Josh Allen's waning confidence and mental yips

[Estro]

Teams,are going to have bad days, and today was a terrible day, so the loss doesn't devastate me as m7ch as the way Josh Allen has played over the last game and a half.

 

He seems lost, like rookie season loss. He's rarely hitting his bckfoot and letting it rip, which indicates he's either not see the field well or he's lacking confidence to just let it rip.

 

This post is to ask does anyone on this board have any insight into Allen's waning mental confidence. I remember earlier in his career himtakjing about actually sitting down with some type of psychologist orcoach who helped him with his confidence and how important that is to QBing. I believe he first mentioned it in the offseason after the Houston playoff loss.

 

Today it just looked like he had 0 confidence in himself and he looked he was in his head all day.  Really concerning that a major case of mental yips might be entering the picture right at the sane time he'll be dealing with an elbow injury.

 

It's my belief that Allen sometimes deals with some type of mental panic attacks (see his interview on Bussin with the Boys), where he needs to take a break mid interview and actually exits the bus before coming back to finish up from this past offseason.  I think things can go sideways fast with Allen when things go south, and it's a problem

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Estro said:

Teams,are going to have bad days, and today was a terrible day, so the loss doesn't devastate me as m7ch as the way Josh Allen has played over the last game and a half.

 

He seems lost, like rookie season loss. He's rarely hitting his bckfoot and letting it rip, which indicates he's either not see the field well or he's lacking confidence to just let it rip.

 

This post is to ask does anyone on this board have any insight into Allen's waning mental confidence. I remember earlier in his career himtakjing about actually sitting down with some type of psychologist orcoach who helped him with his confidence and how important that is to QBing. I believe he first mentioned it in the offseason after the Houston playoff loss.

 

Today it just looked like he had 0 confidence in himself and he looked he was in his head all day.  Really concerning that a major case of mental yips might be entering the picture right at the sane time he'll be dealing with an elbow injury.

 

It's my belief that Allen sometimes deals with some type of mental panic attacks (see his interview on Bussin with the Boys), where he needs to take a break mid interview and actually exits the bus before coming back to finish up from this past offseason.  I think things can go sideways fast with Allen when things go south, and it's a problem

Hes shows a lot of emotion in his face. 
 

Blank stare, heavy breathing Allen isn’t ideal. 

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

2 minutes ago, Estro said:

Teams,are going to have bad days, and today was a terrible day, so the loss doesn't devastate me as m7ch as the way Josh Allen has played over the last game and a half.

 

He seems lost, like rookie season loss. He's rarely hitting his bckfoot and letting it rip, which indicates he's either not see the field well or he's lacking confidence to just let it rip.

 

This post is to ask does anyone on this board have any insight into Allen's waning mental confidence. I remember earlier in his career himtakjing about actually sitting down with some type of psychologist orcoach who helped him with his confidence and how important that is to QBing. I believe he first mentioned it in the offseason after the Houston playoff loss.

 

Today it just looked like he had 0 confidence in himself and he looked he was in his head all day.  Really concerning that a major case of mental yips might be entering the picture right at the sane time he'll be dealing with an elbow injury.

 

It's my belief that Allen sometimes deals with some type of mental panic attacks (see his interview on Bussin with the Boys), where he needs to take a break mid interview and actually exits the bus before coming back to finish up from this past offseason.  I think things can go sideways fast with Allen when things go south, and it's a problem

Someone elsewhere thinks he's secretly concussed 

[Big Turk]

I think Allen has got to a point where things have been so easy for him for so long that he kind of has brought this on himself. He doesn't make adjustments when the OLine isn't doing as well, he still wants to push the ball downfield and thinks he can just run around and make up for it.

 

We needed the Rams game Josh Allen today and he wanted to be the Steelers game Josh Allen.

Edited November 7, 2022 by Big Turk

[LeGOATski]

Confusion, yes.

 

I don't see any lack of confidence. The guy is super confident, sometimes almost  too confident in his arm.

 

Arm arrogance anyone?

[SoCal Deek]

Or…he could just throw it somewhere CLOSE to the open receivers. 

[ToGoGo]

I think fans are starting to project their own lack of confidence onto Allen. 

 

My suggestion? Go root for another team. Any team Carson Wentz is on, preferably. 

[SCBills]

1 minute ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Someone elsewhere thinks he's secretly concussed 

He shook his head while on all fours after a hit early in the game.   I remember immediately being worried the refs would catch that. 
 

Got hit hard on a potential knockout hit against Green Bay. 
 

