Big Turk Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Seems like Belichick is doing one of his "destroy mediocre/bad teams" and lose to good teams move like last year which is helping the Pats out a lot. Jets D is legit and is wining in spite of their O most weeks. Dolphins O is carrying them and winning in spite of their D. Bills, when healthy are still the best and most complete team in the NFL. AFC East is the ONLY division in football that features more than 2 teams with a Positive Net Point Differential. In fact, EVERY team in the division is positive in net points with the Dolphins, the team leading the division(for now) being the worst at +26. Bills are the best team in the NFL at +110. Sucks that Bills are going to have a 3 way fight for the division now every year for the foreseeable future it seems with the Jets and Dolphins. For all the talk of how great the AFC West would be, that has been mostly a disappointment with only KC having a positive net point differential. AFC North, Ravens and Bengals are both positive in net points but Steelers and Browns are bad. NFC West has been mostly a dumpster fire. 49ers are injured as usual and Seahawks have been a nice story. Rams and Cards have been bad. NFC East has all teams with a winning record, but only 2 with a positive point differential. NFC North has Minnesota who is 9-2 but is finding new miraculous ways to win every week with an absurdly low +5 differential on the year for having 9 wins. NFC South, no team has a positive differential or winning record, speaking of dumpster fires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 It’s actually simple. Wins and losses 2 1 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg S Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Expect a decent amount of AFCE primetime games next year. You could put any of the 4 teams against one another and it will be a good game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boatdrinks Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 NFL system of drafting and scheduling. A couple of decent coaching hires thrown in. It’s not a guarantee of improving ( see Bills drought era ) but it’s a big help. AFC West made the big splash, but it’s been a huge flop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fan in Chicago Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 14 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Seems like Belichick is doing one of his "destroy mediocre/bad teams" and lose to good teams move like last year which is helping the Pats out a lot. Jets D is legit and is wining in spite of their O most weeks. Dolphins O is carrying them and winning in spite of their D. Bills started the process , got Allen and now the other AFCE teams were forced to raise their game or face 10 years of irrelevancy such as during the Brady years. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 18 minutes ago, Big Turk said: Seems like Belichick is doing one of his "destroy mediocre/bad teams" and lose to good teams move like last year which is helping the Pats out a lot. Jets D is legit and is wining in spite of their O most weeks. Dolphins O is carrying them and winning in spite of their D. Bills, when healthy are still the best and most complete team in the NFL. AFC East is the ONLY division in football that features more than 2 teams with a Positive Net Point Differential. In fact, EVERY team in the division is positive in net points with the Dolphins, the team leading the division(for now) being the worst at +26. Bills are the best team in the NFL at +110. Sucks that Bills are going to have a 3 way fight for the division now every year for the foreseeable future it seems with the Jets and Dolphins. For all the talk of how great the AFC West would be, that has been mostly a disappointment with only KC having a positive net point differential. AFC North, Ravens and Bengals are both positive in net points but Steelers and Browns are bad. NFC West has been mostly a dumpster fire. 49ers are injured as usual and Seahawks have been a nice story. Rams and Cards have been bad. NFC East has all teams with a winning record, but only 2 with a positive point differential. NFC North has Minnesota who is 9-2 but is finding new miraculous ways to win every week with an absurdly low +5 differential on the year for having 9 wins. NFC South, no team has a positive differential or winning record, speaking of dumpster fires. I'm gonna give a slight nod to the NFCE. Collective team records: AFCE: 29-15 NFCE: 32-13 Collective point differential: AFCE: 207 NFCE: 169 I just feel like the Giants and Washington are better than the Jets and Patriots. 2 4 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nextmanup Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 No organization, perhaps other than Buffalo or Cleveland, is going to remain pure garbage forever. It's just coincidental that the Jets and Fish have improved dramatically at the same time. NE is still on a downward trajectory from a macro perspective, though they will always be a tough out as long as BB is coaching. Their defense is solid too. 1 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Because the Bills drafted Allen, because the Jets are finally hitting on early draft picks, because the Dolphins went all in to build the best roster in the division around their QB, and because the Pats have Belichick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Large Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 I love it tho- so exciting when the stakes are high. gotta TCB if you want to play for the ring. get this feeling the Bills are about to go off, with their slump out of the way and some key bodies back on the field. it’s go time. 