StHustle Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Joe Marino posts a ton of content but his postgame pod for the Bills Lions Thanksgiving game deserves it’s own thread. So many members of the Mafia are upset, confused, and discouraged right now. The way he breaks down exactly what’s going on is masterful and he hits the nail on the head on point after point. One of his firsts points is simply the fact that Josh has had only a few practices for these last 3 games starting with just one limited practice before the Vikings game. How the lack of practice sessions have stunted the ability to get Hines installed in the offense properly. How, despite how none of us are in love with the way the Bills offense or Josh is playing right now, we still rank #2 in the league in average points and yards per game over these last 3 ugly games. He touches on so much more including a lot dealing with the defense and most key players individually. I love his perspective and feel most Bills fans would appreciate this content. 18 2 4 15 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GolfandBills Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice 13 22 9 4 7 1 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoloinOhio Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Thanks I’ll listen in the am for my workout. One of the best bills podcasts for sure. 5 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
boyst Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice This is 100% true even if those excuses are reasonable. We simply need to do better and now that December is going to be upon there is absolutely and positively no room for bull####. One reason I have hope after today falls in line with some of what is eluded to here. Today's game Josh went to McKenzie. He knows McKenzie and played with him longer than any other WR on the team. He had no other choice today than to force it to him and it showed several times. Why he didn't go to Diggs early, I don't know. Why he didn't go to Davis was clear. Davis was blanketed most every route by defenders (I suspect he's been figured out). McKenzie was creating just enough space today to make things work and Josh knew he could trust himself to throw the routes he knows McKenzie is running. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice There is a difference between excuses and legitimate reasons for things. Nobody is saying what other NFL teams care about. It’s rational explanations for why we look how we do and why most gloom and doom posters are overreacting. 12 2 3 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gobills404 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 9 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice An explanation and an excuse are 2 different things 11 1 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StHustle Posted November 25, 2022 Author Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 minute ago, boyst said: This is 100% true even if those excuses are reasonable. We simply need to do better and now that December is going to be upon there is absolutely and positively no room for bull####. One reason I have hope after today falls in line with some of what is eluded to here. Today's game Josh went to McKenzie. He knows McKenzie and played with him longer than any other WR on the team. He had no other choice today than to force it to him and it showed several times. Why he didn't go to Diggs early, I don't know. Why he didn't go to Davis was clear. Davis was blanketed most every route by defenders (I suspect he's been figured out). McKenzie was creating just enough space today to make things work and Josh knew he could trust himself to throw the routes he knows McKenzie is running. You discussing the offense shows you should watch the pod. We’ve had the #2 productive offense over the last 3 games so far. The defense is the issue and you simply can’t expect the Bills to be dominant with all that he makes clear. We are a resilient bunch who has dominated games or been in them til the last drive. All while dealing with major things to overcome. So many Bills fans are behaving like spoiled Pats fans who feel they should dominate every week despite the reality of the circumstances. 11 4 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wvbillsfan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 You can not overstate the lack of practice time this team and specifically Allen has had. We are still putting up points. I’m not worried about the offense. Our defense needs to get right and close out some games. I’m confident they will. Seems like they hit a three or four game stretch every year and then figure it out. I feel pretty good about where we are, providing Miller can come back 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Airseven Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 4 minutes ago, gobills404 said: An explanation and an excuse are 2 different things True, because an explanation accepts a little bit of responsibility. But it’s not an explanation either. Nothing explains the Vikings gaffe, for example. It’s all just meaningless context. 2 4 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bookie Man Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) Sounds like Seth Rogan haha. Marino is quite possibly my favorite Bills listen. Edited November 25, 2022 by ßookie_tech Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CEN-CAL17 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 So in order for Hines to run the ball Josh has to practice? I see things different such as getting away from the running game. Lack of or no ability to have play action. How about a trick play? Um, run Cook on something other than a toss. Double move, pump fake? Not wait until 4th Qtr to get Knox in the game…. I see a lack of creativity. I see WRs consistently running 15 yds down the field, even on 3rd and short. Get Josh under center a few more times a game just to help set up play action and have a different look other than shotgun. They call the QB sweep almost once a game, how about QB sweep action then stop and throw over the top, teams come flying up when they see that… Practice days, injuries etc I get it… sure it makes thing’s tougher. But I just don’t see this offense being to difficult for teams the game plan against. Belichick will be tough next week. Definitely a game we can lose. 3 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wagon127 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 36 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice They won two games during all this. Why do the cares of 31 other teams matter? