended up the worst possible way for him.

 

You look at what agahlor did to stop the play when he knew his teammate was out on his feet and then you look back to that week 3 game of tuas teammates helping him barely stand up.

 

Win first, health second mentality comes from the coaching.  McD doesn't even let healthy players play because he worries about their long term well being.

This isn’t true at all. I think it largely comes from Tre taking 12 months to come back, so the fan base has turned it into some noble venture. 
 

Allen is playing with an injury to his throwing arm.

 

Poyer played a game where he wasn’t healthy enough to get on an airplane. 
 

Cole Beasley played on a broken leg.

 

Mitch Morse will likely be cleared to play at some point after his 6th NFL concussion. Not counting juniors or college.

 

Tommy Doyle played a game with a torn ACL and McD praised his toughness for doing it in the post game. 

None of those instances are player for at precautions. The Tua thing is a disaster for the NFL, the Dolphins, and McDaniels. But the Bills aren’t some holier than thou franchise when it comes to injuries. 

 

 

[The Frankish Reich]

5 minutes ago, f0neguy said:

I believe I read somewhere that Mitch has a specialist he sees concerning his concussions.  He seems to be very intelligent and he understands the risks involved.  He knows he’s set for life financially.  I won’t be surprised if he walks after this season.

A lot of people thought he was hanging it up after last year. It was probably a difficult decision.

No knock on Mitch - a guy brought in to stabilize a very poor O line, who did exactly what we wanted him to do - but is it just coincidence/a bad Bears defense that resulted in our best rushing performance all year? Bates at C/Van Roten at G may actually provide better run blocking at least?

[Sestak4ever]

The thing for Tua is that these concussions are cumulative in both frequency and severity. To me McDaniel is an idiot and a liar. He should be keeping an eye on Tua like a hawk, obviously more so than any other player on that team.

[Ta111]

2 minutes ago, Mango said:

This isn’t true at all. I think it largely comes from Tre taking 12 months to come back, so the fan base has turned it into some noble venture. 
 

Allen is playing with an injury to his throwing arm.

 

Poyer played a game where he wasn’t healthy enough to get on an airplane. 
 

Cole Beasley played on a broken leg.

 

Mitch Morse will likely be cleared to play at some point after his 6th NFL concussion. Not counting juniors or college.

 

Tommy Doyle played a game with a torn ACL and McD praised his toughness for doing it in the post game. 

None of those instances are player for at precautions. The Tua thing is a disaster for the NFL, the Dolphins, and McDaniels. But the Bills aren’t some holier than thou franchise when it comes to injuries. 

 

 

You are comparing apples to grapefruits. Playing with a bad leg or elbow is far different than playing with concussion symptoms. The brain is a delicate organ and concussions can lead to permanent disability and death.

[f0neguy]

If Mitch decides to walk away I wish him the absolute best.  I also think Rick (Ryan) or Ike will step in at center and will play very well.  Not worried!

[Mango]

5 minutes ago, Ta111 said:

You are comparing apples to grapefruits. Playing with a bad leg or elbow is far different than playing with concussion symptoms. The brain is a delicate organ and concussions can lead to permanent disability and death.

Clearly that’s the case. And the Tua situation is obviously serious. 
 

But our staff isn’t any more careful than the other 30 teams (excluding Miami) in the league when it comes to injury management. It’s just a homer thing we keep saying because of Tre in the wake of Tua. 
 

I would like to believe this specific situation doesn’t happen in Buffalo. But from a general injury perspective our coaching staff isn’t special. 
 

EDIT: I’m not comparing apples to grapefruits. I highlighted a post that said our coaching staff was cautious regarding injury. A statement I keep seeing posted, which is a knee jerk to how long it took Tre to come back. But at scale really isn’t true. 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Mango

[Generic_Bills_Fan]

17 hours ago, Nephilim17 said:

If he's concussed, that's really sad. I hate the Phins but don't wish brain damage on any player.

 

Any chance — and yes this sounds crazy, I know — that the post-game concussion protocol is damage control for the fans upset with Tua? It's easier to swallow if you know (or think) we was playing wobbly? I've heard enough crazy theories these past couple years so there's mine.

I don’t think so because they could be missing him for the NE game now if he doesn’t clear.  They’d also need tua to lie about his symptoms to even get him into the protocol and I can’t see why he would want to do that. 
 

it could be he was fine during the game and the symptoms showed up later…that happens 

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

They gambled with Tua, trying to make this year their year, and were still trying this weekend.  Which is crazy.  They are not winning the SB this year, and they might have just cost themselves what was actually starting to look like a franchise QB this year.  Hell, I remember Trent Edwards and how he looked before and after the Cards game.  And that was just a single concussion.

I think trent just got figured out…teams started dropping 8 into coverage and he was lost.  He had one of the best games of his career against SD his first game back after the concussion 

Edited December 27, 2022 by Generic_Bills_Fan

[Einstein's Dog]

2 hours ago, The Red King said:

They gambled with Tua, trying to make this year their year, and were still trying this weekend.  Which is crazy.  They are not winning the SB this year, and they might have just cost themselves what was actually starting to look like a franchise QB this year.  Hell, I remember Trent Edwards and how he looked before and after the Cards game.  And that was just a single concussion.

Miami looks terrible in this.  But to me it looks like Tua is doing some self promoting at the expense of Miami. 

 

With the first concussion against the Bills Tua came in and won the game - no self reporting.  And both Tua and Miami paid a hefty price when the followup blast against Cincy put him out for a while.

 

This time when they lose the game and the timing of the potential concussion can explain away a terrible performance- Tua self reports.  Does make for questions of if Tua would have self reported if the results had been different.

 

Terrible optics for Miami.  Tua looks pretty self-serving too though, and the franchise can't be happy with him.  I can't complain though.

[The Wiz]

35 minutes ago, Mango said:

This isn’t true at all. I think it largely comes from Tre taking 12 months to come back, so the fan base has turned it into some noble venture. 
 

Allen is playing with an injury to his throwing arm.

 

Poyer played a game where he wasn’t healthy enough to get on an airplane. 
 

Cole Beasley played on a broken leg.

 

Mitch Morse will likely be cleared to play at some point after his 6th NFL concussion. Not counting juniors or college.

 

Tommy Doyle played a game with a torn ACL and McD praised his toughness for doing it in the post game. 

None of those instances are player for at precautions. The Tua thing is a disaster for the NFL, the Dolphins, and McDaniels. But the Bills aren’t some holier than thou franchise when it comes to injuries. 

 

 

To quote "the program"

 

Are they hurt or are the injured?

 

If their hurt they can still play, if their injured they can't.

 

Concussions are a different beast altogether.  If they are cleared to play there is no reason McD won't let them play unless they say otherwise.

 

I don't think they are "holier than thou" but they do tend to be extra precautious when it comes to players injuries.