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 7 minutes ago, B-Large said: I love it tho- so exciting when the stakes are high. gotta TCB if you want to play for the ring. get this feeling the Bills are about to go off, with their slump out of the way and some key bodies back on the field. it’s go time. The Bills have had a pretty brutal last few weeks - physically and mentally. During the Lions game, at one point late in the game, the sideline reporter even mentioned how the Bills’ bench looked tired (or deflated or quiet or something along that line). To me.. even in the Knox mic’d up video they all appeared to be “going through the motions” for a lot if it. They just seemed wore out (except Ed Oliver). Having a full week to prepare and getting a few guys back this week is huge. They just need to find a way to win, without any more injuries. I feel like if they do that... it’ll be a huge, collective team sigh of relief. Kinda like the worst is behind them type feeing. They’ll have 10 days to rest, get healthier, practice. ..and be set up for a strong final push! I think the Fins and Jets have benefitted a little from an easy schedule this year. They’re improved teams, but are they battle tested and ready for the final push like the Bills are? I don’t think so (as long as we get healthy for it). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 41 minutes ago, Gugny said: I'm gonna give a slight nod to the NFCE. Collective team records: AFCE: 29-15 NFCE: 32-13 Collective point differential: AFCE: 207 NFCE: 169 I just feel like the Giants and Washington are better than the Jets and Patriots. I think the giants are frauds. But those teams are all very even. All flawed, mainly at qb, but have some talent. Imo, the Jets have the most talent, then Washington, giants, and Pats. but the afc East got really good. Let’s be thankful for Zach Wilson and Mac Jines because it could be really close if they were good. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Jokeman Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 35 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: No organization, perhaps other than Buffalo or Cleveland, is going to remain pure garbage forever. It's just coincidental that the Jets and Fish have improved dramatically at the same time. NE is still on a downward trajectory from a macro perspective, though they will always be a tough out as long as BB is coaching. Their defense is solid too. Detroit and Houston might end up being pure garbage as seems like they've been bottom feeders for ages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gunsgoodtime Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Miami been getting better a while, Tua is playing above my expectations. The Jets had a killer draft. F the Pats 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
17islongenough Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 51 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: No organization, perhaps other than Buffalo or Cleveland, is going to remain pure garbage forever. It's just coincidental that the Jets and Fish have improved dramatically at the same time. NE is still on a downward trajectory from a macro perspective, though they will always be a tough out as long as BB is coaching. Their defense is solid too. The Lions would like a word with you 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 54 minutes ago, Nextmanup said: NE is still on a downward trajectory from a macro perspective, though they will always be a tough out as long as BB is coaching. Their defense is solid too. NE will continue death spiral until coach convinces Krafty to fire GM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 (edited) 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I'm gonna give a slight nod to the NFCE. Collective team records: AFCE: 29-15 NFCE: 32-13 Collective point differential: AFCE: 207 NFCE: 169 I just feel like the Giants and Washington are better than the Jets and Patriots. I don't think so. Both of those teams have negative point differentials, although small. AFC East Schedules have in general been much harder than the NFC East's also. By DVOA, The AFC East features #4(Jets), #7(Bills), #12(Dolphins) and #15(NE) toughest past schedules versus the NFCE at #14(NYG), #19(WAS), #21(DAL) and #29(PHI). So I would find it difficult to think the NFCE would have a better record if they played a similarly difficult schedule. In reality, it might be significantly worse. In terms of future schedule, the AFCE teams face a gauntlet as they face the 2nd(MIA), 4th(NE), 5th(NYJ) and 6th(BUF) hardest schedules from this point on while only the Commanders(7th) in the NFCE face a schedule harder than 14th(NYG) with DAL and PHI facing cupcake schedules. Edited November 29, 2022 by Big Turk 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 A combination of factors: first it helps a lot that the AFC and NFC North haven't been world beaters so far. Second, the rest of the division had made steady progress and improvements. I honestly like Joe Banner and he's been building the Jets to be a QB away. Belicheck is still a strong defensive coach. The Dolphins threw big resources to help Tua and it shows Finally, they are playing unsustainably above average. It happens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewEra Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Miami- starts with the HC- he’s the star imo. Good drafting. Trading down with SF two drafts ago. Landing Tyreek and signing Armstead. NYJ- Solid drafting. Focus on the DL/pass rush. Douglas knows what he’s doing. Saleh is improving. Pats- BB is better than many people think. