Terrel Bernard was absolutely abused yesterday

[TwistofFate]

Finally got a chance to review the game from yesterday with a clear head and the most blatant problem on defense was Bernard.  He was attacked and abused by the Jets all day long in both the passing game and run game.

 

He was frequently out of position, over running plays, losing containment and outright missing tackles.  I understand he is a rookie, but my god. 

 

Milano is our best backer by far, pray he's back soon.

[Back2Buff]

I still have no idea why he played over Dodson.  It's not like our 2 LBs are specialized.  The new spots are pretty free flowing.

[Coach Tuesday]

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

[34-78-83]

Bernard was out of position a LOT in the run game. We noticed that as well.

[whorlnut]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

I agree. But I’m not gonna get into that cause certain posters on this board criticize any posts that talk about what could have been picked instead. 

[Roundybout]

Just now, whorlnut said:

I agree. But I’m not gonna get into that cause certain posters on this board criticize any posts that talk about what could have been picked instead. 

 

It's more that you hate every draft pick after one game. 

 

As for Bernard, I don't really care about a third-round rookie's first game. I will choose to evaluate after the season and more experience. 

[Logic]

Just now, Coach Tuesday said:

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

I mean...

Other than the two cornerbacks who have been more than holding their own on the league's number one scoring defense and the fifth round receiver who posted 3 catches for 75 yards and a touchdown in week five and capably returned punts for the first half of the season...

Sure. Not good.

[whorlnut]

Just now, Roundybout said:

 

It's more that you hate every draft pick after one game. 

 

As for Bernard, I don't really care about a third-round rookie's first game. I will choose to evaluate after the season and more experience. 

No…ask anyone…I was opposed to a first round corner just cause we needed one. And I wanted IOL to learn behind Saffold. McD is a master at developing DBs and I didn’t think we needed one in the first when their were other perceived needs on the roster. But…yeah Bernard didn’t play well, but you’re right he’s a rookie. Let’s see what he does going forward. 

[34-78-83]

1 minute ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

I think Cook is starting to look pretty good and it shows with where they are putting him in during game situations. Also, hoping Shakir figures things out pretty quick here, as he's shown a lot of good signs. Elam, having faced lots of #1's has been up and down (couple excellent picks and some tight coverage plus giving up a ton of underneath outs) but his athletic ability and apparent work ethic looks like he'll get there eventually. Benford has played solid yet unspectacular so far. Bernard? ehhh. we'll see!

[LABILLBACKER]

We basically played without a LB yesterday.  Bernard did get abused and is not ready. I don't think Dodson or Spector played. Tremaine is a SS. Milano hurt.

[whorlnut]

3 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean...

Other than the two cornerbacks who have been more than holding their own on the league's number one scoring defense and the fifth round receiver who posted 3 catches for 75 yards and a touchdown in week five and capably returned punts for the first half of the season...

Sure. Not good.

Where has Shakir been since?  Imo he needs to take over the slot or at least be more involved, but the coaches are hiding him for some reason. 

[LABILLBACKER]

8 minutes ago, Back2Buff said:

I still have no idea why he played over Dodson.  It's not like our 2 LBs are specialized.  The new spots are pretty free flowing.

Dodson not perfect but he's much better than Bernard. 

[SectionC3]

8 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

 

I’m OK with Elam and Benford is a revelation.  But, otherwise I agree with you.  Cook and Bernard are useless.  The Araiza situation nearly submarined the season.  Shakir has promise, but . . . It doesn’t translate to the field yet.  Spector is a JAG, and Tenuta wasn’t even a JAG.  

[whorlnut]

My problem with Bernard is if they decide to keep edmunds. Milano is under contract. Where does Bernard fit in?  A third round pick should be a starter. 

[BillsShredder83]

2 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

We knew Bernard was going to be the long game. Time will tell.

 

Elam looks like a young stud in the making along either Benford looking like another Dane Jackson. 

 

The next tier is Cook and Shakir. Cook has it, and we knew he'd come along slow, he's on verge of a breakout week.

 

Shakir passes the early eyeball test, and his playing time is ramping up as well. 

 

I don't know what more the the draft class is able to show on a super bowl favorite by week 9. The two that have started have shown a lot, we have 2 more that have barely played and have looked like exactly what you'd expect... a rookie... there's a spark at times, and rookie mistakes you expect at other times.

 

If someone expected big early returns from this draft class, that's their mistake. Nobody should have thought the start of their season would look any different.

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

3 minutes ago, LABILLBACKER said:

Dodson not perfect but he's much better than Bernard. 

Hell I’ve seen people assert he’s better than 49 😂 

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

5 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Where has Shakir been since?  Imo he needs to take over the slot or at least be more involved, but the coaches are hiding him for some reason. 

 

He was open when i saw him - apparently allen did not see him.  

[zow2]

22 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Finally got a chance to review the game from yesterday with a clear head and the most blatant problem on defense was Bernard.  He was attacked and abused by the Jets all day long in both the passing game and run game.

 

He was frequently out of position, over running plays, losing containment and outright missing tackles.  I understand he is a rookie, but my god. 

 

Milano is our best backer by far, pray he's back soon.