I wouldn’t dismiss that theory. 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, Big Turk said:

I think Allen has got to a point where things have been so easy for him for so long that he kind of has brought this on himself. He doesn't make adjustments when the OLine isn't doing as well, he still wants to push the ball downfield and thinks he can just run around and make up for it.

The oddest thing is he had appeared to get out of that - Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Ravens… take what’s given, dink and dunk, maintain possession. Then, in the fourth quarter of the Packers and today he seems to have regressed into being locked into one read and making big plays.

[Alphadawg7]

Or...we just played 2 of the better secondaries in the NFL in back to back weeks.  Jets D is one of the best units in the NFL right now with very good corners and a nasty front 7.

 

So maybe we shouldn't panic just yet...defenders get paid to make plays too.  Josh had an off game, the whole offense was out of sync again in the 2nd half.  

 

We lost to the Jags last year and then set NFL playoff records on offense.  

[Pine Barrens Mafia]

Just now, SCBills said:

He shook his head while on all fours after a hit early in the game.   I remember immediately being worried the refs would catch that. 
 

Got hit hard on a potential knockout hit against Green Bay. 
 

I wouldn’t dismiss that theory. 

Me either. He looks like Nathan Peterman 

Just now, Alphadawg7 said:

Or...we just played 2 of the better secondaries in the NFL in back to back weeks.  Jets D is one of the best units in the NFL right now with very good corners and a nasty front 7.

 

So maybe we shouldn't panic just yet...defenders get paid to make plays too.  Josh had an off game, the whole offense was out of sync again in the 2nd half.  

 

We lost to the Jags last year and then set NFL playoff records on offense.  

Josh wasn't just bad.

 

The WR were even worse 

[Big Turk]

Just now, UKBillFan said:

The oddest thing is he had appeared to get out of that - Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Ravens… take what’s given, dink and dunk, maintain possession. Then, in the fourth quarter of the Packers and today he seems to have regressed into being locked into one read and making big plays.

 

Yeah, it's really inexplicable...like the few big plays early in those games have deterred him from wanting to take the short throws. It's like he is like "they'll be there all game" and he refuses to take the easy throws he is being given.

[strive_for_five_guy]

The guy came into the week the heavy favorite for league MVP, throws a couple boneheaded INTs, is under attack all day when he’s lucky enough to even have the ball.  He’s going to rebound just fine. Did he look to have a lack of confidence in his two TD runs?

[TwistofFate]

It's the mustache 

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, strive_for_five_guy said:

The guy came into the week the heavy favorite for league MVP, throws a couple boneheaded INTs, is under attack all day when he’s lucky enough to even have the ball.  He’s going to rebound just fine. Did he look to have a lack of confidence in his two TD runs?

Man… I have confidence he’s going to get back to his elite ways but these last six quarters have been some of the worst QB’ing I’ve seen .. never mind from an elite QB. 
 

Thankfully, just like the run Defense issues, we’ve seen this get corrected. (Jax last year)

 

Edited November 7, 2022 by SCBills

[Mango]

Are we sure these are mental yips?

 

Didn't Josh say that for the first time he didn’t do anything this offseason other than let his body rest?

 

If that’s the case, should we be shocked at consistency if at the mid-way point? Especially for a QB that has had to work so hard to change mechanics in the relatively recent past? 

[UKBillFan]

Just now, SCBills said:

Man… I have confidence he’s going to get back to his elite ways but these last six quarters have been some of the worst QB’ing I’ve seen .. never mind from an elite QB. 

If it was Tua we’d be saying he’s reverting to type. If it was Mac Jones we’d be laughing our heads off. If it was Wilson we’d be stating it was no surprise. But as it’s Josh…

[mrags]

14 minutes ago, Pine Barrens Mafia said:

Someone elsewhere thinks he's secretly concussed 

I think he was against the packers. He took a couple hard hits running last week. Ever since then he’s looked off big time. Today was more of the same. Bad decisions, bad throws, etc 

[mrags]

13 minutes ago, Alphadawg7 said:

Or...we just played 2 of the better secondaries in the NFL in back to back weeks.  Jets D is one of the best units in the NFL right now with very good corners and a nasty front 7.

 

So maybe we shouldn't panic just yet...defenders get paid to make plays too.  Josh had an off game, the whole offense was out of sync again in the 2nd half.  

 

We lost to the Jags last year and then set NFL playoff records on offense.  

Nobody is saying they can’t or wont fix it. But they are definitely off. Allen definitely looks BAD. The worst he’s looked since about year 2 

[UKBillFan]

1 minute ago, Gene1973 said:

This is why so many say Mahomes is better. When Allen is bad he's really bad. Mahomes doesn't do this on an annual basis...