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 9 minutes ago, WhitewalkerInPhilly said: A combination of factors: first it helps a lot that the AFC and NFC North haven't been world beaters so far. Second, the rest of the division had made steady progress and improvements. I honestly like Joe Banner and he's been building the Jets to be a QB away. Belicheck is still a strong defensive coach. The Dolphins threw big resources to help Tua and it shows Finally, they are playing unsustainably above average. It happens. You mean Douglas for the Jets? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HOUSE Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Because Buffalo lost to the Dolphins and Jets giving both teams extraordinary hope that they could compete Both teams now have big balls Thanks 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, Gugny said: I'm gonna give a slight nod to the NFCE. Collective team records: AFCE: 29-15 NFCE: 32-13 Collective point differential: AFCE: 207 NFCE: 169 I just feel like the Giants and Washington are better than the Jets and Patriots. Niether the giants or Wft would be favored against the patriots 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gugny Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 minutes ago, Chaos said: Niether the giants or Wft would be favored against the patriots I disagree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
C.Biscuit97 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, The Jokeman said: Detroit and Houston might end up being pure garbage as seems like they've been bottom feeders for ages. Detroit “seems” like it’s on the right path. Not sure Campbell is a great cos h but they play hard for him and have some good talent. Also, thanks to the Stafford trade, they might have 2 top 5 picks this year to hopefully get a franchise guy. I always had a soft spot for the Lions and hope they turn it around. Houston is a dumpster fire however. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WhitewalkerInPhilly Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 50 minutes ago, Big Turk said: You mean Douglas for the Jets? Doi, yes. Both are Philly talent scouts, just that Douglas took the GM offer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 29, 2022 Author Share Posted November 29, 2022 29 minutes ago, C.Biscuit97 said: Detroit “seems” like it’s on the right path. Not sure Campbell is a great cos h but they play hard for him and have some good talent. Also, thanks to the Stafford trade, they might have 2 top 5 picks this year to hopefully get a franchise guy. I always had a soft spot for the Lions and hope they turn it around. Houston is a dumpster fire however. I like Campbell...by all accounts he is a good man and the players love and respect him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 “Steel sharpens steel” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
716 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 3 hours ago, Gugny said: I'm gonna give a slight nod to the NFCE. Collective team records: AFCE: 29-15 NFCE: 32-13 Collective point differential: AFCE: 207 NFCE: 169 I just feel like the Giants and Washington are better than the Jets and Patriots. I would like to see the strength of schedules between the two tbh before agreeing with you. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
clayboy54 Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 How could this be? I read here that we all suck... except Tua. 🤪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoshAllin Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 This is why I didn't like all the superbowl talk early on, those teams had to bring in guys to compete. But with Allen it I don't think a talk down was possible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 hour ago, 716 said: I would like to see the strength of schedules between the two tbh before agreeing with you. The divisions or nyj/pats vs nyg/was? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
27yanks Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Because of Buffalo's trending upwards everyone else with their 12 1st round picks can only get better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paup 1995MVP Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 4 hours ago, Big Turk said: I don't think so. Both of those teams have negative point differentials, although small. AFC East Schedules have in general been much harder than the NFC East's also. By DVOA, The AFC East features #4(Jets), #7(Bills), #12(Dolphins) and #15(NE) toughest past schedules versus the NFCE at #14(NYG), #19(WAS), #21(DAL) and #29(PHI). So I would find it difficult to think the NFCE would have a better record if they played a similarly difficult schedule. In reality, it might be significantly worse. In terms of future schedule, the AFCE teams face a gauntlet as they face the 2nd(MIA), 4th(NE), 5th(NYJ) and 6th(BUF) hardest schedules from this point on while only the Commanders(7th) in the NFCE face a schedule harder than 14th(NYG) with DAL and PHI facing cupcake schedules. The Eagles have a great O line. Everything on their offense revolves around that. Jalen Hurts looks like a player. And the AJ Brown trade was big for them. The Cowboys look real solid. You gotta love Micah Parsons and Tony Pollard. And the Commanders have turned it around. I am not sure Daniel Jones is leading any team to the playoffs. But the Giants have been much improved under Dabol. The NFL is very competitive this year. We are going to have to bring it each and every week from here on out if we want to be talking Super Bowl come mid to late January. In the AFC all 4 teams in our division could make the playoffs. Baltimore and Cinci in the North. Tennessee in the South. And KC and LAC in the west. 2 of the 9 are not getting in. In the NFC, I think all 4 in the NFC East can make the playoffs. Minnesota in the North. SF and Seattle in the West. And someone in the South. I think SF Philly and Dallas look the best right now in the NFC. And a lot of other teams not mentioned can play well on any given week. Look at the Lions against us. And Jax beating the Ravens on Sunday. Gonna be an exciting next two months in the NFL. Go Bills!