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Since1981 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Practice time is important to install and operationalize opponent specifics strategy and tactics. People confuse what a week practice is. It’s not wind sprints, it’s installing. I think it explains a slow start, because they are installing “live” 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Franco_92 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 44 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice Most of them are worse than 8-3 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 46 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice In the end you’re correct. And the Bills won 2 straight. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 47 minutes ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice And 25 of those teams would sign up right now to score 30,31 and 28 points while averaging over 400 yards of offense the past 3 games when we have played "like crap" on offense too. I kinda remember the Bills scoring 6 and 15 points in 2 games last year... The sky isn't falling. They for sure can correct some things. They will be fine. At the end of the day, just win the games. Ugly wins are better than pretty losses any day of the week. And twice on Sundays Edited November 25, 2022 by Big Turk 10 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlfaBill Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, Airseven said: True, because an explanation accepts a little bit of responsibility. But it’s not an explanation either. Nothing explains the Vikings gaffe, for example. It’s all just meaningless context. True. You should go over to the Fins board. They’re currently accepting band wagoners 2 1 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 24 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: So in order for Hines to run the ball Josh has to practice? I see things different such as getting away from the running game. Lack of or no ability to have play action. How about a trick play? Um, run Cook on something other than a toss. Double move, pump fake? Not wait until 4th Qtr to get Knox in the game…. I see a lack of creativity. I see WRs consistently running 15 yds down the field, even on 3rd and short. Get Josh under center a few more times a game just to help set up play action and have a different look other than shotgun. They call the QB sweep almost once a game, how about QB sweep action then stop and throw over the top, teams come flying up when they see that… Practice days, injuries etc I get it… sure it makes thing’s tougher. But I just don’t see this offense being to difficult for teams the game plan against. Belichick will be tough next week. Definitely a game we can lose. OK. I guess when they "struggle" and still average 29 points and 400+ yards it's hard for me to want to make wholesale changes. Small things to correct can lead to big result differences. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Joe who? 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
In Summary Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 52 minutes ago, StHustle said: I love his perspective and feel most Bills fans would appreciate this content. It's my new daily listen. No bombast. More about analysis than personal attacks. Does good crossover segments. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Success Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Honestly, they just need some starters back. It's the "injury excuse" - but we're over our quota. Hopefully some of the guys can make it back for the Pats. It would be great to see Hines really break out next game. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PrimeTime101 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 2 minutes ago, Big Turk said: OK. I guess when they "struggle" and still average 29 points and 400+ yards it's hard for me to want to make wholesale changes. Small things to correct can lead to big result differences. League average is 21.6 points a game and 340 yards per game. not bad for a struggling team, but im wondering our average over the last 5 games is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Joe who? Marino. It's right there in the thread title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott7975 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, StHustle said: One of his firsts points is simply the fact that Josh has had only a few practices for these last 3 games starting with just one limited practice before the Vikings game. How the lack of practice sessions have stunted the ability to get Hines installed in the offense properly. How, despite how none of us are in love with the way the Bills offense or Josh is playing right now, we still rank #2 in the league in average points and yards per game over these last 3 ugly games. I been pointing that out here for two weeks now. I guess I dont have a podcast though haha. I love his podcasts. Thanks for posting. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
US Egg Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 3 minutes ago, 2020 Our Year For Sure said: Marino. It's right there in the thread title. Any relationship to Dan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