 

Jeez he sounds like the Malik Willis of linebackers.  If that’s the case i’d expect the Bills to shore up that position this week.

[LabattBlue]

16 minutes ago, 34-78-83 said:

Bernard was out of position a LOT in the run game. We noticed that as well.

Is he being mentored by Edmunds in this regard? 😂

[BillsShredder83]

6 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I’m OK with Elam and Benford is a revelation.  But, otherwise I agree with you.  Cook and Bernard are useless.  The Araiza situation nearly submarined the season.  Shakir has promise, but . . . It doesn’t translate to the field yet.  Spector is a JAG, and Tenuta wasn’t even a JAG.  

"Cook is useless." Watch the games and not the stat sheet. If you can't see what he brings to the table, and what his skillset can and will do for this offense, you can't be helped. Crazy.

 

I can get on board with the 'we should've drafted x' to an extent. But to write off 2 rookies as worthless is stupid. Which 2nd and 3rd rounders from the bottom of the draft order are making big contributions to their team?

[Logic]

10 minutes ago, SectionC3 said:

 

I’m OK with Elam and Benford is a revelation.  But, otherwise I agree with you.  Cook and Bernard are useless.  The Araiza situation nearly submarined the season.  Shakir has promise, but . . . It doesn’t translate to the field yet.  Spector is a JAG, and Tenuta wasn’t even a JAG.  

Did you hurt your back stretching on this one?
 

[TwistofFate]

7 minutes ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

He was open when i saw him - apparently allen did not see him.  

He almost threw a pick throwing it right past him.  If he hit Shakir, first down and more.  Bad miss by Josh on that one.

[Bleeding Bills Blue]

1 minute ago, TwistofFate said:

He almost threw a pick throwing it right past him.  If he hit Shakir, first down and more.  Bad miss by Josh on that one.

 

I thought it was just a terrible throw but no... just eyes glued to diggs.  

[TwistofFate]

1 minute ago, Bleeding Bills Blue said:

 

I thought it was just a terrible throw but no... just eyes glued to diggs.  

Absolutely...it's nice to look for diggs, but man...he had Shakir for an easy 1st down at a critical point in the game.

[HOUSE]

35 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Finally got a chance to review the game from yesterday with a clear head and the most blatant problem on defense was Bernard.  He was attacked and abused by the Jets all day long in both the passing game and run game.

 

He was frequently out of position, over running plays, losing containment and outright missing tackles.  I understand he is a rookie, but my god. 

 

Milano is our best backer by far, pray he's back soon.

Enter Baylon Spector

[Brianmoorman4jesus]

Dodson is good. Every chance he’s gotten to play he’s impressed me. I don’t know why he never sees the field 

[Coach Tuesday]

29 minutes ago, Logic said:

I mean...

Other than the two cornerbacks who have been more than holding their own on the league's number one scoring defense and the fifth round receiver who posted 3 catches for 75 yards and a touchdown in week five and capably returned punts for the first half of the season...

Sure. Not good.

 

Elam may be the easiest CB to throw against in the league right now.  He's giving up easy completions at will.  He may well be good someday but right now he's not playing well.

[Royale with Cheese]

21 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

My problem with Bernard is if they decide to keep edmunds. Milano is under contract. Where does Bernard fit in?  A third round pick should be a starter. 

3rd round picks start 30% of the time in the league.  They are more than likely not to start, not just the Bills.

[Dablitzkrieg]

25 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Where has Shakir been since?  Imo he needs to take over the slot or at least be more involved, but the coaches are hiding him for some reason. 

He only got 9 snaps

[No_Matter_What]

39 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

Finally got a chance to review the game from yesterday with a clear head and the most blatant problem on defense was Bernard.  He was attacked and abused by the Jets all day long in both the passing game and run game.

 

He was frequently out of position, over running plays, losing containment and outright missing tackles.  I understand he is a rookie, but my god. 

 

Milano is our best backer by far, pray he's back soon.

I am doing the same right now and I noticed the same. I am on the first half but he looks lost and out of position.

 

Granted I have no idea what his position should be

[Dablitzkrieg]

1 minute ago, Brianmoorman4jesus said:

Dodson is good. Every chance he’s gotten to play he’s impressed me. I don’t know why he never sees the field 

Because he is good against the run and poor in coverage.   You know the Bills don't care about teams running on them right?

[Ralonzo]

14 minutes ago, zow2 said:

 

Jeez he sounds like the Malik Willis of linebackers.  If that’s the case i’d expect the Bills to shore up that position this week.

 

Malik Willis has some plus measurables that at least can be projected into something, someday.

 

Bernard is small, and slow. Like a tiny Kelvin Sheppard. Never saw the fit. His process-speak must be elite.

[MarkyMannn]

18 minutes ago, LabattBlue said:

Is he being mentored by Edmunds in this regard? 😂

OK I'm a fan of Edmunds, but this remark is GOLD😁

[John from Riverside]

38 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

The 2022 draft has not had good early returns.

We are starting to rookie corners out of that draft in the number one overall defense in the NFL I think it’s just fine

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Elam may be the easiest CB to throw against in the league right now.  He's giving up easy completions at will.  He may well be good someday but right now he's not playing well.