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Wiz Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 17 minutes ago, 27yanks said: Because of Buffalo's trending upwards everyone else with their 12 1st round picks can only get better. Can't forget the comp picks NE gets because of both of those things also. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eball Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 5 hours ago, Dan said: The Bills have had a pretty brutal last few weeks - physically and mentally. During the Lions game, at one point late in the game, the sideline reporter even mentioned how the Bills’ bench looked tired (or deflated or quiet or something along that line). To me.. even in the Knox mic’d up video they all appeared to be “going through the motions” for a lot if it. They just seemed wore out (except Ed Oliver). Having a full week to prepare and getting a few guys back this week is huge. They just need to find a way to win, without any more injuries. I feel like if they do that... it’ll be a huge, collective team sigh of relief. Kinda like the worst is behind them type feeing. They’ll have 10 days to rest, get healthier, practice. ..and be set up for a strong final push! I think the Fins and Jets have benefitted a little from an easy schedule this year. They’re improved teams, but are they battle tested and ready for the final push like the Bills are? I don’t think so (as long as we get healthy for it). I really expect to see a fired up, dialed-in Bills team on Thursday night. They know this is when the season truly begins. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beck Water Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Just a note that the NFL has seen similar massive turnarounds before Example in 2010, the NFC West division winner was the 7-9 Seahawks, followed by the 7-9 Rams. 49ers were 6-10, Cardinals 5-11. 2011, 49ers won it and were 13-3, Cardinals broke even, other two teams losing records. 2012, neck and neck 49ers 11-4-1 and Seahawks 11-5 for the Put a good head coach in there, give him some good players and a functional QB, a team turns around fast. And when 1 or 2 teams in a division are good, the gauntlet is smacked down that the other teams have to level-up or spend playoffs on the sofa. (Which just makes the Bills Drought Years all the sadder, actually) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pine Barrens Mafia Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 1 minute ago, Beck Water said: Just a note that the NFL has seen similar massive turnarounds before Example in 2010, the NFC West division winner was the 7-9 Seahawks, followed by the 7-9 Rams. 49ers were 6-10, Cardinals 5-11. 2011, 49ers won it and were 13-3, Cardinals broke even, other two teams losing records. 2012, neck and neck 49ers 11-4-1 and Seahawks 11-5 for the Put a good head coach in there, give him some good players and a functional QB, a team turns around fast. And when 1 or 2 teams in a division are good, the gauntlet is smacked down that the other teams have to level-up or spend playoffs on the sofa. (Which just makes the Bills Drought Years all the sadder, actually) Yay us I'm still chapped that people actually believed it would be good having Tyreek hill in the division Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gjv Posted November 29, 2022 Share Posted November 29, 2022 Not a big secret why AFC EAST has become the best division. Bills are the most complete team in the division and maybe the NFL. Belichick has done what he has done for the past 20 years and built a very competitive team. Other than QB, Joe Douglas has done a fantastic job building a roster for the Jets. And, Chris Grier has surrounded Tua with outstanding talent via free agency. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 The Bills can take the Pats out of that equation on Thursday. They could still potentially make the playoffs w/ a loss - but I wouldn't bet on it w/ the schedule they have to close the season. The Jets will probably end up borderline, as well. They have built a good team w/ quite a bit of talent, and Saleh has really changed the culture - but you can only get so far w/ their QB situation. They'll be more formidable in the years ahead, imo. Miami will end up w/ a WC for sure, but I don't see them taking the division. But yeah - the strength of the division is a surprise. We all expected this from the AFCW. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaos Posted November 30, 2022 Share Posted November 30, 2022 7 hours ago, Gugny said: I disagree. I know people don't love PFF, but their power ratings generally align pretty well with betting lines. This is how they rank the three teams in question. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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