2020 Our Year For Sure Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 6 minutes ago, I am the egg man said: Any relationship to Dan? Yeah he used to watch him play football. 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John from Riverside Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 49 minutes ago, Airseven said: True, because an explanation accepts a little bit of responsibility. But it’s not an explanation either. Nothing explains the Vikings gaffe, for example. It’s all just meaningless context. The Vikings gaff? you mean that we lost another good team Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Turk Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 13 minutes ago, PrimeTime101 said: League average is 21.6 points a game and 340 yards per game. not bad for a struggling team, but im wondering our average over the last 5 games is. 27.2 points and 386 yards a game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kwai San Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 50 minutes ago, CEN-CAL17 said: They call the QB sweep almost once a game, how about QB sweep action then stop and throw over the top, teams come flying up when they see that… Belichick will be tough next week. Definitely a game we can lose. Your 1st take would be awesome..... Your 2nd take I sadly agree with.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BillsfaninSB Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 The play calling has been bizarre. They are letting the great play be the enemy of the smart play. Run the ball and let the RBs do the work. Take the FG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punching Bag Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 28 minutes ago, Since1981 said: Practice time is important to install and operationalize opponent specifics strategy and tactics. People confuse what a week practice is. It’s not wind sprints, it’s installing. I think it explains a slow start, because they are installing “live” Luckily the defense principles were known to AJ Klein since he played here before since he did not get many practices I believe. I am looking forward to see snap counts of the game. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Generic_Bills_Fan Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice It’s really not excuses to bring these things up when we’re theorizing how future games are going to go. people are assuming the team is going to continue to play mediocre and there’s a lot of reasons why that may not be the case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJS Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 1 hour ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice The Bills have been winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CorkScrewHill Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 hours ago, GolfandBills said: In the end it’s all excuses. 31 other NFL teams don’t care about our injuries or lack of practice Or our pathetic 8-3 record good for second place in the AFC. last year after 13 games we were 7-6 and certainly had less injury issues. Would love to have won the Jets or Vikings games .. but sitting in a very good spot right now 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim Tindale Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 5 hours ago, BadboyBills said: Didn't watch but what I see is we're gutting out wins when we should probably blow these teams out. That being said, I think it makes us more tough and playoff ready. What adversity have the Chiefs faced other than losing Hill? Josh's arm is not 100% at all, maybe 80%. I think we're going to take flight come playoff time. Just my feelings. Hopefully, Von is back by then too. Honestly, the Chiefs have had their fair share of wars themselves. Half their wins have been by three points or less - over a Titans team in OT we blew out, over a Raiders team that has been scuffling all year, and against the under-achieving Chargers twice. The Chiefs also lost to a dysfunctional Colts team in week 3. The Chiefs are hardly dominating and are, in fact, vulnerable, especially with a rash of injuries on offense. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plenzmd1 Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 (edited) 5 hours ago, BadboyBills said: Didn't watch but what I see is we're gutting out wins when we should probably blow these teams out. That being said, I think it makes us more tough and playoff ready. What adversity have the Chiefs faced other than losing Hill? Josh's arm is not 100% at all, maybe 80%. I think we're going to take flight come playoff time. Just my feelings. Hopefully, Von is back by then too. Quick question and not being sarcastic. Have you watched Detroit play much this year? Have you looked at their schedule? that Detroit team is tough, plays balls out 100% if the time, and had been steadily improving , especially on D , the last 5 weeks or so. this was a PHENOMENAL win today, I am shocked to see the negativity on this board. Edited November 25, 2022 by plenzmd1 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dollars 2 donuts Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 hours ago, YoloinOhio said: Thanks I’ll listen in the am for my workout. One of the best bills podcasts for sure. I’m going to get my listen in when I wake up early to make breakfast for the whole family. (you’re not the only one that can humble brag, YOLO. 😂 jk, brother) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JohnBonhamRocks Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 hours ago, I am the egg man said: Joe who? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Not at the table Karlos Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 Josh and the offense has been struggling since before no practices and his injury. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RangerDave Posted November 25, 2022 Share Posted November 25, 2022 7 hours ago, StHustle said: So many Bills fans are behaving like spoiled Pats fans who feel they should dominate every week despite the reality of the circumstances. I place the blame firmly with all those whiners who cried about the Bills not being able to win close games. The Bills are trying to atone for those close losses by taking games down to the wire, instead of their usual MO of just blowing them out by the 3rd quarter. They figure that if they can make their record in close games better, they will make those butt-hurt people happier (until they find something else to complain about.) Personally, I am enjoying being 8-3 with the team we have. I actually like the humans who make up our favortite team and root for them, win or lose. 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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