The numbers don’t agree with you

[Victory Formation]

He’s too small.. He needs a few years in a professional S&C program.

[Logic]

6 minutes ago, Coach Tuesday said:

 

Elam may be the easiest CB to throw against in the league right now.  He's giving up easy completions at will.  He may well be good someday but right now he's not playing well.

I disagree. I'm not saying that he's elite, but your comment seems like wild exaggeration to me.

It's also hard to imagine that the Bills could field the #1 scoring defense in the league through nine weeks while giving so much playing time to a corner who is playing as badly as you describe.

Sure seems like if they had "the easiest CB to throw against in the league" on the field as much as Elam is, they wouldn't be giving up just 14 points a game.

[Augie]

9 minutes ago, Royale with Cheese said:

3rd round picks start 30% of the time in the league.  They are more than likely not to start, not just the Bills.

 

And he was almost a 4th rounder, or in that general neighborhood. Good teams have more good players, and it’s tougher to find an opening. It’s just how it works. In the bad old days it was easier for a guy to come in and make an immediate impact. 

[Ed_Formerly_of_Roch]

40 minutes ago, Roundybout said:

 

It's more that you hate every draft pick after one game. 

 

As for Bernard, I don't really care about a third-round rookie's first game. I will choose to evaluate after the season and more experience. 

 

Seem to recall him being somewhat undersized but smart player.  That type of player will take some time, so not surprised he struggled.

 

 

38 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

No…ask anyone…I was opposed to a first round corner just cause we needed one. And I wanted IOL to learn behind Saffold. McD is a master at developing DBs and I didn’t think we needed one in the first when their were other perceived needs on the roster. But…yeah Bernard didn’t play well, but you’re right he’s a rookie. Let’s see what he does going forward. 

 

4 of their 5 starting O-lineman from last season were brought back and they signed Stafford.  That was on an offense that once they plugged Bates in was rolling over every one the end of last season and in the playoffs.  The biggest reason the Bills weren't in the SB last season was because of their defense so putting resources was not the wrong move.  Now they just lost one of their starting CB's

 

To argue that any position was more needed than CB was a stretch.  Most everything you read too says it's not smart to draft interior lineman in 1st round, only draft tackles there.  They had one good one there in Dawkins.  Brown has looked good when he's been healthy whicgh hasn't been that much this year.  But kind of tough to predict  who will or won't get hurt and draft based o nthat.

 

35 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

Where has Shakir been since?  Imo he needs to take over the slot or at least be more involved, but the coaches are hiding him for some reason. 

 

Yup another 5th rounder not in the Pro Bowl!  He's terrible, a bust.

 

I do actually agree based on what McKenzie has shown they should make the switch, but arguing that he should have been playing all along when only a 5th rounder, again is a big stretch.

 

 

32 minutes ago, whorlnut said:

My problem with Bernard is if they decide to keep edmunds. Milano is under contract. Where does Bernard fit in?  A third round pick should be a starter. 

 

Start in place of who?? Edmunds, Milano?? 

 

So you're arguing that 3rd rounder should start even though that would mean benching a proven starter.  Meanwhile we had an opening a CB for a starter, but shouldn't have drafted a CB in 1st round??  This makes perfect sense!

[TwistofFate]

42 minutes ago, HOUSE said:

Enter Baylon Spector

I don't think it could be any worse.

[whorlnut]

14 minutes ago, Ed_Formerly_of_Roch said:

 

Seem to recall him being somewhat undersized but smart player.  That type of player will take some time, so not surprised he struggled.

 

 

 

4 of their 5 starting O-lineman from last season were brought back and they signed Stafford.  That was on an offense that once they plugged Bates in was rolling over every one the end of last season and in the playoffs.  The biggest reason the Bills weren't in the SB last season was because of their defense so putting resources was not the wrong move.  Now they just lost one of their starting CB's

 

To argue that any position was more needed than CB was a stretch.  Most everything you read too says it's not smart to draft interior lineman in 1st round, only draft tackles there.  They had one good one there in Dawkins.  Brown has looked good when he's been healthy whicgh hasn't been that much this year.  But kind of tough to predict  who will or won't get hurt and draft based o nthat.

 

 

Yup another 5th rounder not in the Pro Bowl!  He's terrible, a bust.

 

I do actually agree based on what McKenzie has shown they should make the switch, but arguing that he should have been playing all along when only a 5th rounder, again is a big stretch.

 

 

 

Start in place of who?? Edmunds, Milano?? 

 

So you're arguing that 3rd rounder should start even though that would mean benching a proven starter.  Meanwhile we had an opening a CB for a starter, but shouldn't have drafted a CB in 1st round??  This makes perfect sense!

Where did I say anything bad about Shakir?  My argument is he needs to play more.

 

My point on Bernard is that we could gone another route like IOL or offensive weapon. Instead we took a small LB. As far as corner…I think I mentioned it in my post that McD is great at developing corners and could have waited. We didn’t “need” to take one in the first like so many wanted. Another argument I had was the staffs belief in Dane Jackson. He very well could start opposite Tre when he comes back.