Josh and Mahomes have similar ceilings but the latter’s floor is much higher. I thought Josh had closed the difference in terms of the floor but he hasn’t. 

[Over 29 years of fanhood]

Ehh… I think he has been bumping his own adrenaline with smelling salts and puking before games.. it’s wearing off. 
 

he’s going to have to learn to play the game without it. Or fade away 

[Simon]

3 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

This is why so many say Mahomes is better. When Allen is bad he's really bad. Mahomes doesn't do this on an annual basis...

 

Earlier in the year, Mahomes threw at 57% for 260yrds with 1TD and 1 INT in a 20-17 loss against a far worse Colts team.

Quit making crap up to add to your already annoying crusade. 

[DapperCam]

I think it’s more GB and NYJ got a ton of pressure on him and have the secondary to still have receivers blanketed. GB had the #1 pass D going into last week, and Jets have to be top 10 I would think.

 

I saw a graphic last week that it was the most pressured he’d been all year. Jets got pressure without blitzing which makes even the best QBs look bad (see Brady in the SB vs the Giants). I hope he isn’t concussed…

[strive_for_five_guy]

14 minutes ago, SCBills said:

Man… I have confidence he’s going to get back to his elite ways but these last six quarters have been some of the worst QB’ing I’ve seen .. never mind from an elite QB. 

The INTs are definitely some of Josh’s worst, although I remember much darker QB days than today.  Aside from the INTs, the pass protection seemed to be non-existent today, WRs were struggling to get open, and he had just about a 14 minute stretch today when his Defense couldn’t get him the ball back.  They all need to pick it up moving forward.

[UKBillFan]

2 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Earlier in the year, Mahomes threw at 57% for 260yrds with 1TD and 1 INT in a 20-17 loss against a far worse Colts team.

Quit making crap up to add to your already annoying crusade. 

Though the following week he threw three touchdowns against the Bucs. Josh looked very shaky in the fourth quarter against the Packers and compounded it at the Jets with very similar issues.

 

I wouldn’t swap Josh for Mahomes, as good as the latter is, but these games crop up more often for him than Mahomes in general.

 

And I really hope I have just jinxed Mahomes for tonight.

[Brand J]

Chiefs fans are loving how this loss looks for the Bills. Predictably they’re saying Allen is nowhere near Pat’s level. To me, Mahomie is far more consistent on a game to game basis, whereas when Allen is on, he’s at least Mahomes’s equal when Mahomes has his A+ game working.
 

The QB I saw today play for the Bills, I haven’t seen in quite some time. It’d be different if he was under duress play after play, but he often had time and was just missing open receivers, either through bad reads or bad throws. Hopefully he’s just as hungry and committed to the game now as he was during his late season/playoff surge and the beginning of this year.
 

The Super Bowl is out of question if he continues to play the way he did today.

[UKBillFan]

Just now, JayBaller10 said:

Chiefs fans are loving how this loss looks for the Bills. Predictably they’re saying Allen is nowhere near Pat’s level. To me, Mahomie is far more consistent on a game to game basis, whereas when Allen is on, he’s at least Mahomes’s equal when Mahomes has his A+ game working.
 

The QB I saw today play for the Bills, I haven’t seen in quite some time. It’d be different if he was under duress play after play, but he often had time and was just missing open receivers, either through bad reads or bad throws. Hopefully he’s just as hungry and committed to the game now as he was during his late season/playoff surge and the beginning of this year.
 

The Super Bowl is out of question if he continues to play the way he did today.

The post season is out of the question if he continues to play the way he did today.

[dorquemada]

1 minute ago, UKBillFan said:

The post season is out of the question if he continues to play the way he did today.

 

0-2 in the division and a collapsing run D isn't going to get it done

[SCBills]

4 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

Though the following week he threw three touchdowns against the Bucs. Josh looked very shaky in the fourth quarter against the Packers and compounded it at the Jets with very similar issues.

 

I wouldn’t swap Josh for Mahomes, as good as the latter is, but these games crop up more often for him than Mahomes in general.

 

And I really hope I have just jinxed Mahomes for tonight.

Re: Allen/Mahomes

 

Mahomes is more consistently good/great with an elite level only Allen can match

 

Allen has more ups and downs in the regular season, but his ceiling is literally unstoppable - beyond what any other QB is capable of 

[Bferra13]

34 minutes ago, ToGoGo said:

I think fans are starting to project their own lack of confidence onto Allen. 

 

My suggestion? Go root for another team. Any team Carson Wentz is on, preferably. 

This is ridiculous. We all love Josh. Allen is the first to admit the game was on him. There's some questions there that are unanswered on what is going on with his decision making though no doubt.

[Malazan]

32 minutes ago, UKBillFan said:

The oddest thing is he had appeared to get out of that - Rams, Titans, Chiefs, Ravens… take what’s given, dink and dunk, maintain possession. Then, in the fourth quarter of the Packers and today he seems to have regressed into being locked into one read and making big plays.

 

This seems to be the problem and something I worried about with Dorsey. They're both guys that want to hit the big play over and over. They got rolling with big plays and they seem to be trying to hit it at least once every 2-3 downs. Since they've ignored the run game.. and Josh's passes on short throws tend to be 'off' forcing the catcher to take time to catch them.. that's not an effective replacement for the running game. 

 

In addition, Allen seems to not be throwing with touch and gunning passes. It feels like he's trying way, way too hard. 

[WyoAZBillfan]

22 minutes ago, Gene1973 said:

This is why so many say Mahomes is better. When Allen is bad he's really bad. Mahomes doesn't do this on an annual basis...

Did you watch second half of championship game last year, or even first match up with Bills? C’mon your reaching.

[hemma]

I wonder if he gives Palmer a call.  It’s possible he’s made a very small change that is screwing up his release.

 

Also, I would think ‘corrections’ are part of Brady’s job description.

[WyoAZBillfan]

Calling all residents psychologists   (fu autocorrect)…🤦🏼‍♂️It’s a game… get real enjoy the ride and stop trying to be Dr. Phil. Worst topic/title ever. 

Edited November 7, 2022 by WyoAZBillfan

[Dr.Sack]

I watch Brady throw 59 passes and not get picked once. We need receivers with the courage to run 3 yard routes average 6 yards per catch and absorb hits. Eventually the defense breaks. 

[Big Blitz]

38 minutes ago, SCBills said:

He shook his head while on all fours after a hit early in the game.   I remember immediately being worried the refs would catch that. 
 

Got hit hard on a potential knockout hit against Green Bay. 
 

I wouldn’t dismiss that theory. 

 

Wonder how much of it is just these guys worried about getting hit - go a tad woozy - and you’re out this game and the next one because Miami.  

[Turbo44]

43 minutes ago, Estro said:

Teams,are going to have bad days, and today was a terrible day, so the loss doesn't devastate me as m7ch as the way Josh Allen has played over the last game and a half.

 

He seems lost, like rookie season loss. He's rarely hitting his bckfoot and letting it rip, which indicates he's either not see the field well or he's lacking confidence to just let it rip.

 

This post is to ask does anyone on this board have any insight into Allen's waning mental confidence. I remember earlier in his career himtakjing about actually sitting down with some type of psychologist orcoach who helped him with his confidence and how important that is to QBing. I believe he first mentioned it in the offseason after the Houston playoff loss.

 

Today it just looked like he had 0 confidence in himself and he looked he was in his head all day.  Really concerning that a major case of mental yips might be entering the picture right at the sane time he'll be dealing with an elbow injury.

 

It's my belief that Allen sometimes deals with some type of mental panic attacks (see his interview on Bussin with the Boys), where he needs to take a break mid interview and actually exits the bus before coming back to finish up from this past offseason.  I think things can go sideways fast with Allen when things go south, and it's a problem

Yes it's a well know syndrome called Quissenberydropitis  - It's brought on by a turnstile RT combined with dropped passes.  Move on...

[Riverboat Ritchie]

31 minutes ago, TwistofFate said:

It's the mustache 

Rico f’n mustache needs to go and a few less Tostito commercials too. I kinda think, just like the fans, the team wants to fast forward to January.  Coaches have to get them out of this funk. I really wish we had a much later bye week. 

[JohnNord]

23 minutes ago, Simon said:

 

Earlier in the year, Mahomes threw at 57% for 260yrds with 1TD and 1 INT in a 20-17 loss against a far worse Colts team.

Quit making crap up to add to your already annoying crusade. 

Hell yeah!

[Success]

It's overreaction Sunday. He's in a mini-swoon.  A VERY mini-swoon.  6 quarters.

 

But, if I had to guess:  I think the coaches were thinking like me, and some other fans. We're rolling - and the only thing that can derail us is if JA gets injured. I think they are over-coaching him, and he's thinking too much.

 

It has caused me to re-evaluate my own position.  Josh has to be Josh.  Let him play the game the way he wants to play the game.  He's at his best that way.